I can't believe the number of header manufacturers (most of them, in fact) who assume their customer's engines have a driver side dipstick and stock 60s-80s heads. They also have a total lack of understanding that the ports on the popular GM Vortec heads sit up higher than the center line drawn between the bolt holes. You'd think it was still 1984!
If one of these manufacturers offered headers specially designed for passenger side dipstick and Vortec heads, and made them for a few popular cars and trucks, I'd bet they couldn't build them fast enough in their China and Mexico plants.
That means YOU -- Hooker Headers, Hedman Hedders, Doug's Headers, Patriot Exhaust, Pertronix
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/building-custom-headers.961/#post-56850
you do understand that most header manufacturers want to maximize profits and MINIMIZE costs and will not want to have a huge inventory that matches a extensive different variety of applications.the average commercial header has primary tubes that are not equal length or the ideal length to match the max performance potentially available.
now there are OPTIONS
and I figured it out decades ago, IF you want max performance your forced too buy the correct flange and cut and modify existing headers or you build custom headers
any decent shop benefits from having a decent WELDER and a few other tools available
http://www.eastwood.com/tig200-ac-dc-and-versa-cut-60-kit.html?reltype=2&parent_id=5572
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/mig-or-tig.72/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/that-annoying-exhaust-drone.5001/#post-42468
http://www.spdexhaust.com/GM_B.html#
http://www.stahlheaders.com/flanges_main.htm
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-between-shorty-and-full-length-headers.1303/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/building-custom-headers.961/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/calculating-header-design.185/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/dyno-testing-headers.3529/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...atching-headers-to-d-exhaust-port-heads.3113/
http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/c3-muffler.7806/#post-35279
In summary, there are exhaust port differences when comparing the Vortec heads to the older Gen 1 SBC heads. Below is what was learned. Some of this is hard to explain so please bear with me and apologies for the long post. I have headers so that reference is used in the explanation below, but the same should apply to exhaust manifolds:
Exhaust Port/Header Issues
With the Vortec heads mounted on the block, the horizontal and vertical position of the headers will be identical to their position when mounted on conventional Gen 1 heads (if no adjustment to the header mounting position is made – see below). That means there should be (note – should be) no clearance problems or issues with steering columns, heater boxes, etc. if the heads are installed/swapped and the headers just bolted on.
The exhaust ports on Gen 1 heads are centered on the centerline of the exhaust bolt holes. That is, 50% of the Gen 1 exhaust port is above the bolt hole centerline and 50% is below.
On the Vortec heads, approximately 60% of the exhaust port is ABOVE [now stated correctly] the bolt holes’ centerline and 40% is BELOW [now stated correctly] it. This design change apparently aids in improved exhaust flow. But it means that the inside diameter of the header pipe is not centered on the exhaust port if no mounting adjustments are made. See the attached pic. It shows how my header (Dynomax 1 5/8”) aligns with the Vortec exhaust port. The circle labeled ‘Stock’ in the pic represents the inside diameter of the header pipe and how it aligns with the Vortec exhaust port if the headers are installed without modification. The ‘Adjusted’ circle represents the alignment if the header flange bolt holes are modified (slotted) to allow the headers to mount 1/8" [now stated correctly] higher on the heads so as to center the header pipes on the exhaust ports.
I chose to mount the headers without slotting them, so nothing would change regarding header alignment/clearance. This was important as clearance is tight in a couple of spots. Slotting the header flanges to allow them to mount ¼” higher would appear to optimize exhaust flow as the ID of the header pipe would be centered over the exhaust port. How much HP would be gained in doing this is unknown unless dynoed. Likely not significant unless an all-out race car. Also, raising the headers to center them on the exhaust port would cause alignment problems of the header collectors with the rest of the exhaust system. Not something I wanted to address.
Other Important Considerations
Header Gaskets – The Vortec exhaust ports are essentially square with rounded corners (1 5/16” x 1 5/16”, or 1.31” x 1.31”). With the Gen 1 heads, used Mr. Gasket #5917 (1.82”W x 1.50”H). That gasket will not seal at the top on the Vortecs with 1 5/8” (my) headers. Had to use Mr. Gasket #1404 (1.5”H x 1.5”W). The headers sealed without leaking using this gasket. The Dynomax are well made with a protruding lip on each pipe that is larger than the ID of the pipe itself which causes a good seal around a larger exhaust port. Other 1 5/8” headers lacking this lip may not seal at the top (again, look at the pic), and may require 2 different size gaskets for a good seal. 1 3/4” headers should seal with the appropriate gasket.
Head Gaskets – With Gen 1 heads, previously used FelPro 7733PT2 head gaskets (4.125” bore, 039” compressed thickness [8.700cc]) to ensure piston clearance with the .060 overbore. This is a good gasket because it can be removed without anything sticking. No scraping required. However, on the Vortec heads, wanted to reduce the quench area, so used GM# 10105117 (4.100 bore, .028” compressed thickness [5.94 cc]). No retorquing has been required.
Spark Plugs – With the Gen 1 heads, used Delco R45TS. The Vortecs require a longer reach plug for optimum spark, so used Champion RS12YC (.708” reach). With the Champions, if you don’t like the ‘12’ heat range, ‘09-14’ is available.
Intake Manifold – A Vortec style intake is required. Selected the Scoggin Dickey (SD) Vortec TPI Intake #3816 ($399 at the time). The Edelbrock intake is identical to the SD except for the Edelbrock logo, but costs $100 more. I was told by SD that they licensed their design to Edelbrock. Other literature supports this. The top of the TPI plenum (both front and back) is at the same height as previously with the stock TPI manifold. Note that you may need to make a couple of block-off plates if you’ve removed EGR, etc. (Edelbrock includes the plates, perhaps for the extra $100). Aluminum plate (1/8”+) works fine with RTV as a gasket. Also may need a few NPT plugs to fill holes depending you’re your hoses, accessories, etc.
Intake Gaskets – After a lot of research, chose to use the more expensive GM # 89017465 (approx $45 – Wow!). But am told by the round track guys that they are reusable a few times because of the raised rubber/neoprene seals around each port and water jacket. The Vortec intake seems to have more space between the bottom of the manifold and the front and back lifter valley ridges on the block than does the stock TPI manifold. Because of this, plan on using about 1/4”+ thick bead of RTV sealer to seal the front and back of the lifter valley – nothing on the gaskets themselves perhaps except right where they join the lifter valley.
Intake Manifold Bolts & Installation – The old Gen 1 bolts won’t work. They are 3/8”-16 course thread bolts (16 bolts). Rather, must use 5/16”-18 x 1½” course thread bolts (8 bolts). I chose not to use the new GM self-bottoming bolts many recommend. These bolts, along with the intake gaskets above, were apparently released sometime after the release of the Vortec heads to solve all too many coolant leaks due to improper torquing and/or gasket deterioration. Because the fit of the intake is so critical, make four, 2” long threaded studs to aid in manifold installation. Bought 4, 2” long 3/8” bolts from Home Depot and cut off the heads with a Sawsall. Took 5 minutes. Screw the studs a few turns into the front and back holes on each side of each head, install the gaskets, lay down the RTV and carefully drop the intake manifold down using the studs for alignment and press/wiggle it around to seal the RTV. Remove the studs and install the bolts.
Snug all 8 bolts initially to 2 ft lb.{24 in/lb}, then second pass to 8 ft-lb.{96 in/lb} and last pass to 11-12 ft-lb {132-144 in/lb} Below is torque sequence; ‘o’ = bolt location:
7 1 / 3 5
o o / o o
Front / Rear
o o / o o
8 4 / 2 6
Head Bolts – The Vortec heads use the same number and length bolts as used with Gen 1 heads, but sometime later GM introduced a new design with a small flange under the bolt head. Since it’s thought best to not over re-use head bolts, I chose to use the new bolt design (GM complete bolt set #: 12495499). These bolts are pre-coated with a Teflon sealer, but very sparsely. Initially chose to not add additional sealer, but paid the price with a couple of the bottom (shortest) bolts not totally sealing. Fortunately no under-the-rocker-cover bolts leaked. So removed the leaking bolts one at a time, coated with Permatex 80632 Thread Sealant, retorqued and problem solved. Suggest coating all water jacket bolts with this or something similar.
Head Water Jacket Plugs – Like the Gen 1 heads, the Vortecs have a NPT threaded hole in the water jacket. If you have a thermocouple or something else that must install in one of these holes, you need to ensure that the headers will bolt on. Why? Because the top of the NPT hole is very close to the bottom of the header flange on the Vortecs. It’s 1/4+” lower on the Gen 1 heads. This is possibly because the exhaust manifold/headers are designed to mount 1/4” higher on the Vortec heads (again, see the pic). I only needed to use plugs in the holes, but because of the closeness of the top of the plug to the bottom of the header flange, a NPT plug with a hex head could not be used because the hex head is larger than the diameter of the NPT plug itself, and it interfered with the header flange. Naturally grinding was possible; but for me, a better solution was to use NPT plugs with a 4-sided head that is smaller than the diameter of the plug itself. These plugs worked without any grinding.
Head Accessory Bracket Mounting Holes – This was one of the principal reasons the more expensive Bowtie Vortecs were chosen over a cheaper aftermarket clone. If you review various posts and carefully question some of the Vortec clone manufacturers, some will admit that not all accessory brackets will fit without modification because of slightly varying GM bolt hole patterns over the years. Some of the head manufacturers pick one pattern and use it without regard to the others. My serpentine system moved from the Gen 1 heads to the Vortecs perfectly.
Push Rod Guide Plates – The Bowtie Vortecs assume you will be using self-aligning rocker arms. If you don’t, you’ll need pushrod guide plates [CompCams Flat Guide Plates (8) 5/16" #4808-8, approx $17]. Removed screw-in studs, installed guide plates and torqued studs to 35 ft/lb.
Pushrods – Pushrod length was measured with the Vortec heads installed using the old .039” gaskets (granted having an 0.011 compressed thickness difference between the old and new 0.028” gaskets to be used – this difference was determined to be immaterial). The measurements indicated that the stock length Gen 1 push rods were the proper length. The same is not true for some of the cloned Vortec heads. Because of the valves they use, many require at a minimum 0.100 longer pushrods for proper alignment of the valve train.
Head Condition When Received – Chose to order the heads from Jegs in case there was an issue requiring a return. There was. The heads come wrapped in an oil impregnated paper. However, when the heads were received, there were all manner of rust and pit marks on the machined surfaces, as if they had been stored in a very humid area for some time without any oil coating. Took pics, emailed pics to and called Jegs; and to their credit, they immediately issued a pick-up ticket and the heads were returned. Thanks Jegs! But when the second pair arrived (had to wait a few days because they were backordered so the second set was from a different manufacturing lot), they too were similar to the first but not as bad. Some minor filing and sanding took care of everything, but seems strange they would be in that condition. This is not Jegs fault. They buy all GM parts from a local Chevy dealer for resale as required by GM. Clearly the manufacturer is using less than adequate quality control and/or storage techniques. Go figure!
Valve Cover Height - One other issue to be aware of is that the top of the valve covers will sit higher with the Vortecs. How much, don’t know; but estimate 1/2”+. Just forgot to measure this before installation. It’s apparently due to the head’s raised upper lip for better oil control and leak reduction/elimination.
