what AR 15 version would you consider..

Grumpy

The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer.
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If your main goal was to purchase a AR15 ,either a NIB, rifle from some manufacturer, or assemble a collection of NEW sub assemblies, (upper receiver, lower receiver groups or starting from a 80% lower etc.)
I want to build a semi auto 223. target rifle based on the AR 15 design
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built too roughly mil specs ,with ease of parts, replacement,, built for, high accuracy,
and I wanted a rifle with an 8:1 twist, rate, 20"-24" chrome lined barrel for durability,
like the COLT H-BAR version.
yes the shorter carbine version is probably more popular but in my opinion you give up,
a lot of accuracy and range for that reduction in weight and length.

what AR 15 version would you consider..,
the problem I have here is I can,t seem to find any current AR-clones or Colt h-bars for sale that are in new condition, priced under, about $1400.
, which I think is about the reasonable financial limit,
being easily almost triple what you can build a basic AR clone for.
keep in mind the better quality heavy barrel AR15 designs can keep 5 shots in a 25 cent quarter, size coin at 100 yards off a bench rest with decent ammo, thats far more accurate than the rather typical 3"-6" group a typical AK 47 clone will produce, even the standard ar 15 will frequently produce a 1.2"-1.5" group off a solid rest allowing lethal accuracy too noticeably greater ranges than the typical AK, which has the power but not the required accuracy.
in fact in IRAQ so many islamic terrorists were shot in the head that an inquiry was started on the fear that marines were simply executing enemy combatants, but it was found that the only body part the terrorists exposed was their face when shooting at our troops, from behind cover in buildings, hence the higher number of head wounds, simply because, thats the only target the marines had to shoot back at.

http://gunblast.com/AR15_HBARs.htm

http://www.midwayusa.com/general.mvc/index/how-to-build-ar-15-rifle

http://www.ar15-kits.com/

https://www.stagarms.com/model-6-super-varminter/

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...-black-free-floating-handguard-2-rraar0550.do

http://www.ar15gunkits.com/contents/en-us/d1_AR15kits.html

http://blackthorneproducts.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=275

https://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.display/product_id/151/index.cfm

while the 223 rem can be fired in most 5.56 mm rifles the chambers are not identical nor the pressure levels , so firing the higher pressure 5.56 mm ammo in a 223 rem is not always a good idea

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http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...firearms-ar15-5-56-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

https://ar15depot.com/barrels.htm/a...fluted-threaded-bull-1-8-twist-barrel-24-st25

http://www.basspro.com/Bushmaster-Varminter-Rifle/product/14062009563269/
 
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If your main goal was to purchase a AR15 ,either a NIB, rifle from some manufacturer, or assemble a collection of NEW sub assemblies, (upper receiver, lower reciever groups or starting from a 80% lower etc.) to build a semi auto 223. target rifle based on the AR 15 design, built too roughly mil specs ,with ease of parts, replacement, high accuracy, and you wanted a rifle with a 20"-24" chrome lined barrel for durability like the COLT H-BAR version, what AR 15 version would you consider.., the problem I have here is I can,t seem to find any current AR-clones or Colt h-bars for sale that are in new condition unde about $1400 which I think is about the reasonable financial limit being easily almost triple what you can build a basic AR clone for.

You are correct on the costs of Colts and like Mfg rs That is why I use 80% receivers and buy a complete upper assy of various Mfg rs, depending on barrel length and such, as stated in your msg. Lately I have been buying lower parts kits that have the trigger assy in one piece with a 3 1/2 lb trigger pull. Anderson-Bear Creek-LWR- and others have good deals if you look for them.
Yes, it costs a little more to build your own gun, but the no required back ground checks or serial numbers mean more to me. $1000.00 would get you a home built rifle in 223 Wylde that shoots the 556 also with a 24"/28" barrel chrome lined and twisted chrome or nitrided barrel. Any twist you want for target shooting. . Easily do able.

Why buy an off the shelf AR for $519.00 when you can build the same one without paper work or back ground check for $550.00, and the Gvmt not know about it and it's all legal to do and easy as turning brake rotors/drums on a lathe. My milling machine and lathe help me build anything I want or need along with the Millermatic welder w/spool gun and oxy/acetylene outfit as well as bending brakes, planishers, bead rollers and various hydraulic benders.

Am working on a 45 auto now on the milling machine, 87vette81 big
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Home built with 80% lower with name brand on it. Rare!
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.Goose neck hitch that I built to go in my truck. Fuzzy pic.
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Less than $1100.00 in both. Anodized in clear w/ plain aluminum finish. NO Government over watch on these
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Store bought for $600.00. Not my cup'o tea,but the grand daughter wanted it. .
 
can you post several links to where you buy the various component parts,
like lower and upper assemblies, barrel options carrier options receiver styles,
and provide a bit more details, any and all info and links would be helpful here
I know many guys are clueless on the options that are reading through this thread and the info may be enormously helpful.
as with most things theres a big difference in QUALITY between the better name brand components and the cheap import clone parts available so time spent in research is not wasted effort

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...559001254.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn

https://www.slickguns.com/product/anderson-predator-ar-15-66499-499-sh

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/firearms/rifles/ar-lower-receivers.do?sku_instock_b=true

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/top-10-ar-15-rifles-2014/

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/ar-15-barrels-101/

http://daytonatactical.com/

http://www.milzap.com/

http://core15rifles.com/ar-15-lower-parts-kit-99599.html

http://core15rifles.com/parts/lower-parts/internal-parts-kits/

http://mapartsinc.com/shop/?iCat=20&iSubOne=381&iSubTwo=486

http://mapartsinc.com/shop/?iCat=20&iSubOne=381

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...ar-15-lower-receiver-parts-kit-prod26400.aspx

http://www.ar15.com/content/legal/AR15-M16Parts/index.html

https://www.danieldefense.com/lower-receiver-parts-kit-semi-auto.html

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/index.htm

http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-products/80-ar15-lower-receivers.html

http://www.80percentarms.com/

https://www.80-lower.com/

http://www.modulusarms.com/

http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-ar-15-lower-receiver.html
 
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well? I thought at least a few of the members had purchased or assembled 223 caliber AR clones,
but I'm rather surprised at the lack of response and info here??
theres a great many options and a myriad of sources and I'm fairly sure I can eventually find a great deal on quality components at a good price
 
Everyone that has an AR Wont talk about it online Grumpy.
NSA & Bam.
Bam wants to take them away.
There long range defense.

I am front line battle guy.
Close Range.
Hand to Hand Combat Fighting.
Draw your Weapon.
44 Mag like You.
 
well? I thought at least a few of the members had purchased or assembled 223 caliber AR clones,
but I'm rather surprised at the lack of response and info here??
theres a great many options and a myriad of sources and I'm fairly sure I can eventually find a great deal on quality components at a good price

Sorry for no response, but I was in Indy at the NTBA Nationals. Drove my Bucket there and back. Don't know how to post links, but I'll try and give names of places tomorrow.
 
The Guys in Joliet want to come to my Farmhouse and Target Practice Shooting Grumpy.
Looking around Eds.
Planning Strategic Shots in case SHTF.
 
https://www.cdnnsports.com/too-cheap/eaa-sar-k2-45acp.html

this 45 acp pistol at that price, is a HUGE BARGAIN!
they are exceptionally accurate and dependable pistols
Id vastly prefer one of those over most other 45 acp pistols Ive used.

BTW THANKS FOR POSTING SOME REALLY GOOD LINKS!
Yes it is! There are great deals out there if you have time to look. I can spend 4 hours just looking up the best deal on specific parts that I need for a build/repair, and it would be the same part/s, just from a different supplier. I have almost a thousand Mfgrs, suppliers in my cache of favorites from around the world for any type of weapon you could possibly want or have a need to repair. Get on their E-Mail E-Deals to keep you up to date on their special sales. Some are over priced. Kinda like deer hunting in a way?
Palmetto State has good deals on reloading supplies and equipment.
 
I purchased one of those 45 acp pistols years ago from EAA (the previous but almost identical version) and its easily the most accurate 45 acp pistol I own or have used,
it did require some feed ramp polishing to function flawlessly with some hollow point ammo styles but that only took a few minutes with a dremel,tool and it always fed mil spec ammo flawlessly, in fact before they had a 10mm glock it was my preferred concealed carry pistol choice
 
grumpy, I really want to pick up an AR15 style rifle, and I stopped by the local gun shop,
and they have dozens of different versions that vary in cost from about $680 to well over $2K
I'm a bit confused, any advise??

a rifle is simply a tool to accurately shoot projectiles, and like with most tools you'll want to think long and hard about what you'll use the tool for before purchasing one.
AR15 rifles have become almost a lego or erector set rifle,
in that you can order a custom list of features to match your intended application
if you choose to stay with the basic 223/5.56 caliber,most of us will never use an AR15 in personal combat, so in most cases your looking for a target or hunting rifle version.
your priority will generally not be shooting terrorists house to house, but maybe deer, or hogs at 50-150 yards, or prairie dogs at 100-450 yards.
Id suggest a heavy weight fluted stainless 20"-24" barrel, is a good choice, if your intent is long range hunting accuracy or target work. in my opinion a rifle like the colt H-bar is a great compromise
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there are vendors that can supply you with a custom assembled AR15 clone, and if you shop carefully you have thousands of options
https://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=171
as the extra length and barrel mass & rigidity, of a fluted stainless barrel, helps faster heat dissipation,
and a heavier barrel generally helps you keep the barrel and sights steady from a good rest especially with a bi-pod
if you want a light and handy carry rifle the shorter and lighter weight barrels make it easy to carry,
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the shorter and lighter weight, barrel, M4 carbine is easy to carry but it give up a bit of longer range velocity and accuracy/
but accuracy tends to suffer once the rifle barrel heats up after a few shots and the shorter length reduces velocity,
selecting options like hard chrome bolts and heavy stainless fluted barrels add reliability, frequent cleaning and lube maintenance helps and keeping the heat reasonably low by not firing long strings of closely spaced shots reduces wear.
theres dozens of types of sights and forearm and stock configurations,
youll want to select a high quality scope and decent scope mounts.
don,t forget to pick-up, a dozen decent quality magazines , lots of good quality ammo, and a high quality cleaning kit,and a bi-pod and sling

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as with most things youll want to reach a compromise that suits your idea of the best choice.
look at the rifle barrel twist rate,
if you hunt or long range target shoot youll want a rifling 7:1-8:1 twist rate,
to stabilize,
the heavier 62 grain to--75 grain bullets
with the more mass and better ballistics


well proven bullet for deer and hogs from a 223 ar
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...224-diameter-70-grain-semi-spitzer-box-of-100

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-viable-deer-hunting-caliber-and-rifle.12801/

https://ar15depot.com/barrels.htm/a...fluted-threaded-bull-1-8-twist-barrel-24-st25

related
https://www.model1sales.com/

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/stag-arms-model-1-basic-ar-15-equipped-reliability/

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/top-10-ar15s-money-pics/

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-ar-15/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/selecting-a-decent-hunting-scope.13506/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...d-be-ideal-on-an-ar-15-for-general-use.12844/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/bulk-ammo-sources.12454/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-common-sense-storing-loaded-magazines.12465/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-308-win-in-your-basic-defensive-rifle.12421/
 
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I like and have a Colt M4 Carbine w/14" barrel and perm. pinned and welded Flash hider. All stock like the pic above.. Can mount bayonets..
I also have a S&W 16" Carbine that I built from a S&W lower... W/light weight hand guard and Aimpoint sight and all the goodies.. Those are my go to rifles...
I had but sold a 20" rifle that I wish I had still, But I'll get another one soon... Maybe build one... IDK...
 
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I can,t explain a sudden urge to buy a new AR15, or similar rifle!
it just came out of no-ware!

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I’m not much of a rifle guy but I recently visited a friend in Ga. and we took his AR to the range to sight in his scope. He built it from parts and had a Bull Barrel installed. I shot it to set up the scope then hit an 11” target at 100 yards 8 out of 10 times. Seems to me the Bull Barrrel is a must!
 
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