Crossfire sleeper

Kane

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Yes... there are lots of threads about the crossfire. And yes, I could have swapped in an LSx and been done, but the goal here has been to retain the character of the car- to include the twin TBI set up. The car has been in my family for 27 years (we were the second owners). It was also the car I learned how to drive on. Lots of sentimental value.

And that's where making it a sleeper of sorts comes in. I wanted it to LOOK factory as much as possible- yet run like a totally different car. That meant a lot of trade-offs, but I think I have it where I want it.

It's been about two years since I started on the 82 Vette. I posted a couple of times about it and have some updates on it.

Well, I have squeezed out 5.2- 5.4 0-60mp times on a 325hp/373lbs-ft torque motor with a bigger cam, 255/60/15s, stock heads, stock suspension, and stock exhaust pipes (sans converter). It will run closed loop nicely at idle and cruise and then 12.2-ish : 1 AFR at WOT using a tweaked iron head '86 Vette spark table.

•Custom Bored 690 CFM TBI Units (retain the balance ports)
•.465” IN /.488” EX 112 LSA Erson Cam
•Dynamic EFI EBL Flash ECM
•Custom Variable Air Fuel Pressure Regulator (VAFPR)
•Dynamic Crossfire Solutions Renegade Intake
•90lb Fuel Injectors
•TT-1 Wideband O2 Sensor
•B&M Governor (5,400rpm 1-2 Shift)
•31gph 1985 Corvette Fuel Pump
•IAT Sensor
•Dewitt’s Aluminum Radiator
•Custom 140mph Speedometer & 5,500rpm Red Line Tachometer
•3.73 : 1 Axle Ratio

Attached is an edited screenshot of the WUD data log (Dynamic EFI EBL) where you can see at the 2 second mark where I push it to WOT from a dead stop and then at 7.4 second mark it hits 60mph. This was on a 90* day and a warm transmission.

FYI- It was in closed loop and leaning out the mixture right before I went to WOT, consequently the AFR went a little lean just as the ECM went into AE ahead of PE mode. But it settles real quick into & around the desired AFR.
 

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Close up of the GM marine fuel pressure regulator / VAFPR mod...
 

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The Renegade intake was critical to getting to something that would work and look OEM-ish retaining the factory air cleaner.

Also, I have eliminated the fresh air door & solenoid and closed off the snorkel so that it pulls air through the fresh air chamber all the time. To do this and get a decent CTS/IAT bias, the IAT sits down by the sway bar in front of the radiator in the path of incoming air. The bias is set to point more to the CTS at lower GM Secs and then more toward the IAT during WOT.
 
FWIW- Erson says the cam's power band is between 2k and 4800rpm. My VE is consistent with that.
 

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Here is a question...

My KPAs drop from 99kpa (key on not running) and at WOT they start at 99kpa off idle and drop to 93kpa at 5,300/5,400 rpm. That's about a 1.7" drop in inches if I have done the math on KPAs to Hg inches correctly... how is that in terms of efficiency given what else i have done?

I have heard folks throw around .5 - 1.5" drop is considered to be within normal variation and pretty good. I'm about .2 greater than that. I probably have a restriction some where, but not sure if I'd even change anything else at this point either if it means blowing the sleeper cover with true duals and headers.
 
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http://www.motorsportsunlimited.com...mshaft-465-488-lift-290-300-duration-112-l-c/
is this the cam your using?
if so I think swapping to some 1.6:1 (intake) (1.5:1 EXHAUST) roller rockers might be something to consider , as it would not be obvious externally, and it should rather easily result in gains of 15-20 hp

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/scc-scp3027/overview/make/chevrolet

Yes- that's the cam I am using. Older design, but seems to work just fine. FWIW- the cam, TBs and intake seem to create a decent amount of vacuum. I mention this because I've read up a lot on multiple carbs and how they behave. The KPAs at idle roll between 50-60 in park (700 rpm) and 60-70 in drive with the brake applied (800 rpm). I think that's just the nature of the intake, TBs, and cam as a system because even before I put this cam in it had similar KPA behavior.

Great point about the 1.6 rockers. I had debated going to 1.6 rockers at one point but largely forgot about them. The ones I have now are stamped factory. I have seen the 1.6/1.5 roller tip sets where I would get 8 of each. Probably do this next spring.
 
roller TIP rockers like this are basically a total waste of time, money and effort, the tips of the valves on the rocker provide MINIMAL friction its the fulcrum the rocker pivots on at the rocker stud, that needs a roller bearing and thats where you gain most of the power gain, in reduced friction, the increase in valve lift is a small help but not nearly what the reduced friction in the valve train provides
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your FAR BETTER OFF WITH TRUE ROLLER ROCKER DESIGNS
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g6991/overview/make/chevrolet

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valve clearance notches in pistons generally run in the area of 5cc-7cc

Id also use 1.6:1 roller rockers on a mild 383 SBC build in most cases
http://www.pbm-erson.com/Catalog/Erson/Camshafts/Retro_Fit Hydraulic Roller_E/ERSE119815
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Erson-Cams-803-16-SB-Chevy-Extreme-Duty-1-6-Aluminum-Roller-Rockers-7-16-Stud/173036288915?_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=1&asc=20160908110712&meid=dd2ef46908f84d1994db01594e3da770&pid=100677&rk=4&rkt=8&sd=173036285468&_trksid=p2385738.c100677.m4598

if you do want to stroke that engine from a 350,
to a 383 because the new rotating assembly will require new dished pistons
once you get the new static compression we can select the correct matching cam,
increased displacement from 350 to 383 even if everything else were to stay nearly,
identical, generally results in a 40 -50 ft lb over most of the rpm range and 40-50 hp boost

ideally you'll want to find a 383 sbc with the 350 main journal diameter to fit the 350 block, rotating assembly with a dished pistons
(forged is ideal but hyper-eutectic would work)
and internally balanced rotating assembly with 7/16" rod bolts,
5.7" connecting rods ,( cast steel crank would work,
but obviously forged steel is even better, in that its significantly stronger and more durable)
that rotating assembly should have about 9.5:1 static compression


below Ive posted some linked info to play with
http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php

https://www.uempistons.com/index.ph...e=comp&zenid=1e826335bfac0f356463eabed4958558

https://www.uempistons.com/index.ph...=comp2&zenid=1e826335bfac0f356463eabed4958558

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/crowers-valve-timing-charts.4299/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-on-building-a-383-sbc-stroker.428/#post-4987

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/redline.343/#post-1170

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/what-con-rods-would-you-buy.942/#post-1658

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/types-of-crankshaft-steel.204/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ould-you-build-a-350-or-a-383-sbc-combo.8310/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/semi-fool-proof-cam-sellection.82/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/port-speeds-and-area.333/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-springs-and-setting-up-the-valve-train.181/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...lsa-effects-your-compression-torque-dcr.1070/

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he following are different static compression ratios (SCR) with a 3.48" stroke and different camshaft intake closing points @ 0.050" tappet lift on Keith Black's dynamic compression ratio calculator. The calculator, starting at 8.25:1 SCR. The dynamic compression ratio (DCR) has been kept at just over 8.0:1, a figure that is acceptable for use with today's pump gas with a little cushion:

  • Static CR....Intake closing point @ 0.050"....Dynamic CR.
  • 8.25........10* ABDC......8.010........................................................................................................
  • 8.50........20............8.012........................................................................................................
  • 8.75........27............8.022........................................................................................................
  • 9.00........33............8.018........................................................................................................
  • 9.25........37............8.061........................................................................................................
  • 9.50........42............8.029........................................................................................................
  • 9.75........46............8.016........................................................................................................
  • 10.00.......49............8.038........................................................................................................
  • 10.25.......52............8.043........................................................................................................
  • 10.50.......55............8.029........................................................................................................
  • 10.75.......57............8.069........................................................................................................
  • 11.00.......60............8.022........................................................................................................
  • 11.25.......62............8.038........................................................................................................
  • 11.50.......64............8.042........................................................................................................
  • 11.75.......66............8.035........................................................................................................
  • 12.00.......68............8.017........................................................................................................

in the ideal exhaust system youll want to have less than .5
(thats 1/2 a PSI of back pressure) at the engines peak rpm

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http://www.exhaustvideos.com/faq/how-to-calculate-muffler-size-pipe-diameter/

http://www.mk5cortinaestate.co.uk/calculator5.php

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3" o.d = 2.87" diam. inside--approximately 6.5 sq inches of area
2.75 o.d = 2.62"diam. inside--approximately 5.4 sq inches of area
2.5 o.d = 2.37" diam. inside--approximately 4.4 sq inches of area
2.25 o.d = 2.12" diam. inside--approximately 3.5 sq inches of area

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well worth reading

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/engine ... ndex1.html


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/exhaust-components.361/

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http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/calculating-required-exhaust-pipe-size.11552/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-exhaust-pipe-diam-for-your-application.1730/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/is-backpressure-hurting-your-combo.495/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/building-an-exhaust-system-for-your-car.1166/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-calculators-and-basic-math.10705/#post-72061

http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm

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If you have clearance issues with the stock valve covers you can grind off the drippers for more clearance. You won"t need them with the roller rockers
 
yes the steel roller rockers and the jam nuts will work, but drawmains correct the internal drippers on some cast valve covers will need to be removed , and are not necessary with roller rockers, obviously the type of valve cover dripper extension.s cast into the valve cover, and the roller rockers and jam nuts you use, or you select can vary so you.ll need to check clearances to see if any work needs to be done to add required clearance IF ITS REQUIRED
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steel roller rockers like COMP CAMS AND CROWER CAMS SELL generally are stronger and smaller in size making those easier to fir and clearance and steel has at least 2-3 plus times the fatigue strength of most aluminum

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http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-heavy-duty-end-nipper-38496.html
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http://www.grumpysperformance.com/dremel.com
a set of 10" nippers and a cutting disc on a dremel tool and a careful cleaning after the modification is all thats required
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http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...fit-under-stock-valve-covers.6641/#post-21035
 
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I feel like a dummy, I forgot about the Chevy Cross Fire, or Back Fire as they are affectionately called.

Was thinking of the later Cross Fire LOL on me.

Thanks
Randy
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