Compression question

chromebumpers

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I stopped by a seller's place on the way home from work to check out a few engines for sale.
One bbc 454 had a tag, likely from a machine shop, it read: "Low compression block with High compression heads" that's it. I never heard of this and the seller couldn't explain. What's this about?
 
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I just heard that same thing on TV the other night. But I can't remember what show.
Probably MISFIT GARAGE.
 
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early big block heads used high compression small chamber 96cc-100cc combustion chambers (oval and rectangle port versions)
later heads were larger open chamber designs 112-123cc
some blocks used dished pistons, get dished pistons meant for the smaller heads matched to the later open chamber heads and you get an effective 6.6:1-8,0:1 compression

you need to know the casting numbers and what they tell you
there are no really bad big blocks,
(well except the 366 dump truck and school bus big blocks)
but some are far better choices than other,s for performance work


ANYTIME YOU GET TOTALLY UNEXPECTED RESULTS,
IN A CALCULATION RETRY IT WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT.
BUT SIMILAR FORMULAS OR CALCULATOR LINKS try this also

http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php

http://www.pcengines.com.au/calculators/Calculate%20dynamic%20Comp%20Ratio.htm

http://cochise.uia.net/pkelley2/DynamicCR.html

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...octane-for-compression-ratio.2718/#post-35581

http://www.steigerperformance.com/products/sp90005.html

https://www.uempistons.com/index.php?main_page=calculators&zenid=1e826335bfac0f356463eabed4958558

http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced Engine Tuning/Static vs Dynamic.html

http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/cam-tech-c.htm

having a half dozen reference books won,t hurt when shopping
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...s-to-casting-numbers-and-info.632/#post-55259

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/big-block-chevy-info.710/#post-55317

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/vin-casting-info.10474/#post-44012

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/casting-numbers-vin.93/#post-29982
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http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/compression_calculator.html

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/a-few-calculator-links.7108/#post-27382

http://www.projectpontiac.com/ppsite15/compression-ratio-calculator

http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/comprAdvHD.htm

http://performancetrends.com/Compression_Ratio_Calculator_V2.3.htm

http://www.wallaceracing.com/cr_test2.php

http://www.pcengines.com.au/calculators/Calculate dynamic Comp Ratio.htm

http://www.csgnetwork.com/compcalc.html

http://www.diamondracing.net/tools/

https://www.uempistons.com/index.php?main_page=calculators&type=comp

https://www.rbracing-rsr.com/compstaticcalc.html

While cheat sheets might have frowned upon in your sixth-grade classroom, we strongly encourage them in the garage, shop, or pits. That’s why we’ve put together this list of 13 key performance formulas you should know when building or tuning your street or race vehicle.

Read it, print it out, and tape it to your beer fridge. (Quick—while your sixth grade teacher isn’t looking!)

Racing Carburetor CFM
Racing Carburetor CFM = RPM x Displacement ÷ 3456 x 1.1
Note: Summit Racing also offers this CFM Calculator to make the job easier.

Displacement
Displacement = .7854 x Bore2 x Stroke x Number of Cylinders

Correct Compression Ratio (CCR)
CCR = FCR (Altitude/1,000) x .2
Note: You can also take this Compression Ratio Calculator tool for a spin.

Tire Diameter
Tire Diameter = (MPH x Gear Ratio x 336) ÷ RPM

Rocker Arm Ratio and Valve Lift
Gross Valve Lift = Camshaft Lobe Lift x Rocker Arm Ratio

Horsepower
Horsepower = (RPM x Torque) ÷ 5,252

Torque
Torque = (5,252 x HP) ÷ RPM

Rod Ratio
Rod Ratio = Rod Length ÷ Crank Stroke Length

Average Piston Speed
Average Piston Speed = Crank Stroke x RPM ÷ 6

Rear Gear Ratio
Rear Gear Ratio = (RPM at Finish Line x Tire Diameter) ÷ (MPH x 336)
Note: You can also save this link to a handy Gear Ratio calculator.

Volume (CCs) of Deck Clearance
CCs of Deck Clearance = Bore x Bore x 12.87 x Depth of Deck Clearance

Volume (CCs) of Head Gasket
CCs of Head Gasket = Bore x Bore x 12.87 x Thickness of Head Gasket
 
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Is the low compression block, to do with the pistons in it..? Maybe dished..

and the high compression heads, could be the shape and size of the chambers..?

Nevermind..... Grumpy was online and beat me to it... ;)
 
I still don't get if this low compression Pistons, high compression heads as a way of building is worthwhile simply because this is the first I heard, saw or read about.
Another first, I gave the guy everything I had on me yesterday for a good faith deposit on a 426 Hemi, numbers match it to 69 GTX. I've taken the afternoon off to get it home today or loose my deposit. I haven't seen a 426 motor for sale since I was a kid. This place is like a great candy store with so many things I never heard or saw anywhere. The biggest problem is I'm not up on most of what's there.
 
Good luck on the Hemi !!

On the Chevy thing, from 1971 on, all passenger car engines had lower compression.

The car block remained the same, so compression ratio was determined by the pistons and cylinder head combustion chamber.

As 1970 was the only year for 454 engines to have high compression, a common up grade was to install earlier 396-427-454 (1965-1970) heads on a 1971 or newer 454 to regain some compression.

Original high compression, say 10.25 to 1, was obtained both through domed pistons and smaller (closed) combustion chamber heads.

Special High performance engines, say 375 HP, 396, 425 HP, 427 OR 450 HP 454 used even higher domes on the piston to achieve approx. 11 to 1.

The Off Road L 88, 430 HP, 427, had even higher compression, 12.5 to 1, using very high domed pistons with open chamber (low compression) heads.

The basic open chamber design was carried over to the 1971 and newer engines with flat top, or even dished pistons lowering compression ratio considerably.

The one exception was the 1971 LS6, 425 H.P., 454, 9 to 1, with small dome pistons and open chamber heads.

Many 454 H.O. and 502 crate engines follow this small dome and open chamber design.

A basic flat top 454 short block with closed chamber heads can yield approx. 9 to 1 compression ratio.

The engine tag probably reflected this combination, head casting #'s would verify.

Spark plugs are another clue, as long reach, 44 XLS style plugs were only used in closed chamber heads.

1970 was the start of the short tapered seat R44TS style plugs so there are some closed chamber heads used Tapered Seat Spark plugs.

Note: All GM H.P. and compression ratios are for comparison/identification purposes rather than actual facts!!

Thanks
Randy
 
Thanks Randy, great explanation. I went ready to pick up the 426 and told the guy I 'll be there in 20 min.
When I get there he's on the phone, apparently with someone that is out bidding me. I wanted the motor so badly I broke all my own rules for dealing with these situations. So I decided to just bid it up more than double what the original price was and I said I'm done. Now I have to argue with the asshole to get my $350 deposit back. Knowing it wouldn't do any good I threatened to get the cops there and then he conceded and gave me my money back in all small bills $5, $10 and a couple twenties when I gave him 3 $100s and a 50.
The phone rang late tonight, I didn't pick it up but listened to the message. The other deal fell through, I can have the motor at the price before I stopped. I have no intention of calling him back.
 
God Damn Richard.....

Shit.

I know where there is Hemi 426 engine.
Its in Peoria Illinois .
Where Mopar Bob picked up his 1970 Charger SE 383 Magnum 727 Torqueflite A/C Car. Plum Crazy paint original .
This was back in 2013.
Guy has lots of Mopars & Parts.

If your with me in person , . . . I don't call the Cops.
Mopar Bob does not either.
We Fight......not a threat. Its A promise.
Gonna Knock your Head off MOFO.
JUST LIKE DIGITAL CORVETTE.

FAGS THAT CALL THE COPS WE BEAT UP TOO.
 
I'm not going to chance getting assault charges. Don't forget, my day job theses days is Officer of the Court, I can't be caught acting like Popeye & Bluto.
 
I see some on eBay. They seem to always have serious issues many times with freeze cracks in the blocks. "Oh just needs a little welding" the sellers say.
 
I'm looking at a car today that has me very curious. It's a 2002 T/A convertible with the WS6 option. Missing the rear window sitting at an impounded lot and very dirty it is sworn to be only 60,000 miles. The price is $1900 first come. The lot manager says the car has keys that need to be programmed to the car so right now it can't start.
 
Good Luck today Richard.
Maybe Auctions are safer.
Just have to pay $.
 
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