a choice between two mild HYDRAULIC ROLLER TPI cams

grumpyvette

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A choice was made between two similar hydraulic roller cams for a mild TPI combo

http://www.crower.com/misc/cam_spec/cam ... 1&x=23&y=4

the crower cam I suggested

http://www.lunaticams.com/Product.aspx?id=1835&gid=254

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=126&p=1270&hilit=+roller+rockers#p1270

the lunati that was purchased / bought

this will be very informative, because it points out the difference between listed and true lift and duration, look at the duration and lift figures, then at the .050 timing


look both over carefully and compare


most guys looking at the stated info,
and not the actual timing figures
will think the
LUNATI with its Duration @ .050
Intake:206/Exhaust:215
is slightly wilder than

the CROWER
with its Duration at .050" of
Intake: 204 Exhaust: 213
THATS NOT TRUE
LOOK CLOSELY

LUNATI INTAKE Opens: -5.0 ATDC
Closes: 31.0 ABDC
EXHAUST Opens: 43.5.0 BBDC
Closes: -8.5.0 BTDC
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .469/.489



CROWER INTAKE Opens: -8.0 ATDC
Closes: 32.0 ABDC
EXHAUST Opens: 45.0 BBDC
Closes: -12.0 BTDC
Lift: .484 Lift: .505


the fact is the crower design is just a bit more aggressive

NEITHER cam is a max effort design. both are designed for a boost over stock but they will retain decent street and traffic manors in basically stock or mildly modified engines, BOTH cams will work fine, in most TPI engine combos if clearances are carefully checked and maintained, and Ill be the first guy to suggest that on a stock set of heads the lunati with its lower lift is the safer choice, but on decent aftermarket heads with no clearance issues the crower design is almost sure to produce a better power curve.

Ive used several very similar cams over the years and every last one in that duration range ran better , in a TPI equipted engine with its restrictive intake, and head flow rates if the cam was retarded a few degrees (INSTALLED SPLIT OVERLAP)vs installed advanced 4 degrees (DOT-TO-DOT)the main reason seems to be that a TPI needs all the upper rpm scavaging it can get to help fill the cylinders and with the limited duration the delayed intake valve closeing tends to help just a bit to extend the rpm band, higher.
as IM sure your aware
the formula for hp is tq x rpm/5252

lets say the cam change moves the tq peak 150 rpm higher (WHICH IT TENDS TO)
now lets assume the torque peaks at only the same point and power peaks at

http://www.stingray.nu/tips/tech85.htm

165 NET HP @ 5200 the stock engine was supposed to make at 200rpm, higher, but it now jumps just a bit to 5350rpm,that's about 5-6 hp advantage, but in reality you'll see closer to 40-60 more hp more due too both the more aggressive cam timing and the slightly retarded timing also, install it advanced and youll still get a big boost but your leaving 3-6 hp on the table in most cases
 
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