270 to 30/06 brass
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Id suggest you lube the necks of the cases lightly with vasoline on the inside with a q-tip before running the expander through but try a few and see how it works
I generally don't do that simply because a case head stamped 270,, expanded to 30 cal might get mixed up and used in the wrong 270 rifle, yeah, I know its very unlikely to chamber, but its still a potential problem, yeah its obvious visually, if your paying attention but things are not always obvious a few years later
I generally don't do that simply because a case head stamped 270,, expanded to 30 cal might get mixed up and used in the wrong 270 rifle, yeah, I know its very unlikely to chamber, but its still a potential problem, yeah its obvious visually, if your paying attention but things are not always obvious a few years later
The reason I'm doing it is to try. I have a ton of them that were given to me and they are all once fired brass and I don't own a 270 and don't think I ever will but you never know because a good deal trumps everything with guns I have bought a lot of guns that I wouldn't have bought otherwise buy a good deal turned into a good gun that I liked
I found about 200 30/06 cases so I will load them up and save the 270 but I did try 10 of them just to see I lubed the cases and inside of mouth good with Hornaday unique case lube and you could barely tell the difference between the 270 and the 30/06 I will load them up too and shoot them and will have them marked to know and keep track of for education purpose
you really should purchase a good 270 win like a tiki ,browning or similar quality rifle,
if the opportunity and your wallet allow,
EXAMPLE,
Ive got a browning BAR that keeps a 1" 5 shot 100 yard group off a bench rest easily
I'll probably never sell as its low recoil, extremally accurate and consistent with IMR 4831 or H4831SC and a speer 150 grain bullet
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56-grains ofIMR4831 or 57 grains of H4831 sc over a 215 fed primer works great
if you have a decent scope and a good solid rest, to shoot from , any deer inside 500 yards is easy pickings
BTW I sight all rifles to hit 3.5" high at 100 yards
there are flatter shooting rifles but I can't see any need as the 270 win works exceptionally well on deer,
and you simply sight in at 3.5" high at 100 yards, then hold center upper chest behind the front leg out to at least 320 yards
at 400 simply place the horizontal cross hair on the, deer's back with the vertical behind the front leg,
youll need to adjust about 24" high over the deers back at 500 but with practice at a range youll get familiar and its no problem
VELOCITY (FPS)
TRAJECTORY (IN)
2860 vel muzzle
100
3.6 high
200
3.8 high
300
-1.8 low
400
-14 low
500
-34 low
if the opportunity and your wallet allow,
EXAMPLE,
Ive got a browning BAR that keeps a 1" 5 shot 100 yard group off a bench rest easily
I'll probably never sell as its low recoil, extremally accurate and consistent with IMR 4831 or H4831SC and a speer 150 grain bullet
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56-grains ofIMR4831 or 57 grains of H4831 sc over a 215 fed primer works great
if you have a decent scope and a good solid rest, to shoot from , any deer inside 500 yards is easy pickings
BTW I sight all rifles to hit 3.5" high at 100 yards
there are flatter shooting rifles but I can't see any need as the 270 win works exceptionally well on deer,
and you simply sight in at 3.5" high at 100 yards, then hold center upper chest behind the front leg out to at least 320 yards
at 400 simply place the horizontal cross hair on the, deer's back with the vertical behind the front leg,
youll need to adjust about 24" high over the deers back at 500 but with practice at a range youll get familiar and its no problem
Ballistic Results - 270 bar
RANGE (YDS)VELOCITY (FPS)
TRAJECTORY (IN)
2860 vel muzzle
100
3.6 high
200
3.8 high
300
-1.8 low
400
-14 low
500
-34 low
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I've noticed that with the 270 there is a love/hate relationship some shooters love them and some hate them I stand in the middle as I don't have an opinion they are what they are. My old hunting partner for 30+ years used one and I've witnessed a lot of dead deer at camp and knew the distance of a few of them and the 270 is surely not underpowered as some like to suggest and I know about 4 others that only use a 270 and their dead deer are as dead as the ones shot with more powerful rounds and if the opportunity ever comes about that I have a chance at a rifle with a decent price I wouldn't shy away from buying it. At camp a few years ago my friends grandson had a 270 fire when he put on the safety his grandfather flipped out on him but I saw what happened and the poor kid did nothing wrong and later that day the kids mother blew the back window out of her car by doing the same thing and both guns were old Remington guns that had the old safety set uo so after that everyone in camp went through their gun safes and had all old Remington guns checked out and some of the guys at camp never heard about the problem or recall or whatever they called it or did
yeah, Remington had an issue with the safety design, that was something easily fixed, but of course not putting a cartridge in the chamber until your about to shoot is the best route to take on those older remingtons.
Id point out that 100% of the performance you get is the result of the projectile you select and your ability for consistent and precise/ proper shot placement. for deer a nosler, speer or hornady 150 grain bullet is a proven performer, some others have less than ideal track records and of couse most of the BULLET FAILUREs are very closely related to people who don't shoot accurately or shoot at extended ranges who would never admit that THEIR shot placemen SUCKED and THEY were a BIG FACTOR in the failures that resulted..
you really can,t ignore either ballistics, physics, or the games anatomy, when selecting the rifle that will best match your intended application, as the range increases factors like the projectiles initial velocity and ballistic shape & mass have a pronounced effect on that projectiles trajectory .
then you have to consider theres a huge difference in the expected resistance that projectile will be expected to penetrate on impact. under an ideal set of conditions ranges will be reasonably short, projectile drop from the rifles sight in zero will be minimal and the games vitals will easily be reached after minimal penetration.
but thats when reality steps in, you will rarely know the range, the position , or angle of the game from the rifleman will be different in every case, and its likely to change frequently, so having a bit of extra velocity to flatten trajectory, a bit of extra mass in the projectile to retain impact energy, and a reasonably sturdy projectile construction to control expansion certainly helps that projectile reach, penetrate and destroy the vital organs.
theres always trade-offs the larger and heavier the projectile and the faster its pushed the more recoil is potentially generated.
if you expect to have targets at over about 200 yards projectiles must be pushed to fairly high velocity (generally as far over 2000 fps as you can get) to flatten trajectory and frequently a choice is made to reduce the projectile mass and diameter to reduce recoil.
years ago I saw a game department survey made where they asked hundreds of hunters at a western BLM check point, to look out at 5 different colored flags placed at random but carefully measured distances and write down what each person estimated the distance too be from the check point, they were handed a pen and a survey card, they were told NONE of the colored flags were at an even 100 yard multiple but that was the only info , each flag was a different, color, placed in a
different direction and at a different distance.
the survey taker pointed out each colored flag and asked them to write down their estimated range!
they tabulated the actual hunters field estimates being made on the spot, vs the carefully measure actual distances.
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.
the results were about what Id have expected..after decades of listening to guys claim they killed deer & elk at 400 and 500 and 600 yards.......
the vast majority were very VERY bad at estimating distances correctly past about 150 yards, some estimates that were over 70% wrong were not uncommon
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Id point out that 100% of the performance you get is the result of the projectile you select and your ability for consistent and precise/ proper shot placement. for deer a nosler, speer or hornady 150 grain bullet is a proven performer, some others have less than ideal track records and of couse most of the BULLET FAILUREs are very closely related to people who don't shoot accurately or shoot at extended ranges who would never admit that THEIR shot placemen SUCKED and THEY were a BIG FACTOR in the failures that resulted..
you really can,t ignore either ballistics, physics, or the games anatomy, when selecting the rifle that will best match your intended application, as the range increases factors like the projectiles initial velocity and ballistic shape & mass have a pronounced effect on that projectiles trajectory .
then you have to consider theres a huge difference in the expected resistance that projectile will be expected to penetrate on impact. under an ideal set of conditions ranges will be reasonably short, projectile drop from the rifles sight in zero will be minimal and the games vitals will easily be reached after minimal penetration.
but thats when reality steps in, you will rarely know the range, the position , or angle of the game from the rifleman will be different in every case, and its likely to change frequently, so having a bit of extra velocity to flatten trajectory, a bit of extra mass in the projectile to retain impact energy, and a reasonably sturdy projectile construction to control expansion certainly helps that projectile reach, penetrate and destroy the vital organs.
theres always trade-offs the larger and heavier the projectile and the faster its pushed the more recoil is potentially generated.
if you expect to have targets at over about 200 yards projectiles must be pushed to fairly high velocity (generally as far over 2000 fps as you can get) to flatten trajectory and frequently a choice is made to reduce the projectile mass and diameter to reduce recoil.
years ago I saw a game department survey made where they asked hundreds of hunters at a western BLM check point, to look out at 5 different colored flags placed at random but carefully measured distances and write down what each person estimated the distance too be from the check point, they were handed a pen and a survey card, they were told NONE of the colored flags were at an even 100 yard multiple but that was the only info , each flag was a different, color, placed in a
different direction and at a different distance.
the survey taker pointed out each colored flag and asked them to write down their estimated range!
they tabulated the actual hunters field estimates being made on the spot, vs the carefully measure actual distances.
.
.
the results were about what Id have expected..after decades of listening to guys claim they killed deer & elk at 400 and 500 and 600 yards.......
the vast majority were very VERY bad at estimating distances correctly past about 150 yards, some estimates that were over 70% wrong were not uncommon
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