concealed weapons work

Id say upwards of 80% of my friends have concealed carry licences (that INCLUDES THE WIVES)and most of us carry daily and have for decades.
both my sons ,their wives, my wife, myself and every one of my neighbors that I know,everyone in my hunt club, most of the guys I build engines for etc.
the problem is NOT firearms its a lack of respect for other humans and/or an unfamiliarity with firearms, if YOU don,t choose to carry and train THATS your choice, but don,t try and cram your beliefs down anyone elses throat.
gun control enthusiast's always predict blood ankle deep, in the streets if concealed carry laws are passed yet in every state that has concealed carry laws the crime and murder rate has dropped


IN What will certainly be gun control advocates' new least favorite study, Quinnipiac University’s Mark Gius found not only that states with restrictive concealed weapons laws had higher gun-related murder rates, but that assault weapons bans had no significant impact on murder rates at the state level.

The study by economist Mark Gius, published in Applied Economics Letters, sought to “determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state murder rates,” using extensive data from a thirty-year period, 1980-2009. In the abstract for the study, Gius sums up the findings:



Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states. It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level.

Gius notes that these results are consistent with previous research, specifically citing the work by John R. Lott and David B. Mustard.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...equal-more-crime-might-not-want-to-read-this/

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down

http://humanevents.com/2014/01/03/study-shows-concealed-carry-laws-result-in-fewer-murders/

http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carry-130-violent-crime-murder-22-since-2007/

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_information.html

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/ShallIssue.htm

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/
 
yeah! theres only a few people that think being able to protect their family is important enough to DO SOME PREP WORK

BTW the NUMBERS posted below ARE ALL LOW AND OUT OF DATE, but the best chart I found
CURRENT FLORIDA NUMBERS SLIGHTLY EXCEED 1,600,000 according to the papers a few months back, and the rate of applications is brisk

State Active
Permits
Data
Updated
Alabama 379,917 7/12
Alaska† 8,000 5/14
Arizona† 222,191 6/14
Arkansas† 165,248 3/14
California 35,000 9/11
Colorado 170,636 12/13
Connecticut 203,989 2/14
Delaware 5,000 9/11
Florida 1,278,246 12/13
Georgia 600,000 9/11
Hawaii 183 1/10
Idaho 85,535 12/12
Illinois 33,631 1/14
Indiana 537,964 12/13
Iowa 201,901 12/13
Kansas 75099 12/13
Kentucky 203,266 12/12
Louisiana 136,505 12/13
Maine 33,000 12/13
Maryland 14,298 04/14
Massachusetts 251,000 07/12
Michigan 430,095 03/14
Minnesota 163,758 02/14
Mississippi 63,900 12/11
Missouri 171,000 2/13
Montana †† 38,616 2/14
Nebraska 30,505 12/2013
Nevada 80,892 2/14
New Hampshireº 10,133 12/13
New Jersey 1,212 ‘12-‘13
New Mexico 37,579 1/14
New York¥
NYC 5,700 12/10
North Carolina 570,464 05/14
North Dakota 30,997 2/14
Ohio 391,816 9/13
Oklahoma 191,263 3/14
Oregon 194,162 7/13
Pennsylvania 872,277 12/12
Rhode Island 3,280 2/14
 
fatguyzinc said:
this JUST happened an hour ago, im still shaky. MPD just left after i filled out a police report.

this morning i was cutting some trees before it gets too hot, and i saw a white ford ranger drive up our street ( its a dead end and we own the last half and 1 side /end of the cul-de-sac. ) it didnt come back out after a few minutes, so i wandered over to the street and looked up towards the cul-de-sac.

it was parked blocking our driveway. no one was near the truck. and ive seen this truck creep around our street before.

i thought "hmmm, thats weird..." and walked back the other way to go around the side of the house and see if anyone was at the door. ( its a bit shorter that way than walking up the last half of the street--plus i had that funny little 'danger' vibe going off. )

since i had been cutting trees i had a small hatchet in my hand and kept it with me. and i ALWAYS carry the sigsauer P250 in .45 auto in my back pocket...thank god for that. remember, this is 8:30 am on a sunday on my OWN property...

anyway, as i cleared around the last rear corner of the house, i saw two guys looking into moms master bedroom window. of course i immedietly said loudly "hey what the fuck are you guys doing"...

the two guys looked up and saw me, and one guy said something like " oh, are you the owner" as they started spreading out away from each other. that was when i noticed two things:
#1- they were both wearing rubber gloves.
#2-one guy had a bat and the other had a machete held down next to his leg.
thank goodness we were still 20 feet apart...

i dropped the hatchet and pulled the sig out, and chambered a round ( no safety--its a 'squeeze cocker' full time double action ) and pointed it straight at the face of the guy with the machete.

i didnt even say one fucking word.

they started stammering about looking for so-and-so, must be the wrong house, and a bunch of other bullshit and took off running for their truck. i followed slowly to make sure they got in and took the license plate number. ( surprise, cop said it was a stolen plate when they ran it. )

im still shaking so hard i had to retype most of this cause im miss-spelling them so much.
when they ran, they dropped a backpack near the window they were looking in and the bat.

i didnt even realize they had a bag, much less dropped it. tunnel vision.
the cops opened the backpack and it had some big nylon zip-ties, a roll of duct tape, a set of handcuffs, rope and a couple of 55 gallon plastic trashbags in it.

im pretty sure i was *THAT* close to dying today.
i think i need to move here or have mom move back with us, im not leaving her alone here anymore.

thank god i always carry...that habit literally just saved my life. holy shit.




being aware of your surroundings all the time is critical, failing to be alert can get you killed!
glad it came out without harm
you would be absolutely amazed at the number of times things like that either go un-reported or the guy who confronted some creeps who were contemplating violence or theft, never knew that simply your mental attitude (of not being easily intimidated) even if no one ever saw a firearm, has prevented a great many crimes
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criminals prefer helpless victims, they can intimidate or butcher at little risk,
they don,t want to fight of confront an armed opponent
 





being aware of your surroundings all the time is critical, failing to be alert can get you killed!
glad it came out without harm
you would be absolutely amazed at the number of times things like that either go un-reported or the guy who confronted some creeps who were contemplating violence or theft, never knew that simply your mental attitude (of not being easily intimidated) even if no one ever saw a firearm, has prevented a great many crimes
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criminals prefer helpless victims, they can intimidate or butcher at little risk,
they don,t want to fight of confront an armed opponent
I don't see How I missed Zincs Post on DC Last month Grumpy.
Must have been busy working on C3 Corvette Diffs .
I would have shot Both.
Sometimes Good to Leave 1 Alive but Maimed for Life. Good Warning that lasts forever.
Not proper but I don't care.
 
Getting Real Tired of Chigago Luberal Morons too.
Drop dead A-Ok.
 
[QUOTE="Vette_Newb"2]

Obama failed: in the aftermath of the 2012 Newtown, CT school massacre which left 26 unarmed, defenseless people dead, the president pushed as hard as he could to pass legislation that would enact strict gun control and further limit the applicability of the Second Amendment. Not only did he not succeed, but according to a 2014 Pew Research Poll there has been a 9% rise in the number of Americans who think gun ownership could "protect people from becoming victims of crime."

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Incidentally, this conforms with what former Texas governor Rick Perry, and a 2016 GOP presidential candidate, said after last week's deadly shooting at a Lafayette, La., movie theater when he claimed that Americans should be allowed to bring guns into movie theaters - and everywhere else - to prevent such crime.

It is also a recapitulation of what NRA head Wayne LaPierre has said in the past: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

According to Pew, the recent shift was driven by republicans who have become even more convinced their outlook is correct: in the two years since the Newtown attack, rose from 63 percent to 80 percent.

The poll also marked the first time in two decades of Pew surveys that more Americans supported gun rights rather than gun control (though public opinion had been shifting that way for years).

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Incidentally, WaPo which caught these revelations first, despite its anti-gun bias was largely accurate in its conclusion: the findings "likely won't move the needle on gun debate. Both sides can -- and are -- using these two most recent incidents to argue their points: Gun-control supporters say they prove that the background check system needs to be revamped and expanded, while gun-rights supporters say a slip in the system does not a trend make.


It's even clearer that gun laws likely won't change when you zoom out to Americans' overall feelings on guns; with every mass shooting, in fact, we seem to be embracing the idea of more guns rather than fewer.

Which means that the biggest loser is none other than the president, for whom his way of gun-control was one of the key targets, so to say, of his tenure.

It also means that current and future mass shootings will do nothing to change public opinion but merely further solidify beliefs. And while politicians debate who is right or wrong, and for what reason, many more innocent Americans will be, for whatever the reason may be, innocent casualties of what has become a very lethal political war.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-27/majority-americans-now-see-guns-solution-mass-shootings[/QUOTE]
 
Yeah, letting people carry concealed will result in rivers of blood in the streets.

NOT.

BUT IT's Maryland's favorite mantra. Gun bans have worked so well in this state too; just look at Baltimore.
(and a few more democrat run cities with strict gun control)

http://chamspage.blogspot.com/2014/12/2015-baltimore-city-homicidesmurders.html
CHICAGO
http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/homicides

"According to a new report, over the last eight years concealed handguns permits have increased from 4.6 million to over 12.8 million, while murder rates have decreased from 5.6 killings per 100,000 people to 4.2.

The report, released by the Crime Prevention Research Center on Wednesday, looked at the numbers from 2007 to 2015, and
found that while concealed carry permits are at an all-time high, murder rates have dropped by about 25 percent.

The report also found that over the last year, “1.7 million additional new permits have been issued,” marking a 15.4 percent increase, which is the “largest ever single-year increase in the number of concealed handgun permits.”"


http://truthinmedia.com/report-murder-rates-fall-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise/
 
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last night my B.I.L may have prevented a rather serious violent crime from occurring,
my B.I.L. had invited us out to an CHRISTMAS PARTY, company night out,
at a local steak/house, everything seemed to go fairly smoothly and I thanked him,
as we left the restaurant front door,and walked the wife back to our car.
parked out front,my brother in law had only found parking in the back lot area.
as he walked back to his car , parked behind the restaurant, un-known too him an employee was being fired,
that employee went to his car and grabbed a machete, and started back towards the restaurant rear door,
just as my B.I.L. was walking past. the idiot raised his machete, and started cussing at my B.I.L. as he advanced, my brother in law,
said he reacted by dropping to a kneeling position and grabbing his ankle holstered 357 mag snubbie revolver, drawing it and flicked on the lazer.
shining it in the guys eyes , by the time he got it pointed he said several people in the area were screaming and several were using cell phones to dial 911.
the bright lazer in the guys eyes and my B.I.L. saying loudly, too the guy, that if he advanced any further, he would be forced to fire seemed to cause the guy to stop.
police sirens started being heard approaching, and as it became all too obvious that police arrival was eminent the guy, seemed to grasp the situation,
and he ran and jumped into his car and sped off. as the police arrived several people had video of the guys licence number ,and the confrontation.
but I only heard about this after the guy left, once my B.I.L., called us, as we were already in my car and pulling out of the parking lot.
my B.I.L. decided he did not want to get further involved so he holstered the pistol got in his car and left, figuring that there was enough video and witnesses.
and if he could avoid it he was just happy nothing really needed to be done by him, this was but a close call, too being forced into defending himself, that had happened.
he has not heard anything further yet! (but expects too eventually)
you have to wonder what would have happened if no one was rational and hesitant to use force unless there was no other option, was armed, in that situation,
just because you carry certainly does not suggest you want to shoot, someone!
any sane person would go to great effort to avoid that happening.
I asked him how close the guy got and he said about 8-9 feet, he only got that close, because MY B.I.L. was kneeling and could not easily back away, because he prefers an ankle holster.
(hes rethinking that today)
 
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014...y-permits-surges-as-violent-crime-rate-drops/

WASHINGTON (CBS DC) — A surge in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with a significant drop in violent crime in the U.S., a new report finds.

The “Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States” report from the Crime Prevention Research Center released Wednesday analyzed parallels between a 22 percent drop in the overall violent crime rate in the same time period in which the percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits soared by 130 percent.


The report finds that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, which are up from 4.5 million in 2007. This 146 percent increase parallels a nearly one-quarter (22 percent) drop in both murder and violent crime rates during the same time period.

Regarding right-to-carry laws as a form of deterrence to violent crime, the study authors note that the large majority of peer-reviewed academic studies conclude that permitted concealed handguns reduce violent crime. Those debates center around those who claim concealed handgun permits reduce crime and those who say it has no effect. The CPRC report focuses on states that allow right-to-carry permits and states that don’t require permits for concealed weapons rather than just the amount of permits.

Additionally, the report notes that the number of concealed carry permit holders “is likely much higher than 11.1 million,” because numbers are not available for all statues that issue permits, such as New York. And four states and the vast majority of Montana don’t require residents to have a permit to carry concealed handguns within the state – most of those permits are issued to carry outside the state.

Using that foundation, the report finds that the six states that allow people to carry concealed handguns without a permit have much lower murder and violent crime rates than the six states with the lowest permit rates. Additionally, the murder rate is nearly one-quarter (23 percent) lower in states not requiring permits, and the violent crime rate is 12 percent lower.

The murder and violent crime rates are lower in the 25 states with the highest permit rates compared to the rest of the U.S.

“When you allow people to carry concealed handguns, you see changes in the behavior of criminals,” John R. Lott, the center’s president, told Fox News. “Some criminals stop committing crimes, others move on to crimes in which they don’t come into contact with victims and others actually move to areas where they have less fear of being confronted by armed victims.”

Although cautioning that nationwide “simple cross-sectional comparisons” can present misleading data, the report used new state -level permit data from 2007 on to determine that for each one percentage point increase in the percent of the U.S. adult population holding permits is roughly paralleled with a 1.4 percent drop in the murder rate.

“We found that the size of the drop [in crime] is directly related to the percentage of the population with permits,” Lott told Fox News.

A few highlights of the concealed carry data by state: Florida has issued the most concealed carry permits at 1.28 million, although South Dakota, Indiana and Alabama all sit above 10 percent for the state’s population that holds concealed carry permits. Eight percent or more of the population in 10 states hold concealed carry permits.

The number of permits increased by roughly 2.7 million permit holders in 1999 to 4.6 million eight years later in 2007. But in December 2011, the federal Government Accountability Office estimated that there were at least 8 million concealed handgun permits, and by June 2014 that number had increased beyond 11.1 million U.S. adults.

The CPRC notes on its website that much of the academic research on gun data is supported by foundations and funding that are more interested in researching gun violence and gun control legislation rather than purely scientific analysis of guns, crime and public safety. In addition to founding the CPRC, Dr. John R. Lott, Jr. is an economist, crime expert and author of books including “More Guns, Less Crime,” “The Bias Against Guns,” and “Freedomnomics.”
 
Better off not discussing Politics on Facebook.

There are none from My Generation X left on forums.
Except the Trans Am Forum.

Your Generation is so Anti Drag Race Grumpy.
You witness on DC.

Find my Gen on Facebook.
None throw a hissy discussing drag racing or street racing there.
 
most guys my age are NOT opposed to drag racing, we are just experienced enough to build rather nice and expensive cars,
and most will not willingly risk ,the cars or potential legal issues, that might arise for no potential profit.
if you get that expensive car damaged or confiscated, or your arrested, for street racing.
most older and experienced guys with nice cars that invested years, of effort and tens of thousands of dollars,
just don,t feel the risk of racing on the street is not all that worth while
 
most guys my age are NOT opposed to drag racing, we are just experienced enough to build rather nice and expensive cars,
and most will not willingly risk ,the cars or potential legal issues, that might arise for no potential profit.
if you get that expensive car damaged or confiscated, or your arrested, for street racing.
most older and experienced guys with nice cars that invested years, of effort and tens of thousands of dollars,
just don,t feel the risk of racing on the street is not all that worth while
Trophy cars at shows.
Thats it.
Its true.
Think about it.
 
I just do not belong on any Corvette based Forum Grumpy.
I do not fit in.
Never have.
I never will.

I can not change who I am .
To appease them is a Lie to myself.

Just going to have to find someone else to take my place on Digital Corvette.
There is no one else like me with all my talents and experience.

I am a Pontiac Guy with a Corvette.

When Gunny called my Pontiac Trans Am a Piece of shit its over.
Never respect him ever again.
He started it.

He can not take my place either.
 
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