My concern also, the reason I want to install a remote filter.
TBucket 200-4R Transmission Project
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JohnHancock
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Don’t forget to flush the cooler.
T-Test
solid fixture here in the forum
Some transmission shops have convertor flushing machines and you can always drill and tap with a 1/8 pipe plug to drain and flush yourself, on the edge of the weld about 45# so it won't interfere with the flex plate.
I just called the largest trans shop in OKC (Bluementhal's) and they can't flush it, but they can
cut it open and clean it out for $100. If they have to rebuild it, then its $300. That's about half
of a new converter and I wouldn't mind increasing the stall by another 200-300 rpm. It's a
gamble either way!
Loves302Chevy
"One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."
Rick, believe me I'm the king of getting multiple lives out of things that others would just throw away and buy new. I get it.
That's why some things take me "forever" to get done. And then sometimes I put in "all that work" and time and money and
still don't get the result I wanted.
This might be one of those cases for you. I hope not.
I hope you can save it. Only you can decide at what cost.
It will be even sweeter if you can prove us all wrong in the end.
That's why some things take me "forever" to get done. And then sometimes I put in "all that work" and time and money and
still don't get the result I wanted.
This might be one of those cases for you. I hope not.
I hope you can save it. Only you can decide at what cost.
It will be even sweeter if you can prove us all wrong in the end.
T-Test
solid fixture here in the forum
I just called the largest trans shop in OKC (Bluementhal's) and they can't flush it, but they can
cut it open and clean it out for $100. If they have to rebuild it, then its $300. That's about half
of a new converter and I wouldn't mind increasing the stall by another 200-300 rpm. It's a
gamble either way!
Of course they had rather make more money. Can't or won't in this case. But in your case you should have it rebuilt or replaced because of the heat and damage done to the transmission.
At what cost do you put on another failure. It's just money and it cost a lot to have the fun you do with your Bucket.
By the way, the reason I bought a $3000.00 mig setup is because a guy wanted $75.00 just to crank up his welder to do a pin hole fix for me in aluminum. Dumb,
or just great to not have to depend on someone else.
Always had the best when under contract for the Army and didn't have all at home. Now I do.
yeah even if you don,t constantly use some particular tool ,i t tends to make you feel a good deal better knowing you have it close at hand and easy to use,
mostly because spending hours running out to some local machine or welding shop,
only to find they can,t or won,t get too the job for days, and will charge you 10-25 times what the the materials alone cost to do a 1/2 ass job,
or do the job completely wrong or totally ruin a valuable part, that you could have easily modified or repaired, and when they finally do,
get around to doing the job, and you see the piss poor, and expensive results, it tends to spike your blood pressure and makes many of us severely frustrated.
especially when you know exactly what was required, how to do the job correctly and gave them detailed written and verbal instructions, and you know you could do the job far better.
I remember dropping off a set of expensive ported aluminum cylinder heads some minimum ware low I.Q. flunky at one machine shop placed in a caustic soda bath to de-grease after I left,
the result was totally useless heads, and a long expensive legal battle that resulted in my getting two stock bare heads as replacements... I was out easily $1000 plus
related
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/milling-machine-related.4231/#post-33023
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-t-do-stupid-stuff-get-decent-equipment.1669/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/most-versital-shop-welder.1594/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ese-eastwood-multi-process-welders-yet.14349/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...aulic-press-of-course-you-do.2735/#post-72690
mostly because spending hours running out to some local machine or welding shop,
only to find they can,t or won,t get too the job for days, and will charge you 10-25 times what the the materials alone cost to do a 1/2 ass job,
or do the job completely wrong or totally ruin a valuable part, that you could have easily modified or repaired, and when they finally do,
get around to doing the job, and you see the piss poor, and expensive results, it tends to spike your blood pressure and makes many of us severely frustrated.
especially when you know exactly what was required, how to do the job correctly and gave them detailed written and verbal instructions, and you know you could do the job far better.
I remember dropping off a set of expensive ported aluminum cylinder heads some minimum ware low I.Q. flunky at one machine shop placed in a caustic soda bath to de-grease after I left,
the result was totally useless heads, and a long expensive legal battle that resulted in my getting two stock bare heads as replacements... I was out easily $1000 plus
related
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/milling-machine-related.4231/#post-33023
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-t-do-stupid-stuff-get-decent-equipment.1669/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/most-versital-shop-welder.1594/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ese-eastwood-multi-process-welders-yet.14349/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...aulic-press-of-course-you-do.2735/#post-72690
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Found another minor problem that has probably always been there from the beginning. The needle
bearings and axle for the overdrive planet carrier assembly have begun to show signs of pitting. Not
wanting to take any chances, I decided to upgrade to a Billet Carrier. You can't buy new gears or bearing
for them anymore so Dave (Turbo Buick Performance) will be using bearings and gears from a used
carrier. The new overdrive billet carrier won't be here until late next week ....hopefully.
bearings and axle for the overdrive planet carrier assembly have begun to show signs of pitting. Not
wanting to take any chances, I decided to upgrade to a Billet Carrier. You can't buy new gears or bearing
for them anymore so Dave (Turbo Buick Performance) will be using bearings and gears from a used
carrier. The new overdrive billet carrier won't be here until late next week ....hopefully.
JohnHancock
Well-Known Member
Are those the gears YOU let the needle bearings out of?
ME??? What you talkin about Willis?
Ok, I let them out. The pics are not of the same 2 axles, but it the same planetary carrier. All the other
planetary carriers in the trans are swedged on the ends and are not serviceable by most shops.
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Got tired of fighting the springs and trying to use 3 C-Clamps at one time while trying to reach in
and get that pesky snap-ring in/out. Beside I bent the piece that holds the springs. It was time to
have a proper tool for the job, since Amazon would not be here until Monday, why not just make
one.
So I went from this fiasco ......
To this.....
This is made from pieces that I already had, didn't have to cut a single piece. All I did was drill
and tap and few holes.
Luckily I had a spare spring retainer, shown below.
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Got tired of fighting the springs and trying to use 3 C-Clamps at one time while trying to reach in
and get that pesky snap-ring in/out. Beside I bent the piece that holds the springs. It was time to
have a proper tool for the job, since Amazon would not be here until Monday, why not just make
one.
So I went from this fiasco ......
To this.....
This is made from pieces that I already had, didn't have to cut a single piece. All I did was drill
and tap and few holes.
Luckily I had a spare spring retainer, shown below.
.
CONGRATS RICK
I love seeing guys, who show they have some fabrication skills and obviously thinking,skills
of ways to do a job correctly without having to buy over priced commercial tools.
probably why my caliper is getting so much use.
(looking for ways to build my own tools vs shelling out cash I don't have)
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JohnHancock
Well-Known Member
Good job Rick! Saw a tool made with wood 2x4’s on transmissionbench.com to do the same thing! Yours looks more professional! Lol
I got up at 5:00 this morning and redid what we did so now I’m back where we were! Lol
I got up at 5:00 this morning and redid what we did so now I’m back where we were! Lol
Rick??
have you ever considered looking through the local salvage yards for a deal on a second 200 r4 too use for parts,
or even a 4l80 as a potential upgrade?
I think youll find that 200r4 if properly rebuilt, is adequate,after all it did not fail in use, it seems to have failed due to improper linkage adjustments
due to the cars light weight and use of street tires, your not going to be beating the crap out of the transmission ,
as the tires will loose traction before you start shredding parts.
but if it fails you might want to consider a full manual control 4l80,
(besides if you went that route Id be watching intently as I purchased a working 4l80 core too rebuild.)
have you ever considered looking through the local salvage yards for a deal on a second 200 r4 too use for parts,
or even a 4l80 as a potential upgrade?
I think youll find that 200r4 if properly rebuilt, is adequate,after all it did not fail in use, it seems to have failed due to improper linkage adjustments
due to the cars light weight and use of street tires, your not going to be beating the crap out of the transmission ,
as the tires will loose traction before you start shredding parts.
but if it fails you might want to consider a full manual control 4l80,
(besides if you went that route Id be watching intently as I purchased a working 4l80 core too rebuild.)
I'm checking Craigs List all the time, they just don't show up very often. They were last made in 1990.
most local salvage yards have no real clue whats out in the yards as inventory changes constantly,
youll need to get out and look and have a detailed list of the cars/trucks that had the parts you need,
keep in mind some yards specialize in older cars and some just take what comes in and scrap older cars on a constant basis.
and ideally the pictures of those cars and trucks,(makes the potential donors easy to spot)
and a pick-up truck, with, a set of portable tools and a decent floor jack and jack stands and a wheel barrow if you decide to pull the trans,
from the local (U-PICK-IT) salvage yard , just get a written quote BEFORE you go through all the work and try too get them to specify,
it includes the trans, converter , shiftier and drive shaft yoke, at a discount price if you buy the transmission, and need that list of extra parts
youll need to get out and look and have a detailed list of the cars/trucks that had the parts you need,
keep in mind some yards specialize in older cars and some just take what comes in and scrap older cars on a constant basis.
and ideally the pictures of those cars and trucks,(makes the potential donors easy to spot)
and a pick-up truck, with, a set of portable tools and a decent floor jack and jack stands and a wheel barrow if you decide to pull the trans,
from the local (U-PICK-IT) salvage yard , just get a written quote BEFORE you go through all the work and try too get them to specify,
it includes the trans, converter , shiftier and drive shaft yoke, at a discount price if you buy the transmission, and need that list of extra parts
JohnHancock
Well-Known Member
Grumpy, check out “transmissionbench.com”. They offer an 8 hour build video on a thumb drive. It’s about $50 I think and free if you buy a kit for $800 I think. I look at so much stuff I can’t keep all the prices straight!