ATF for GM Only

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It was nice out today and I ate my Wheaties for breakfast. So I went nuts today changing oil and trans fluids on 4 of my cars and at the end of the day while filling out the service records on each car I realized I made an error on 3 TH400's. My 2012, 5.3 Ltr. with the 4L80E was first and tapped in a drain plug after all else was done. The rest are TH400s and did the same for all remaining 3 including using fully synthetic DEXRON VI as It was called for on the first change of the day and was out and ready to use. However
I should have used DEXRON II or III. Can the use of D VI just be considered a switch over to synthetic fluid and everything is good, or is synthetic unsuitable for the older generation transmissions?
 
from: http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...dexron-vi.html

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Although DEXRON-VI(fig. 1) was introduced into production starting with 2006 model year vehicles (see bulletin 04-07-30-037D), there are still some misunderstandings about it. Here are some facts to help clear up these misunderstandings.
Since GM introduced the first service-fill specification for automatic transmission fluid(ATF) in 1949, it has been necessary periodically to upgrade the specification as part of a continuous improvement strategy. The upgrading process ensures that available service fill fluids are of an appropriate quality for use in transmissions that have been designed around the improved factory fillfluid performance.

IMPORTANT: As with previous upgrades, DEXRON-VIfluids are designed to be backward compatible with earlier transmission hardware. But more important, earlier type fluids are NOT FORWARD COMPATIBLE with transmissions that were designed to use DEXRON-VI.
DEXRON-VIcan be used in any proportion in past model vehicles equipped with an automatic transmission, in place of DEXRON-III(for instance, topping off the fluid in the event of a repair or fluid change). DEXRON-VIis also compatible with any former version of DEXRON for use in automatic transmissions.

TIP: Simply topping off the fluid is adequate, but a full drain and replacement is preferred, to obtain the full benefit.

IMPORTANT: DEXRON-VI Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) is the only approved fluid for warranty repairs for GM transmissions requiring DEXRON-III or prior DEXRON transmission fluids.

TIP: Any vehicle that previously used DEXRON-III for a manualtransmission or transfer case should now use p/n 88861800 (88861801 in Canada) Manual Transmission and Transfer Case Fluid.

[NOTE] Since some early bulletins were issued, further validation has taken place and certain transfer cases and manual transmissions now DO useDEXRON-VI, so it's important to refer to the owner manual for appropriate recommendations.

Power steering systems should now use p/n 89020661 (89021183 in Canada) Power Steering Fluid.

TIP:
All licenses for DEXRON-III expired at the end of 2006 and will not be renewed. Fluids sold in the market after that date bearing claims such as "suitable for use in DEXRON-IIIapplications" or similar wording should be avoided, because 'DEXRON-III' fluids are no longer checked and policed by GM and therefore may not be the originally tested and approved formulation.

ADVANTAGES OF DEXRON-VI

GM uses an ATF for factory fillthat provides significantly improved performance in terms of friction durability, viscosity stability, aeration and foam control, and oxidation resistance. In addition, the fluid has the potential to enable improved fuel economy and extended drain intervals. The service fill specification for a fluid meeting these standards is designated as DEXRON-VI.

When compared with earlier automatic transmission fluids, DEXRON-VIoffers these improvements and benefits:

- enhanced performance of both new and older transmissions
- longer ATF life (160,000 km/100,000 miles normal, or 80,000 km/50,000 miles severe). It is important to refer to the owner manual because certain vehicles recommend a normal service drain interval of 150,000 miles (240,000 km).
- consistent shift quality throughout the life of the transmission
- extended transmission life.

To achieve these benefits, DEXRON-VIoffers significant improvements in these operating characteristics:

Friction Stability (improved 100%) -- Friction describes how the fluid behaves when transmission clutches or bands are engaged. A fluid with poor friction characteristics leads to grabbing, chattering and slipping (fig. 2).

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DEXRON-VIalso offers a 120% improvement in clutch durability (fig. 3).

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A DEXRON-III
B DEXRON-VI

A Clutch operated with DEXRON-III
B Clutch operated with DEXRON-VI

Viscosity Stability (greatly improved) -- Viscosity is a description of how thick or thin a fluid is at various temperatures. In a hydraulic system, components can function sluggishly or improperly when viscosity is wrong. As determined by comparison testing (fig. 4),

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DEXRON-VImaintains an almost constant viscosity over time, while the viscosity of DEXRON-IIIdegrades considerably.

A DEXRON-III
B DEXRON-VI

Foaming Resistance (improved 150%) -- Automatic transmission fluidmay contain air in three forms -- dissolved, entrained (aeration) and foam. Oil containing air doesn't do anything very well -- lubrication is affected, heat transfer in affected and pressures are unstable. Anti-foam additives are used to control and limit the effects of air in the fluid (fig. 5).

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A DEXRON-IIIfoam test
B DEXRON-VIfoam test

Oxidation Resistance (improved 100%) -- Oxidation describes the length of time it takes for a fluid to reach the end of its useful life. Oxidation generally occurs more quickly at higher temperatures (fig. 6).


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And oxidation has an effect on how long a fluid can be used before replacement is necessary.

A Aftermarket fluid oxidation test
B DEXRON-VIoxidation test

TIP: Just because another auto maker does not require use of DEXRON-VI, this does not imply that their required fluid is in any way inferior to or better than DEXRON-VI. It simply means that the other auto maker has established its own, unique fluid requirements. Their transmissions may be built with different materials, and may be designed to perform in different ways, neither of which is necessarily inferior to or better than GM's transmissions, just different. Variables include the material used for friction surfaces, the material used for reaction surfaces, the types of control mechanisms and the characteristics of the factory fillfluid. This means that each manufacturer must tailor their transmission fluidrequirements to meet the needs of their own transmissions. And a fluid may cause entirely different performance when installed into transmissions of different designs.

COUNTERFEIT PRODUCTS

Beware products that claim to be DEXRON-VIbut are not; for instance, some products claim to be multi-purpose. And beware the products which claim to provide DEXRON-VIcharacteristics when added to other ATFs. Unlicensed products have not been tested by GM to determine whether they meet GM's specifications.

ADDITIVES

DEXRON-VIis formulated to meet and exceed GM's specifications and requirements. Additives are not needed and are not recommended.
The best thing that can happen when using an additive is that it will do nothing. At worst, an additive can ruin the transmission.

DEALING WITH CONTAMINATION

Anything but DEXRON-VIin the automatic transmission is considered a contaminant. Typically, a customer or other service facility may add fluids other than DEXRON-VI. This includes aftermarket additives -- they are not needed and should not be used. In case like this:

- drain the transmission fluid
- flush the system with DEXRON-VI(NOT solvent)
- fill the system with the correct amount of DEXRON-VI.

FLUSHING

Many aftermarket flushing systems rely on solvents, which essentially may be considered contaminants. The effects of these contaminants may lead to transmission failure.
Refer to bulletin 02-07-30-052E and also document 1601517 for the complete story on using the Automatic Transmission Oil Cooler Flush And Flow Test Essential Tool J 45096 TransFlow. Here are some highlights.
Two significant features of the J 45096 are (1) that it uses DEXRON-VI, not solvent, as a flushing agent, and (2) that it injects high pressure air into the fluid stream to agitate the ATF oil to enhance removal of contaminated ATF and debris.

TIP: It is important to flush the system in both directions (back-flush and forward-flush). There are instructions in SI to explain how to make the proper hookups for both directions.
There are also instructions in SI explaining which adapters to use for various transmissions.

TIP: It is necessary to fabricate adapters for Vibe, Wave and Aveo, using instructions in SI. Also, although these vehicles have a slightly different transmission oil requirement, the small amount of DEXRON-VIremaining in the system after flushing is compatible.

In addition to the flushing capability, the J 45096 also has a digital flow meter to check and indicate the flow capability of the ATF oil cooling system.
Oil temperature has a direct bearing on flow rate, so SI explains several ways to ensure that the DEXRON-VIin the storage reservoir is suitably warm for an accurate test. And there is a table showing the minimum flow rate at various temperatures and for both steel and aluminum coolers.

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That being said there are no guarantees your old ass DEXRON III still has the stuff in it the DEX IIIlicense required since the DEX IIIlicense isEXPIRED. Also, DEXRON VIwas FACTORY FILLfor 2006 GTOs. Notice all the 100% or better improvements the DEX VI has over the III? Use it.

BTW, I get mine at VatoZone. I use the Coastal brand (by Warren Oil Company, not to be confused with Warren Distribution that makes the garbageWalmartSupertech stuff). It uses GM license J-60318. I've put it through the ringer in my built 65E with 4,200 loose stall and it holds up. Smelled good/looked good after 5,000 miles of abuse with runs up to 215-220'F. And at $5.69 a quart it meets all my demands. CLICK HERE to see if your preferred fluid has been licensed by GM.

Take note of the bolded Power Steeringfluid change. Use GM P/N: 89020661 (or continue to use DEX IIIif you trust the product maker). EDIT:After testing concluded Dex VI was safe for PS I now run Dex VI exclusively in my power steeringsystem. Do some research and use at your own risk if you have concerns.

Moral of the story: Dont garner one of those old guy mentalities of "it aint broke dont fix it!" or "its new fanged fluid and my manual says to useDex III!". For around the same price your shooting yourself in the foot if you DONT upgrade to the fluid that will handle the abuse far better. Especially in this high performance application.
 
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What I don't like about Dexton 6 ATF is that its engineered for Baby soft Upshifts .

I have been using Castrol ATF For a while. Don't care if its Dex 6 or not.
My 87 Corvette has Royal Purple ATF in it. Same fill as in 2010 when I rebuilt the 700R4 myself. Like the Shift feel.
 
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