http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/cus ... ead/nRLjK/
IF YOU CARRY THIS MIGHT INTEREST YOU
"heres my take!"
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry ... _maps.html
https://economics.nd.edu/assets/165124/craig_chval_concealed_carry_laws_bernoulli.pdf
NORMAL PEOPLE, in my opinion , just don,t go around shooting other people or wanting to harm, or rob and rape other people, but in the real world there are a small percentage of EVIL PEOPLE who WILLINGLY LOOK TOO PREY ON THOSE THEY PERCEIVE AS WEAK AND VULNERABLE" and thats always been and always will be true!
while almost ALL of my friends have a CCW license, and almost ALL of us carry a heavy caliber handgun concealed ,almost 100% of the time ,for the same reason most people have a fire extinguisher in there home, IE
" if you need it you'll need it immediately, you'll need it very badly, you won,t have time to go looking for it and , not having it handy may cost you dearly" I don,t see the need for the regular expectation of exposed carry of long guns in public, and yes that would make me personally feel a bit less secure if some stranger walked up too me carrying a AR, or AK,on his shoulder or a 45 on his hip exposed , simply because "I DON,T KNOW YOU" I expect a high percentage of adult males to be carrying CONCEALED,but I think open carry INTIMIDATES the members of society that are less familiar with firearms so its going to present a negative impression,in many cases, thus best avoided. but I also don,t think it should be a "CRIME", its more of a socially unacceptable practice, in most cases, any place but on your own property or in places it would be considered appropriate like in rural areas where you hunt , camp or fish.
http://ccwsafe.com/
in florida if some moron comes into a store waving a firearm and either starts shooting or just points a firearm at anyone, thats intent to do major bodily harm and hes fair game for anyone to stop by what ever means available
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/florida-self-defense-law.htm
By removing ambiguities regarding legal responses to imminent threats to life and property and removing an obligation to retreat, the law attempts to rebalance justice on behalf of innocent, law-abiding Floridians.
Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law:
It Ain’t What the Bradys Say It Is
Most readers of this website will not be surprised that some anti-gun advocates have serious difficulties with facts, truth, logic and the derivatives thereof. Still, Brady bunch* attacks on Florida’s new self-defense law, which took effect on October 1, are so viciously misleading as to eliminate any credibility the group has or ever again will have, even among the more responsible of their own kind. Given the brevity and simplicity of the law, so clearly distorted by the Bradys, the cynical calculation of the group has to be that no one will actually read it.
On its website, in newspaper ads and in flyers handed out in Florida airports to inbound tourists, the Bradys repeatedly label the law as the “Shoot First” law and warn visitors not to argue with, shout at or make threatening gestures to “local people.” A Florida map is made to resemble a handgun. There’s more misrepresentative, hyperbolic scare-mongering.
The Florida law is not a gun law. Period. It contains zero references to guns or shooting, unless you feel propagandistically compelled to count one of those ubiquitous legislative “Whereases” that references the Florida Constitution’s “right of the people to bear arms…”
The Florida law is a self-defense, self-protection law. It has four key components:
It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.
In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.
Florida’s law, like countless others from legislative sausage grinders, could have been better drafted. It unquestionably will be challenged in court, over and over again, by those who abhor even the concept of applied individual self-defense or by legal gadflies with nothing better to do with their time.
It is a tough law — on those with criminal intent. As is often the case, its ultimate goal is as much to deter as to be used. Whether it ever results in much change remains to be seen. But by removing ambiguities regarding legal responses to imminent threats to life and property and removing an obligation to retreat, the law attempts to rebalance justice on behalf of innocent, law-abiding Floridians, as well as the state’s numerous law-abiding visitors, specifically included. Whether those visitors are comforted or frightened by the law should be based on accurately understanding it, not blatant attempts by a faltering advocacy group to harm Florida tourism.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry ... _maps.html
NOTICE OBAMAS ILLINOIS
http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158659
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/rahmaland-deadliest-alpha-city-in-world.html
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...y-a-spare-magazine-for-your-ccw-pistol.13934/
https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/
that simply means that , in florida if you see someone being robbed,raped or in danger of being killed with a weapon, or your being attacked,where loss of life or very serious bodily harm is the likely result, in any place you have a legal right to be at, you have the option to step in and prevent the crime without worrying about being sued, which is the way things should be!
look at chicago, and washington D.C. the public is disarmed and likely to be sued if they resist, in an assault, criminals run the streets as a result... you don,t last long as a violent criminal in florida with our three strikes laws and the concealed weapons in the hands of about 1 out of 14 adults the chances of being killed in an assault or thrown in jail for life reduces crime......KEEP IN MIND GUN CONTROL IS ABOUT MAKING YOU TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT< NOT ABOUT REDUCING CRIME
look at the results of dis arming the average citizen , if criminals by definition ignore laws, what you get, thru gun control, is a vast collections of easy victims and a government powerless to actually prevent violence, and a population powerless to defend them selves thats dependent on police that can,t and won,t be responsible
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2012/8/
IF YOU CARRY THIS MIGHT INTEREST YOU
"heres my take!"
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry ... _maps.html
https://economics.nd.edu/assets/165124/craig_chval_concealed_carry_laws_bernoulli.pdf
NORMAL PEOPLE, in my opinion , just don,t go around shooting other people or wanting to harm, or rob and rape other people, but in the real world there are a small percentage of EVIL PEOPLE who WILLINGLY LOOK TOO PREY ON THOSE THEY PERCEIVE AS WEAK AND VULNERABLE" and thats always been and always will be true!
while almost ALL of my friends have a CCW license, and almost ALL of us carry a heavy caliber handgun concealed ,almost 100% of the time ,for the same reason most people have a fire extinguisher in there home, IE
" if you need it you'll need it immediately, you'll need it very badly, you won,t have time to go looking for it and , not having it handy may cost you dearly" I don,t see the need for the regular expectation of exposed carry of long guns in public, and yes that would make me personally feel a bit less secure if some stranger walked up too me carrying a AR, or AK,on his shoulder or a 45 on his hip exposed , simply because "I DON,T KNOW YOU" I expect a high percentage of adult males to be carrying CONCEALED,but I think open carry INTIMIDATES the members of society that are less familiar with firearms so its going to present a negative impression,in many cases, thus best avoided. but I also don,t think it should be a "CRIME", its more of a socially unacceptable practice, in most cases, any place but on your own property or in places it would be considered appropriate like in rural areas where you hunt , camp or fish.
http://ccwsafe.com/
in florida if some moron comes into a store waving a firearm and either starts shooting or just points a firearm at anyone, thats intent to do major bodily harm and hes fair game for anyone to stop by what ever means available
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/florida-self-defense-law.htm
By removing ambiguities regarding legal responses to imminent threats to life and property and removing an obligation to retreat, the law attempts to rebalance justice on behalf of innocent, law-abiding Floridians.
Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law:
It Ain’t What the Bradys Say It Is
Most readers of this website will not be surprised that some anti-gun advocates have serious difficulties with facts, truth, logic and the derivatives thereof. Still, Brady bunch* attacks on Florida’s new self-defense law, which took effect on October 1, are so viciously misleading as to eliminate any credibility the group has or ever again will have, even among the more responsible of their own kind. Given the brevity and simplicity of the law, so clearly distorted by the Bradys, the cynical calculation of the group has to be that no one will actually read it.
On its website, in newspaper ads and in flyers handed out in Florida airports to inbound tourists, the Bradys repeatedly label the law as the “Shoot First” law and warn visitors not to argue with, shout at or make threatening gestures to “local people.” A Florida map is made to resemble a handgun. There’s more misrepresentative, hyperbolic scare-mongering.
The Florida law is not a gun law. Period. It contains zero references to guns or shooting, unless you feel propagandistically compelled to count one of those ubiquitous legislative “Whereases” that references the Florida Constitution’s “right of the people to bear arms…”
The Florida law is a self-defense, self-protection law. It has four key components:
It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.
In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all costs of defense.
Florida’s law, like countless others from legislative sausage grinders, could have been better drafted. It unquestionably will be challenged in court, over and over again, by those who abhor even the concept of applied individual self-defense or by legal gadflies with nothing better to do with their time.
It is a tough law — on those with criminal intent. As is often the case, its ultimate goal is as much to deter as to be used. Whether it ever results in much change remains to be seen. But by removing ambiguities regarding legal responses to imminent threats to life and property and removing an obligation to retreat, the law attempts to rebalance justice on behalf of innocent, law-abiding Floridians, as well as the state’s numerous law-abiding visitors, specifically included. Whether those visitors are comforted or frightened by the law should be based on accurately understanding it, not blatant attempts by a faltering advocacy group to harm Florida tourism.
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry ... _maps.html
NOTICE OBAMAS ILLINOIS
http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158659
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/rahmaland-deadliest-alpha-city-in-world.html
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...y-a-spare-magazine-for-your-ccw-pistol.13934/
https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/
that simply means that , in florida if you see someone being robbed,raped or in danger of being killed with a weapon, or your being attacked,where loss of life or very serious bodily harm is the likely result, in any place you have a legal right to be at, you have the option to step in and prevent the crime without worrying about being sued, which is the way things should be!
look at chicago, and washington D.C. the public is disarmed and likely to be sued if they resist, in an assault, criminals run the streets as a result... you don,t last long as a violent criminal in florida with our three strikes laws and the concealed weapons in the hands of about 1 out of 14 adults the chances of being killed in an assault or thrown in jail for life reduces crime......KEEP IN MIND GUN CONTROL IS ABOUT MAKING YOU TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT< NOT ABOUT REDUCING CRIME
look at the results of dis arming the average citizen , if criminals by definition ignore laws, what you get, thru gun control, is a vast collections of easy victims and a government powerless to actually prevent violence, and a population powerless to defend them selves thats dependent on police that can,t and won,t be responsible
http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2012/8/
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