component inspection,& potential re-use

grumpyvette

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jrf said:
let me ask you this Grumpy... hypothetically lets say I built this engine myself and recorded all the specs on assembly bolt stretch, clearances, journal sizes, bearings and everything. Can an engine be taken apart just for an inspection and then reassembled using the existing bearings, bolts, as long as all the specs are within the limits; rod bolts didn't stretch, bearings are still within specs that were recorded when assembled and so forth or does it all need to be thrown out and replaced with new?

in most cases, if you took the effort to carefully record and measure, you can carefully disassemble verify and re-use components, as long as they go back into the exact original locations, (especially flat tappet lifters) and in the case of moving components like rings and crank journals, rockers etc. you coat them generously with assembly lube again during the re-assembly, process,(obviously you need to label them) almost every component with the exception of GASKETS, and if you use COPPER head gaskets they can be cleaned and re-used up to 3-4 times, and one piece synthetic oil pan and valve cover gaskets can some times be reused
now obviously if you find wear indications, on components you might want to re-use, you should be looking into the cause of that wear as it is advisable and components should be carefully cleaned prior to re-use and re-assembly.keep in mind that while your assembling any engine correctly you've already pre-assembled and measured, dis-assembled and checked, then re-assembled most engines components several times , just to verify clearances and function, and if its been done correctly and all the pieces have the correct clearances etc. your not likely to hurt the engine checking once more after its run a bit and parts are lapped in.


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Its a fact of life that if you start pushing the engine performance to its limits that youll eventually have components fail, and that can get expensive rapidly.
But parts rarely just "FAIL" theres usually a REASON that parts fail,that can be traced to the CAUSE, thru a careful inspection.
the cause is frequently, use of the wrong component for the application, miss matched components ,improper installation, improper clearances , or lack of proper lubrication , or cooling ,are high on the list, but there's an opportunity to learn what went wrong and what process or clearance issue, lack of cooling or lubrication,or improper tuning caused the part to fail!
post very clear pictures of all damaged components, and theres a good chance the CAUSE will be indicated, by the type of failure or damage
if you don,t understand why a part failed and just blindly replace it, your certainly going to have similar failures operation under similar conditions with similar parts.
cams, lifters,rockers, valve springs, pistons, bearings and rings are the parts that generally take the most abuse so these components are the ones that tend to fail.
Having a constant flow of fairly cool, pressurized oil bathe over the surfaces of the moving components, keeping the coolant level below 210F most of the time and keeping the stress levels within reasonable limits reduces failures.
a great many people concentrate on installing things like radical cam profiles without taking the time to verify clearances, spring pressures, etc. thats a bit like building a car to go 150mph with out a seconds thought to having decent brakes and suspension, and its eventually going to result in problems in both cases.
If you are careful and inspect damaged parts you will frequently find the cause of the failure is obvious, some times its simply a lack of understanding of how to measure clearances

BTW Ive seen guys advise the use of lithium axle grease as bearing assembly lube on cams, lifters rockers and bearings occasionally, at times , this is VERY BAD ADVICE , ITS SIMPLY the wrong lubricant to be used, when guys substitute white lithium bearing grease for moly assembly lube, (white lithium bearing grease) is generally not automotive oil soluble,its a soap base grease, that clumps up like old peanut butter in the oil pan, and it quickly plugs oil passages, in lifters and, clogs filter mediums in oil filters, and can and does completely clog shrapnel screens causing oil to, fail to drain back into the oil pan sump, and it can and will clog oil pump pick-up screens
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ASSEMBLY LUBE USED ON CAMS AND LIFTERS ROCKERS< BEARINGS ETC. like CRANE CAM LUBE, has molybdenium disulfide in assembly lube, that helps maintain a strong heat resistant high pressure lubricating support film on sliding surfaces, BUT assembly lube is NOT INTERCHANGEABLE WITH MOLY AXLE GREASE
which has other ADDITIVES, in some cases its mixed with non-compatible lithium grease base,
you must use a moly based assembly lube thats designed to mix with automotive oil to provide a strong surface film on sliding surfaces
obviously buying an oil filter can opener tool, and doing some close personal inspection of what your dealing with won,t hurt.

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