anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual?

Discussion in 'transmission and Drive train' started by grumpyvette, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    Does anyone have experience converter a 4l80E to full manual control, Ive had a new 4l80e auto transmission sitting on a shelf in its factory packaging in my shop for a few years, that I want to convert to full manual control as it will make installing it in a car far less difficult than wiring in an expensive computer control module. now you may or may not agree but I think a full manual control shift kit is the most effective route to take in installing a 4l80E transmission in a performance application.
    there are kits available too allow full manual control on a 4l80e thus eliminating the high cost of an electronic controller being required, and from what Ive heard they work rather well if properly installed, there are also now several lower cost programmable controllers
    NOW that I own a 4l80e for my corvette project car and would prefer to have it converted too full manual control,using a floor shifter, for several reasons ,I would like to get some feed back, as many of you know the transmission can be converted to use a set of manual switches or run with a programmable controller.
    If you have a 4l80e thats converted to full manual control ID like to know who you might suggest does the best conversion work, and what shifter and mount brackets your using?
    yes I can do the work myself , but I've only rebuilt a a couple muncies, and a couple TH400 transmissions and thus I'd rather not get into working on a transmission I'm not absolutely comfortable modifying because I intend to put this behind about 700ft lbs of torque and obviously that will cause issues if the transmissions not 100% correct.


    The 4l80e transmission weighs 40 lbs more than a 700r4. 134 lbs vs 1741lbs , that's real world numbers. and the difference is in far stronger parts, properly build 1200hp is easily handled

    http://shop.jakesperformance.com/Manual-Control-Box-for-4L80E-JP-MCB.htm


    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/trg-4l80e-hd2

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...-performance&gclid=CPaI3vynitACFVI9gQodZ-MDvg

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...msd-ignition&gclid=CMLR1qKlitACFYpahgodt64Oew

    http://www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L60e.html

    http://www.usshift.com/newname.shtml

    https://www.diyautotune.com/product/gpio-application-kit-megashift/

    http://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-1203-transmission-controllers-tested/

    https://sites.google.com/site/sloppywiki/everything-ls/cheap-stand-alone-trans-controller

    http://www.usshift.com/?gclid=CNmI9damitACFUgmhgodaQcPpw


    http://www.jakesperformance.com/4L80E_Components.html


    http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4L60E ... E_Swap.htm

    http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4l80e.htm

    http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/ez-tcut ... to-09html/

    http://www.pswired.com/95silverado/perf ... ebuild.htm

    http://www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/index.html

    http://www.jakesperformance.com/4L80E_Components.html

    http://www.jakesperformance.com/4L80E.html

    http://www.fbperformance.com/ViewTransm ... ssionID=89

    http://www.performancetransparts.com/tr ... 80e-3.aspx

    http://www.ptcrace.com/torque-converters-c-26.html

    http://www.converter.com/vigilante.htm

    programmable controllers
    http://www.atiracing.com/products/trans ... mputer.htm
    http://www.becontrols.com/products/4L60Etcs.htm
    http://www.jegs.com/i/TCI/890/377500/10 ... tId=951233

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    http://www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L80E/4L80.html
     
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  2. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    Re: anyone have experience converter a 4l80E to full manual?

    the electronic controllers are absurdly expensive for a 4l80E , I purchased a full factory rebuilt trans for $1500, the controllers Ive priced were nearly that much, but you can have a full manual control version, I purchased a 4l80e from G.M. performance that Ill have converted to full manual control as soon as I can afford too and find some one who knows what they are doing, for my BBC corvette engine swap
    mostly because the controller and wiring harness alone will cost in the area of $1100, and because I prefer not to get into extensive programing and wiring and sensors, once, my engine swap and 4l80e trans are installed ID prefer full manual control on my 4l80e transmission swap
    http://www.optishift.com/
    heres computer controlled

    HERES A COMPUTER CONTROL UNIT THATS PRICED LOWER BUT I DON,T KNOW ABOUT ITS QUALITY YET
    http://www.usshift.com/

    http://www.ckperformance.com/resources/ ... NENTS.html

    http://www.performancetransparts.com/tr ... 80e-3.aspx

    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TRG-4L80E-3/

    converting a 4l80e to full manual control
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    http://transgoonline.com/products.php?p ... ntview=Yes
    TRANSGO PART: 4L80E-3 CLASSIFICATION: REPROGRAMMING KITS
    FITS: 4L80E, 4L85E, 91-09
    FEATURES: Stick shift; Full race, Competition, Off road and Pro-street.
    Full manual control. New triple layer Plate design with Dual feed Direct Clutch.
    If you have some POWER: It'll rattle your teeth. Easier Installation!!
    Assistance Video
    Includes: 48-MOD Vacuum Modulator Kit for Proper Pressure Rise
    Special Instructions: Does not Require transmission removal for proper installation.

    http://www.mez.co.uk/4l80e.html

    http://www.mez.co.uk/4l80e-1.html

    viewtopic.php?f=39&t=512&p=637&hilit=4l80e#p637

    HERES WHAT MIGHT BE GOOD INFO
    "Lookup Transgo, kit number 4L80E-3, that is the kit I used. It is just a manual conversion for the VB, and a few simple upgrades inside the case and pump. Standard forward pattern, and the nice thing is that it replaces the electronic modulation with vacuum modulation so you don't have to run full line pressure all the time. "

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    TRANSGO PART: 48-ACT-TL CLASSIFICATION: VALVES and BUSHINGS
    FITS: 4L80E, 4L85E, 91-09
    FEATURES: 4L80E/4L85E Actuator Limit Valve Repair Kit. Fixes 6 valve bodies.
    Boring tool kit with oversize valve and new springs. Corrects - low line pressure,
    clutch burn up, wrong gear starts, neutrals on 4th.
    Special Instructions: Does not Require transmission removal for proper installation.

    http://www.transmissioncenter.org/4L80E ... iagram.htm

    http://www.makcotransmissionparts.com/m ... /4L80E.pdf

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    TRANSGO PART: 48-CCV CLASSIFICATION: VALVES and BUSHINGS
    FITS: 4L80E, 4L85E, 91-09
    FEATURES: 4L80E/4L85E Converter Conversion Valve--Corrects Lube flow
    when using non-lockup converter. Used often in transplants and with
    4L80E-3 Stick Shift kit to eliminate lock up.
    Use Non-Lock up "Convertor with no Lock Up Plate assembly" Converter only.
    Special Instructions: Requires transmission removal for proper installation.


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    TRANSGO PART: 48-MOD CLASSIFICATION: SPECIALTY PARTS
    FITS: 4L80E, 4L85E, 91-09
    FEATURES: Vacuum Modulator Kit: Replaces EPC solenoid for Heavy Duty, High Performance
    and No Computer, Great for transplants. Kit allows for adequate and desired
    Pressure Rise when vehicles PCM/Computer does NOT.
    This kit is included with the 4L80E-3 Stick Shift Kit.
     
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  3. 2Loose

    2Loose reliable source of info

    Re: anyone have experience converter a 4l80E to full manual?

    So, are you going to do the conversion?
    How soon?
    Let us know how it all goes.
     
  4. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    Re: anyone have experience converter a 4l80E to full manual?

    yes IM going to do this as soon as funds and time allow during my big block c4 engine/drive train conversion, its unfortunate, but Im on a pension, so funds are darn tight, and due to serious prior injury's, to my back, leg and a fractured ankle, I can,t be on my feet all that long before it becomes rather painful
     
  5. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    Grumpy, a friend of mine, Jeff, has been rebuilding automatic transmissions since 1987 & drag race build use told me in the past TRASGO sells a kit to eliminate the Factory shift solenoids & required ECM/PCM in a 4L80E transmission.
    Full hydraulic control, no electronics. Save $$$.
    That large rectangular bump on the passenger side with the GM Hydromatic Logo 4L80E is part is where the kit is installed I recall him telling me, inside of course.
    The kit uses a Ford C4- C6 transmission vacuum modulator to make gearchange upshifts & regulate line pressure under heavy WOT & part throttle driving loads.
    Also said he has made 2 4L80E conversions this way.
    Just need a full vacuum intake manifold intake vacuum source at all time, non pored vacuum.
    Not sure about a full manual valvebody. That is done typically with a Trans Go 2-3 Reprogram kit such as a Turbo 400 or 700R4 GM RWD trans.

    I will look for the correct part number tomarow for you Grumpy.
    Spent last 4 hours reading on your Forum everywhere.

    Brian R.
     
  6. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    You have the part # listed above Grumpy. ;)
     
  7. 2Loose

    2Loose reliable source of info

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    Bumping this thread, as I put a 4L80e with transfer case out of a diesel 4x4 GMC truck in my '55 Chevy 4x4 conversion ten or more years ago, and put a TCI elec. contoller on it. TCI only had software that ran on a pretty obsolete version of Windows, and I had to hunt up an old laptop from one of my kids to run that software and program the controller. It was pretty neat, as I put a second "hi-lo" switch on the floor next to the headlight high beam switch, and connected it to the controller. Put a red led in the dash to tell me when I was in "high performance" mode, and was able to program in two operation modes into the controller.

    When I bought the controller from TCI they promised me an updated disk of software "as soon as it is available"....
    When it became available they wanted to charge me $100 for it, so I gave them the middle finger....
    But it is still running on that original programming, I'd like to redo it, and the old (really old) laptop with the software is now among the "missing"....
    So I am really interested in pulling my 4L80e and converting it to full manual, is there any updates available on this procedure?
    Aloha,
    Willy
     
  8. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

  9. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    Look on Racing Junk.com time to time Grumpy.
    Yellow Bullet Racing Forum.
    I won't but used Race car electronics from Fleabay.
    Too many risks & unknows from seller.
    Just VERTEX MAGS.
    I can fully rebuild Mags at home.
     
  10. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual


    Another possible solution for the 4L60E and 4L80E transmission called
    the Ross-Lock by Rossler Transmissions.




     

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  12. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    WOW! NICE FIND!
    Ill have too look it over carefully but that sure appears to be a good option

    http://www.megamanual.com/4L80Ebom.htm
     
  13. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    BTW if any of you gentlemen have info relating too what shifter assemble, or torque converter or fllex-plate could be used with a 4l80e transmission especially once convertered to full manual control, and if used with with a short 6" or 8" shifter stick, in a corvette, with a big block engine swap application and which torque converter and flex-plate , for a internally balanced AND externally balanced engine assembly as I'm sure both style builds will be used at some point, by people reading thru these threads. What do you think might be the most durable design in a torque converter, what brands have you heard have problems or have warranty issues?
    for use with a GEN VI BBC engine with a 3500 rpm stall speed on a 168 tooth flex plate Id welcome the info posted here.
    Obviously Id also like all the related info for the GEN IV BBC engines and CRANK assembly's as those are probably a bit more common

    http://transgo.com/4L80E_HD2Video.html

    http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4l80e.htm

    http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4L60E ... E_Swap.htm

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  14. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    For as Powerfull as You build your BBC Engines Grumpy with A wide band 650 + Ft/lb Average torque....
    I would only consider a Triple Disc Clutch Custom built TC.
    Carbon Fiber Friction lockup rated for 1500-2000 HP.
    You know then it won't fail ever.
    I think Precision Vigalante Converters are over rated.
    HUGHES Torque convertes.
    I will read & see what there using on Yellow BulletvDrag Racing.
    Its more like a Race Engine your BBC That idles decent.

    Any SFI Certified Flexplate should be OK.
    SCAT Would be my Choice. What I have for my SBC 410ci.
     
  15. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    If you Recall Steve R. I built the custom fuel pump for in his 1986 C4 Race Car,
    He had someone build him a custom C4 Shifter.
    Near idential to the Horseshoe 1970 SS Chevelle LS6 454 TH 400 Factory shifter.
    He is using a 4L80 E Reverse valvebody.
    He sent me several pics. I have to search for them.
    I talked to him Friday. Putting his 800HP 434CI Race car back together now.
    Should be done In June 2014.
     
  16. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    Coan Torque Converters have been an Old School Favorite here in IL with BBC & Sbc guys too Grumpy.
    More of an all out Drag Race use & extented RPM to 8k though.
    It might be worthwhile to Investigate what Pontiac V8 Racers use.
    You like mega torque everywhere. What Pontiacs do best most of them.
     
  17. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

  18. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    I am trying daily too Grumpy.
    I haven't had any decent sidejobs in months.
    Few daily drivers here & there.
    Steve has a spare protype C4 shifter 4L80E.
    Told me so.
    We chat here & there on the phone. Texting each other.
    Racing Proves All.
    Non believers are Now Sold.
    Its up to Phil & Me.
    He is Loyal to You & this Site as me.
     
  19. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    Junkman is a Key Figure finding Younger up & coming Racers in the Corvette World.
    Its his Personality.....he don't give up. Just as Us Grumpy.

    5.0 Mustang guys around yet.
    Need more Ford Power Tech.
    They like old race legends too...
     
  20. 87vette81big

    87vette81big Guest

    Re: anyone have experience converting a 4l80E to full manual

    Those God Damn Luberals Fickered up nearly All Grumpy.
    Its difficult to find guys local that have funds $ to build a Street performace-Race Engine, Automatic Trans, Rear Differential Right.
    On the Internet too.
    Best to take on Emergency Repairs. Your Very Good At that Too.
    Not quitting my Day Job as a Mechanic. Can't.
    Summer is almost here. Land some A/C Work. Simple grab the cash with Recharges.
    Lead to other repair jobs perhaps.
     

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