It was back in the day for me Grumpy...late 1990s & up to 2002. In the Pontiac World Nostalgia Super Stock Race Cars Ruled ! High 9s, Low 9s all motor no power adder ! Then I met Crazy Ed at Winners Circle Speed shop. He was on the phone. Yelled F off *hung up. Waited on me. Rest is history. Still Race Cars as you know from present thread on DC !