a bit of common sense storing loaded firearm magazines

Discussion in 'Tactical & Black Rifles' started by Grumpy, Jun 24, 2016.

  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    when storing any fire arm component,
    both ammo and the magazines themselves must be stored where moisture can not cause rust and corrosion,
    and in as close as possible to an ideal cool & dry environment.
    never use penetrating oils in direct contact with ammo or use more than minimal amounts on magazines as it can and will cause ammo function problems
    any pistol or rifle owner should have several spare magazines ,
    as the pistol or rifles useless, without a good functional magazine, even with only one it can be and frequently is near useless,
    if a small spring or other minor component fails that could easily be replaced with a magazine swap.
    I generally suggested having at least 5-6 extra magazines minimum,
    and a minimum of 200 cartridges, for any firearm you own

    any mechanical device, no mater how simple benefits from proper maintenance and care, and protection from corrosion.

    shop carefully both magazines and ammo cans can and do vary in price constantly, and read the product descriptions carefully some are well used others nearly new

    lightly misting the magazine metal surfaces internally and externally after a careful detailed cleaning with a good solvent then drying them, quickly followed by the corrosion reducing misted oil coating helps, but be aware this must be done very frugally as any excess oil has the potential to seep into primers and powder DE-activating the ammo, or causing mis-fires,& hang fires,
    almost any rifle or pistol magazine can be left loaded to about 85% of max capacity for YEARS with it loaded to only about 80% capacity
    ,virtually forever, if the magazines kept lightly mist oiled, dry and inside an air tight moisture tight box inside a plastic zip=lock seal bag
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    without doing and harm to the internal spring IF you take a few basic precautions
    reasonable prep helps

    (1) IF possible, dis-assemble and clean the magazine carefully inside and out,
    then swish it in a clean solvent
    (Ive used a large container of mineral spirits) bath,
    to insure you get it cleaned internally, dry it carefully internally and externally with a lint free cloth,
    and lightly spray it both internally and externally with a good DRY FILM lubricant.
    (I find MOLY mist spray excellent, as its a dry powder micro surface lube that drys in seconds having zero problem with ammo contamination issues)
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    DON,T SOAK IT DOWN, wet spray lubes like wd 40 and most penetrating oil sprays can seep into and deactivate primers or powder in ammo over time is sprayed directly on ammo or a surface its stored inside
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    http://tsmoly.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_16&products_id=175

    https://www.grainger.com/product/CR...m/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/2F138_AS01?$smthumb$

    https://www.amazon.com/Jet-Lube-Moly-Mist-Specialty-Oilfield-Lubricant/dp/B009CHE9L8
    (2)
    very lightly mist spray, a single paper towel large enough to fold over both sides of the magazine with WD40
    (don,t soak it down so its wet, you want the paper towel to absorb moisture and admit rust reducing fumes)
    and place it around the magazine then slide it into a plastic zip lock bag
    you can stack dozens of individually bagged magazines in a large water tight container for years in a cool dry environment
    a couple 40 mm ammo cans are about ideal be damn sure you check the shipping charges as well as the posted price
    it may be well worth the cost/time/effort to buy from an AMAZON PRIME VENDOR

    the cost with shipping may be surprising high from some vendors,
    but shipping very low or free from amazon prime making the cost of ,
    the AMMO CANS OR MAGAZINES PRICED MUCH MORE REASONABLY

    EXAMPLE
    It would make little sense to purchase 4 $15 ammo cans that required $55 shipping cost vs several $20 ammo cans with free shipping

    if you only have a couple magazines the 50 cal cans are a decent option
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    a couple 40 mm ammo cans are about ideal if you have a bunch of magazines
    the 40mm ammo cans easily hold twice plus the number of magazines and ammo that a 50 cal ammo can holds


    good price fast service
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A9T8D7Y?m=A2UF647I381AO6&ref_=v_sp_detail_page

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    http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/ammo-cans-storage-containers/40mm-ammo-box.html

    its a damn good idea to own several of the 50 cal ammo cans if you have a couple extra pistol or rifle magazines.

    dirty, rusty magazines are usually nearly useless and become permanently damaged rapidly.
    (don,t forget to use the zip-lock bags and a storage prep like written up above)
    but if you have a few dozen , upgrading to the larger 40-mm ammo can ,
    makes a great deal more sense economically as your container generally,
    costs less than twice as much as the 50 cal cans,
    but holds MORE than twice the volume in contents.



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    http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/ammo-cans-storage-containers/40mm-ammo-box.html
    http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/ammo-cans-storage-containers/40mm-ammo-box.html


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    M1a magazines

    LOOK OVER THE OPTIONS & PRICES, THOSE CHANGE OVER TIME,
    AND THERE ARE SALES,
    ITS NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL TO FIND IDENTICAL OR SIMILAR MAGAZINES,
    PRICED 30%- 70% LOWER ON SALE, AT DIFFERENT VENDORS,
    AND YES THERE ARE CHEAP LOW QUALITY COPIES FOR SALE IN SOME CASES,
    BUT YOU CAN NOT ASSUME THE HIGHER PRICE INDICATES A BETTER QUALITY IN ALL CASES
    READ DESCRIPTIONS CAREFULLY

    WHILE NOT TRUE IN ALL CASES, TRUE MILL SPEC SURPLUS,
    IN ORIGINAL PRISTINE CONDITION,WILL GENERALLY WILL BE 100% RELIABLE,
    WHILE AFTERMARKET KNOCK OFFS MAY NOT BE!!

    BUY THE BASIC 5-6 MINIMUM MAGAZINES
    WHEN YOU BUY THE FIREARM
    THEY MAY BE FAR HARDER TO LOCATE AND MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE A YEAR OR TWO LATER

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    https://www.gunsamerica.com/9964448...-BLACK-PHOSPHATE-STEEL-MAGAZINE-NEW-IN-BO.htm

    http://www.keepshooting.com/review/product/list/id/209/category/8/#customer-reviews
    good quality , and great price
    https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/mil-spec-m14-m1a-magazine-20-rounds?a=148200

    https://www.44mag.com/product/m1a_m14_magazine_20_usgi/check-mate_industries

    http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/mil-spec-20-rd-m14-m1a-mag?a=148200

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/951013246/Springfield-M1A-Mag-308-20rd-NEW-National-Magazine.htm

    http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/magsclips

    AR mags
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    MIL SURPLUS 20, and 30 round capacity AR 15 mags generally work well,
    but its smart to by too, buy and test those mags you buy,and only then buy more identical mags,
    if the first test mags prove 100% dependable,
    the last thing you want to do is buy defective magazines in bulk quantity

    https://www.sportsmansguide.com/pro...16-military-spec-magazine-30-rounds?a=1317453

    https://www.keepshooting.com/c-products-ar-15-magazine.html

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...r-aluminum-gray-3023002179cpd-766897411083.do

    http://www.jgsales.com/magazines-c-332_190_192.html

    https://gunmagwarehouse.com/tapco-i...ound-polymer-magazine-mag0930-all-colors.html

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...000010404.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn

    I'VE HAD AND SEEN VERY MIXED RESULTS FROM THE AFTERMARKET 40 SHOT MAGS,
    USED IN AR15 and AK47 RIFLES and 20 PLUS CAPACITY,
    AFTERMARKET GLOCK PISTOL MAGAZINES
    https://www.sportsmansguide.com/pro...s-ar-15-m16-steel-magazine-40-rounds?a=546459

    AK mags
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    http://www.jgsales.com/east-europea...teel,-excellent-to-like-new-used.-p-2847.html

    https://gunmagwarehouse.com/all-magazines/rifles

    https://gunmagwarehouse.com/kci-ak-47-7-62x39-30-round-steel-magazine.html

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...do?green=C146057B-8258-5AB9-0591-E82FE3ACB34B

    http://www.jgsales.com/yugo-ak-47-z...open,-blued-steel,-new-by-matra.-p-90031.html

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...000010404.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=fn


    http://www.sgammo.com/product/surpl...round-ak-47-drum-magazine-new-romanian-762x39

    http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rifle/556/
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
  2. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    I had a recent e-mail question about this post asking if I was sure,
    that you could safely store a 30 round capacity magazine with about 25 cartridges , and 20 round capacity with 16 cartridges, in a sealed zip lock bag,
    and not have any feeding issues.
    all I can say is I,ve routinely done that with both AK 47 m14, and AR 15 mags , for over 40 years, with zero issues
    I generally clean and very lightly mist my magazines inside with dry moly spray, and outside with wd40 before I load them
    then I place two in a gallon zip loc plastic bag with each loosely wrapped each individual magazine in a single sheet of paper towel,
    (this will tend to trap and absorb the preservative mist and absorb any trace moisture trapped in the air in that sealed zip-loc bag)

    I fold the sealed zip lock bag , containing the two magazines and place both magazines along with several others,
    (as many pairs as will easily stack and fit) in a 50 caliber ammo can.
    and in the last 40 plus years I,ve pulled a few out of storage and shot them,empty and re-cleaned re-oiled and refilled to a 25 capacity and reloaded /re-stored dozens over the years with zero problems.
    a sealed 50 caliber ammo can with the sealed magazines comes out even decades later in pristine condition, if stored in a cool dry place.
    and yeah, Ive used ammo I loaded 20 plus years ago with zero mis-fires and Ive never had a weak magazine spring in either style mag.

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    http://ammunitionstore.com/products/50-cal-ammo-can-m2a1-military-surplus-like-new.html
    if you only have a couple magazines the 50 cal cans are a decent option
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    a couple 40 mm ammo cans are about ideal if you have a bunch of magazines
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    http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/ammo-cans-storage-containers/40mm-ammo-box.html

    its a damn good idea to own several of the 50 cal ammo cans if you have a couple extra pistol or rifle magazines.

    dirty, rusty magazines are usually nearly useless and become permanently damaged rapidly.
    (don,t forget to use the zip-lock bags and a storage prep like written up above)
    but if you have a few dozen , upgrading to the larger 40-mm ammo can ,
    makes a great deal more sense economically as your container generally,
    costs less than twice as much as the 50 cal cans,
    but holds MORE than twice the volume in contents.

    obviously the varying ,size, bulk, length of the magazines limits the storage capacity,
    but the larger the internal volume,
    is the more options in how the contents stack ,you have available.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2018
  3. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    https://www.cdnnsports.com/9mm-33rd-4th-gen-dual-cut.html#.WlU4OKinG9I


    has the 9mm 33 round capacity glock mags available at a reasonable price

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...-17-19-26-34-9mm-luger-33-round-polymer-black

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...r-19-or-26-glock-9mm-handguns-764503170331.do

    http://www.primaryarms.com/glock-factory-17-magazine-33-round-9mm-mggl17133-mggl17133



    10mm glock mags

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...lock-20-20sf-10mm-auto-15-round-polymer-black

    https://gunmagwarehouse.com/glock-magazine-glock-20-20sf-10mm-auto-15-round-polymer-black.html


    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...ine-glock-20-10mm-auto-10-round-polymer-black

    https://www.cheaperthandirt.net/pro...MI5_zhubWW2QIVT7jACh3LKAEAEAQYAyABEgIBlPD_BwE
    with practice a new full magazines seated, and the slide seats a cartridge, before the old empty magazine you ejected hits the ground

    http://www.climags.com/categories/Glock/

    https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=154


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    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/69630

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    https://crypticpunk.wordpress.com/building-the-fully-legal-semi-automatic-uzi-carbine/

    http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/uzi.aspx

    https://www.dsarms.com/c-725-uzi-parts.aspx

    http://uzigunparts.com/
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2018
  4. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

  5. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    I found this video rather interesting,
    I got the distinct impression most of the guys in the video were not familiar with the rifles and magazine changes,
    other than the ak47 and ar15 in some cases.
    I'd bet some of those guys had rarely if ever used some of those rifles, looking at the results in the video

     
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2018
  6. T-Test

    T-Test Well-Known Member

    I found that is was familiarity with the AR was the winner. If you or I had tried that, the results might look different even though we might not have ever shot some of them..
     
  7. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    yeah If the guys were much more familiar with the rifles,
    I think the results would have been smooth, faster.
    Ive never had issues with an M1a or G3
    they make it look far more difficult that it can be with minimal practice,
    and I have to point out that with a 20-30 shot magazine,
    you should have confronted and eliminated the threat,
    long before a single magazine change was mandatory.
    as in all confrontations ONLY hits count!
    throwing shots in the general direction, is nearly useless.
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018

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