9mm loads

rlphvac

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Grumpy I got a box of X Treme 135gr Hollow Points and can't find any load info I'd like to load them with Hodgdon CFE Pistol but in all the loading books I have there is no info on 135 gr bullets I have several other pistol powders but can't find data on 135 gr on anything. If you have anything on them could you post it for me other pistol powders I have are Bullseye, Unique, Benchmark, Titegroup, 700X, Varget, Accurate#9, the other powders I have are for Rifle loads only I believe IMR4895, IMR4350, Alliant R-22, IMR4064, H 335 I know there has to be something out there I wasn't aware of how odd the weight was when I bought them. If you or anyone out there have any info on this load I would appreciate it Thanks in advance
 
your problem is very common, and what most guys do is simply use the load data for next heavier, similar jacketed or similar cast projectile listed
as it will almost always be a safe pressure level, some powders are much more stable over wide ranges of pressure ,with experience gained youll usually find several favorites.
so youll obviously be better off using those, powders in many cases, you'll generally want too select the slower burning , and bulkier powders for any small capacity pistol case,application
I think Id start with 3.5 grains of titegroup and work up a tenth grain at a time if using the powders you listed
Recommended load data to meet a 125,000 power factor:

  • 135gr Berry HBFP 1.130" OAL
  • 4gr Winchester Super Field
  • 4.2gr Winchester Auto Comp
  • 4gr Winchester 231/Hodgdon HP38 (they are the exact same powder)
  • 3.4gr Hodgdon Tightgroup
  • 4.7gr Vit 3N37
  • Any primer, but we prefer Federal 100
  • These loads produce +/- 950 FPS in a 5" Wilson 1911 barrel on an 80 degree day
you can also generally get a bit closer, lets say you selected a cartridge in a theoretical fictitious example that had a 125 grain bullet and a 145 grain bullet listed and the powder charge of a certain powder a 125 grain bullet was 15 grains and a 145 grain bullet listed charge was 11.8 grains, the difference in projectile weight was 20 grains, the powder charge difference was 3.2 grains, for that 20 grain projectile weight change, thats .16 grains of change in powder weight for each grain in projectile weight, , if we were to select a 135 grain projectile that would in theory place the powder charge at about 1.6 grains less than the 125 grain charge weight recommended , or close to 13.4 grains, you would to be safe start with a few test loads at about 12.5 grains and if those worked well, try a bit more powder up in about 2 tents of a grain steps until you reached the 13.3 grains or so level.
yes if you care too ,you can precisely measure case head expansion,also and as long as the brass only expands to duplicate factory ammo pressure levels youll generally be reasonably safe, but this is a way to keep you out of trouble not 100% fool proof and I would not exceed that 13.4 grains in the theoretical fictitious example above,

Id also watch primers for pressure indications
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Stay well below the maximum charges listed in the manuals, and you'll be much safer without significant sacrifice in down-range performance. No micrometer is a reliable pressure gauge. but you certainly will see greater case head expansion over the factory ammo if you load to higher pressure levels so its a tool to keep you out of trouble


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http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=9 mm&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Source=

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/new-reloading-manuals.2379/

https://www.xtremebullets.com/9mm-135-RNFP-p/xc9mm-135rnfp-b0500.htm

Did a google search and found this - does it help?
Use lead bullet data.
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Notes P.F. COL
L-TCBB 135 231/HP38 3.5 935 126 1.142
L-RN 135 231/HP38 3.7 969 131 1.150
L-RN 136 231/HP38 4.5 1084 147
Bayou 135 AA2 3.5 917 124 1.150
Bayou 135 AA2 3.5 918 124 1.150
Bayou 135 AA2 3.7 943 127 1.150
Bayou 135 AA2 3.7 944 127 1.150
Bayou 135 AA2 3.9 980 132 1.150
Bayou 135 AA2 3.9 981 132 1.130-1.150
Bayou 135 AA2 4.1 1004 136 1.150
Bayou 135 AA2 4.1 1014 137 1.150
Bayou 135 N320 3.5 970 131 1.130
Bayou 135 PowerPistol 5.4 1100 Mixed 149 1.150
Bayou 135 PowerPistol 5.6 1120 Mixed 151 1.150
Bayou 135 PowerPistol 5.8 1137 Mixed 153 1.150
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 3.4 968 W/W 131 1.150
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 3.4 1001 135 1.105
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 3.6 997 W/W 135 1.150
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 3.6 1033 139 1.105
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 3.7 1023 W/W 138 1.150
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 3.8 1042 W/W 141 1.150
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 3.8 1051 142 1.105
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 4.0 1084 W/W 146 1.150
Bayou 135 TiteGroup 4.0 1076 145 1.105
L-RN 136 Unique 4.1 980 133
Bayou 135 WSF 3.7 922 124 1.105
Bayou 135 WSF 3.7 931 126 1.105
Bayou 135 WSF 3.8 Mixed 0 1.145
Bayou 135 WSF 3.8 938 127 1.105
Bayou 135 WSF 3.8 936 126 1.105
Bayou 135 WSF 4.0 Mixed 0 1.145
Bayou 135 WSF 4.0 979 132 1.105
Bayou 135 WSF 4.0 982 133 1.105
Bayou 135 WSF 4.2 966 Mixed 130 1.145
Bayou 135 WSF 4.2 Mixed 0 1.145
Bayou 135 WSF 4.2 1007 136 1.105
Bayou 135 WSF 4.2 966 130 1.145
Bayou 135 WSF 4.2 0 1.145
Bayou 135 WST 4.0 Mixed 0 1.145

you should generally have at least three well known reference books and
youll want too purchase a new one every few years ,
to keep up with new powders, and cartridges being listed


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/57...tridge-reloading-9th-edition-reloading-manual
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1064217655/lyman-reloading-handbook-49th-edition-reloading-manual
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/537267/speer-reloading-manual-14
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/158738/nosler-reloading-guide-8-reloading-manual
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http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...-Reloading-Manual-2nd-Edition-by-Richard-Lee-
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http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...cluding-Supplements-Number-1-24-By-Ken-Waters
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https://www.google.com/webhp?source...nual+reviews&tbm=shop&spd=6195891438066969302
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as in most things having accurate reference materials helps a great deal
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http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
 
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heres a basic powder burn rate chart, refer to the manuals and always verify in at least three and compare the charge and bullet weights listed
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does all this info help you?
do you need more info/
what reloading tools are you using?
 
Grumpy I committed reloading sin I loaded 50 rounds of the wrong bullets to the wrong data I have 2 boxes of the same mfg. different weights I couldn't find data on 135 gr. xtreme HP 9mm so I thought I grabbed the 124 gr. bullets instead but didn't and I noticed after 50 rounds I loaded Xtreme 135 gr HP with 4.8 gr. of CFE pistol to 1.060 oal I know I'm real boaderline above max I was going to try them in an old 9mm steel gun but decided to break them down and re do them
 
Grumpy I committed reloading sin I loaded 50 rounds of the wrong bullets to the wrong data I have 2 boxes of the same mfg. different weights I couldn't find data on 135 gr. xtreme HP 9mm so I thought I grabbed the 124 gr. bullets instead but didn't and I noticed after 50 rounds I loaded Xtreme 135 gr HP with 4.8 gr. of CFE pistol to 1.060 oal I know I'm real boaderline above max I was going to try them in an old 9mm steel gun but decided to break them down and re do them
 
I spent the weekend prepping 1000 rounds of 9mm they are primed and ready to load but i got to thinking that I need a progressive press more than a new gun so my next investment will be a Hornaday ammo plant press with the pistol set up for 9mm,40 cal. and 45 ACP I will still keep my Hornaday single stage press to do rifle loads by hand. I will prolly get the 223 setup for the new press too. when I started reloading a couple years ago I never could have imagined what a monster this was going to be I now do around 25 different loads and am always buying new stuff like the wet tumbler I'm now making a drying rack out of an old furnace blower to dry the cases with
 
yeah, reloading and engine building are similar in that both hobbys seem to require you constantly acquire a nearly endless list of associated tools and skills and accessories.
BTW, you did the right thing, by pulling the suspected over loaded cartridges down and reassembling them
 
have you tried shooting the ammo you reloaded? results?
 
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