darn I hate chasing electrical glitches, in newer cars

grumpyvette

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on my old 1965 Pontiac I had the head lights stop working, a quick check with a multi meter showed it was a blown fuse, the fuse blew due to high resistance, traced to a badly rusted connector that was easily replaced.
well I just have an intermittent problem on my 2003 mercury with the head lights, the switch tests fine as do the lights themselves, I pull out the shop manual and find theres a light sensor, a light control modual and several relays and switches, obviously designed by a guy intent on retiring on the profits, from repair work and repair parts, because theres almost no way to diagnose the problem easily, so its not nearly as simple as chasing simple electrical voltage flow.
as most of us who work on cars know chasing minor electrical glitches is a P.I.T.A. and it helps a good deal to have at least a minimal quality multi meter and test leads, and a scan tool, that can be used to, locate isolate and test THRU insulation on wires, and a tool to pull trouble codes and do minimal programing.

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having a wide assortment of different multi meter test leads available is a huge benefit while testing
the clip test leads that test thru a wires insulation without much damage are a big help


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these are WORTHLESS in my opinion, they seldom work or work long, or give consistent info
 
my wifes got a mercury that has had an intermittent issue with both the head lights going out at times while driving at night,
I found the problem to be a defective relay within the lighting control module. My local mercury dealer will replace the module for about $900.00, the price of the lighting modual is $495, the cost is to first diagnose then replace, then program the module and install it. The defective component part can be obtained from Mouser Electronics online for under $6.00. If you can solder it is a simple task, just locate the module which is found mounted under the lower dashboard to the passenger side of the steering column. Three plugs must be removed after you slide it out of the mounting tray. Open it up and you find four identical relays. The headlight relay is on the side opposite the long heat sink and nearest the vehicle connectors. OEM p/n NEC EQ1-11111S. There is another post here with great photos which guided me. Look for discoloration on the PC board from the heat generated by the arcing contacts.
Good luck.
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http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/1408-how-to-wire-your-own-race-car/
http://www.onallcylinders.com/2013/12/05/wiring-101-basic-tips-tricks-tools-wiring-vehicle/
http://www.themotorbookstore.com/automotive-electrical.html
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...arting-the-cars-partially-dead-battery.15608/
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use of and taking the time and effort, when building or repairing the wiring on any custom car, to install a $5 -$7, UNIQUE for each electrical component , quick connect indexed water resistant screw-up proof, male/female connector combo, that allow's you too quickly connector remove a distributor or other component from the cars wire harness and re-install it with little chance of screwing up the electrical connections is almost always a good idea

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ford remote starter relays can be used in many higher amp fan circuits
Mustang Starter Solenoid 1965-1973

TYPICAL ACCESSORY CURRENT DRAW (AMPS)
Lights
Headlights (high beam)40
Headlights (low beam) 10-22
Tail Lights 8
Safety
Emergency brake light 4
Emergency flasher 15
Turn signals 10-15
Windshield wipers 6-20
Horn 15
Brake lights 15-20
Running lights 8
Ignition
Winter starting 225-500
Summer starting 100-400
Approx. Avg. 300
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Cigarette lighter 15-20
Interior lights 10-15
Instrument panel lights 4
Entertainment
Radio 10
Stereo Tape 10
Electric antenna 20
Comfort
Air conditioner 10
Heater 20-30
Defroster 15-30
Electric seat 20
Electric windows 20-30
TYPICAL ACCESSORY CURRENT DRAW (AMPS)

Typical Current Loads for Automotive Systems, Lighting and Accessories:
Engine Idling
(no lights or accessories on) - 35 to 50 amps. This will vary depending on the number of cylinders (more cylinders draw more power for the fuel injectors and coils), the type of fuel injectors (some draw higher amp loads than others), the type of ignition system (single coil or multi-coil), the amp draw of the PCM, and the fuel pump (the amp draw will be higher with higher pressure systems).

Engine Off (nothing on) - 40 to 50 milliamps (power drain by modules in sleep mode, antitheft system and keyless entry)

Ignition Coil (single oil-filled coil older vehicle) - 3 to 4 amps.

Ignition Coil (single DIS coil newer vehicle) - 5 to 6 amps.

Ignition Coil (coil-on-plug) - 6 amps per coil.

Ignition System (primary circuit) - 6 to 20 amps.

Fuel Injectors - 4 to 6 amps peak, 1 amp hold

Electric Fuel Pump (depends on pressure and flow) - 4 to 12 amps

Electric Cooling Fan (depends on size) - 6 to 30 amps

Headlights (halogen low beam) - 8 to 9 amps per pair

Headlights (halogen high beam) - 9 to 10 amps per pair

Headlights (halogen high and low beams combined) - 17 to 19 amps

Headlights (High Energy Discharge) - 12 to 14 amps during initial start, 7 to 8 amps once bulbs are hot

Headlights (LED) - 0.6 to 1 amps per bulb

Small bulbs (incandescent) - 0.3 to 0.4 amps per bulb

Small bulbs (LED) - 0.04 to 0.06 amps per bulb

Starter Motor - 200 to 350 amps

500 Watt Sound System - 42 amps

Electric Rear Window Defroster - 10 to 20 amps

Windshield wipers - 2 to 10 amps depending on load

Heated Seats - 3 to 4 amps per seat

Power Windows - 3 amps

Electric Power Steering - 2 to 40 amps depending on load

Air Conditioner Compressor Clutch - 2.5 to 5 amps

Heater A/C blower motor (depends on load, size and speed setting) - 2 to 30 amps



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BTW I followed the directions (LINK above) to fix my wifes mercury light problem and the parts cost me $14 on amazon.com and it took about 1hour vs the $900 the dealership wanted for the parts and labor

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Insulation: Ethylene-Tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE)
Tin Plated Copper Conductor
Voltage Rating:
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Temperature: 150°C


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btw the most common electrically related problem I see on a consistent basis is corroded or badly rusted or defective battery connections and grounds so before you go crazy its a good idea to replace those as a first step in any electrical problem diagnoses

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yes they always seem to assume that everyone has unlimited access to both tools and every possible part and location on a corvette, youll need a good multi meter AND an assortment of test leads and it helps a great deal to have visited a salvage yard and grabbed a bunch of electrical connectors to use when making test lead connections, or they can be purchased as replacement parts
having a few basic meters,gauges etc. helps

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TIMING LIGHT
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PRESSURE/VACUUM GAUGE
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every mechanic needs an ANALOG multi meter for testing capacitors with a micro farad scale, AND a DIGITAL MULTI METER
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use of a shop manual and multi meter can be very helpful
the search feature, is always an option here, on this site, but to save time , look at the sub links in these threads, to find sources for replacement electrical connectors, and NAPA can frequently ORDER replacement connectors for repairs at about 3- 5 times the cost youll find them at else ware, but at times getting the part the next day beats waiting a week so the price may be justified. if its a connector thats likely to break frequently buy extras, and have them handy

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having a wide assortment of different multi meter test leads available is a huge benefit while testing
the clip test leads that test thru a wires insulation without much damage are a big help


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NOW IF YOURE JUST LOOKING FOR A INTERMITTENT PROBLEM WITH YOUR CORVETTE THIS MAY HELP
theres several obvious and a couple less obvious things to check,start by pulling trouble codes, checking for loose electrical connections and vacuum lines.
Id start with checking the injector resistance and verify pulse with NOID LIGHTS , check the fuel rail pressure and ignition timing and advance, , ALL SHOULD BE OBVIOUS PLACES THAT COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS , loose electrical connections and grounds are always suspect, the most common cause I find for the lag,well (after verifying its not injector or fuel pressure or OXYGEN SENSOR RELATED or ignition , or knock sensor related,problem )obviously those should be checked , is problems related too the manifold and engine and air heat sensors, those sensors seem to be able to function well enough not to throw trouble codes but not always well enough to allow the engine to run perfectly


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it works with a down loaded app on your blue tooth comparable I-phone/I-pad without a connecting cord, it seems to work reasonably well
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now one of the lesser known causes of u-joint failure , is the result of missing or high electrical resistance engine electrical grounds,
you should always ground the engine and transmission to the chassis ground in at least two places.
its not all that uncommon for a badly grounded engine to need the u-joints , radiators , pilot bearings and starters replaced on a much higher frequency,
simply because electricity will take the path of least resistance, to flow and if the engines rubber transmission and motor mounts,
and rubber exhaust system hangers make the drive shaft a partial path for the engines electrical ground, that current can and will eventually cause damage to the u-joints.


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If the cables, grounds and terminals work as designed, current flow is not a problem. When cranking the vehicle, we turn the key and electricity flows from the battery to the starter motor, through a solenoid. We need the solenoid, because the key switch cannot conduct the high amperage needed to operate the starter. The solenoid acts like a heavy-duty relay. It allows the light-duty key switch to control the high-amperage starter motor.

After flowing through the starter, the current returns to the battery through the engine block. They connect the engine to the electrical system with a heavy cable, attached to the negative battery terminal. This completes the circuit. The starter uses 275 amps to turn and the same current returns to the battery. Current flow on both cables equals 275 amps. The current returning to the battery equals that leaving it.
Problems occur when corrosion and loose connections cause high resistance. The ground cable may only be able to flow 250 amps. If the starter pulls 275 amps, twenty-five amps will find another path to the negative terminal. This is known as transient current flow; electricity taking a path, other than that designed, to return to the battery. The end result can be considerable damage to seemingly unrelated components.
Transmission and suspension components are not designed to flow electricity. As the current flows through them, metal can be transferred from on part to another. This is similar to the electroplating process. In time the parts are destroyed and there may be a major failure.

Keeping all battery terminals clean, tight and with proper connections can help prevent transient current flow.


ost folks have never heard of a transient current flow. Transient current flow can cause thousands in damage to a vehicles. Normally there are very few outward signs until it is too late. Fortunately it can also be detected and prevented, with a few simple steps.

When there is an electrical load in our vehicle, current flows from the battery to the load. A positive current leaves the battery and travels through wires to the accessory. The same amount of current must also return to negative side through a ground. The ground may be provided by a wire or sometimes the vehicle body. The body is electrically attached to the negative terminal.

The current flow leaving and returning to the battery has to be equal

CORRECT GROUNDS

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LOOSE CORROADED GROUNDS
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Battery terminal corrosion is a symptom of another problem
A few symptoms of transient current flow


THESE THREADS AND SUB LINKS MAY HELP
grab a multi meter and check the sensor resistance and for a good electrical connection


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Re: C4 sensor and relay/switch locations and info


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EMISSION COMPONENT LOCATIONS
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Measured Value
Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor. 185 Ohms @ 210F, 3400 Ohms @ 68F, 7,500 Ohms @ 39 F.
Engine Oil Temperature Sensor. 185 Ohms @ 210 F, 3400 Ohms @ 68 F, 7,500 Ohms @39 F.
Oil Pressure Sender/Switch. 1 Ohms @ 0 PSI, 43 Ohms @ 30 PSI, 86 Ohms @ 60 PSI.
Fuel Quantity Sender. 0 Ohms @ Empty, 45 Ohms @ 1/2 Full, 90 Ohms @ Full.
MAT (Manifold Absolute Temperature Sensor). 185 Ohms @ 210 F, 3400 Ohms @ 70 F, 15,000 Ohms @ 40 F.
Outside Temperature Sensor. 4400 Ohms @ 60 F, 2200 Ohms @ 85 F.
In Car Temp Temperature Sensor. 4400 Ohms @ 60 F, 2200 Ohms @ 85 F.
MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor. .4 Volts @ idle, 5 Volts @ Full Throttle.
Oxygen (O2) Sensor. .1 Volt Lean Mixture, .9 Volt Rich Mixture.
TPS (Throttle Position Sensor). .54 Volts Idle, ~ 5 Volts Full Throttle.

Sensor Locations

Sensor


Location
Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor. Front of engine, below Throttle Body.
Engine Oil Temperature Sensor. Left rear of engine, just above the oil filter.
Oil Pressure Sender/Switch. Top, left hand rear of engine.
Fuel Quantity Sender. Top of fuel tank, beneath filler pipe escutcheon panel.
MAT (Manifold Absolute Temperature Sensor). Underside of manifold air plenum at rear.
Outside Temperature Sensor. Right side of engine, top right corner of radiator.
In Car Temp Temperature Sensor. Coupe: above left seat near interior courtesy light, Convertible: center of cargo compartment lid.
MAF (Mass Air Flow) Sensor. Front of engine ahead of throttle body.
Oxygen (O2) Sensor. Left side of engine, in exhaust pipe.
TPS (Throttle Position Sensor). Right side of throttle body at the front.
 
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A good soldering iron is the key.
They first used the underpowered wireless ones..
Advice there.. buy at least a 45watt minimum for soldering iron.. Otherwise it take too long to heat the join and that heat the component around too much.. If you work with transistor/semiconductors they will burn rendering the parts good for replacement.

Thats even more true for automotive use since the cable are usually of heavy gauge, so a good soldering iron is required.
 
standard EIA wiring code color codes

black.............................................................ground
black/white..............................................amp-ground
red........................................ignition switched 12volt+
blue...........................power/amplified antenna 12volt +
blue/white......................amp remote switched 12volt +
yellow.......................battery /memory/constant 12volt
orange.....................................................illumination
orange/white ......................................dimmer switch
green................................... ...........left rear 12volt +
green/black...................................left rear 12volt -neg
white..............................................left front 12volt +
white/black.....................................left front 12volt-neg
purple......................................right rear positive 12 volt
purple/black......................................right rear neg 12 volt
grey.......................................right front positive 12 volt
grey/black...............................right front negative 12 volt
 
intermittent electrical problems like a rare no start occasionally,or windshield wiper controls or blinker lights not shutting off, or turning on, are frequently traced to a bad electrical ground connection,or corrosion on electrical harness plug connectors, vibration, moisture and other factors can effect the electrical resistance measurably , and ohms setting on a multi meter, a shop manual and checking all the grounds with the meter may prove to be worth the time.
heat can also have a big effect on electrical connections and some sub components like ignition moduals, so if you find some factor in common with the problem showing up, like rainy days or very hot dry days it may be an indicator helping you locate the source.

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How to perfectly clean wires in minutes!!!
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Here is an old ham radio operators trick for cleaning wires for soldering that are old and corroded. It is hard to find this technique printed anywhere! I am a ham, NH7ZE, and learned it from my elmer (mentor). I am passing it on. I hope it helps people who need to clean wires:p Please vote!!!

Normally, if you strip a wire, and see it is corroded, there is not much you can do to restore it's shiny new conductive properties. There is scraping and scratching which comes to mind, but you'll never get it to the solderable slickness it once was long ago. After laboring and fretting over the corroded pieces of wire for a long, long time, you see that your sweat coming out of your palms and fingers are corroding the copper AGAIN!!!! Oh, dear. NOT TO WORRY!!!!! Give yourself a pat on the back, because what you will pull out of your bag of tricks now, will send all the corroded copper wires scurrying and scampering away in fear!!!! Here is how to clean any corroded wire without even touching it, in 30 seconds!! And what's more, you can even solder it!!!

This process uses two solutions, one is regular table salt and vinegar. Any kind of vinegar will work, from balsamic, to rice, to white vinegars. Its the acidity and corrosiveness of the salt and vinegar together that you want. The other solution is Sodium Bicarbonate, or baking soda, and water. This is used to neutralize the corrosive properties of the other solution, and to further clean the wires.

Step 1: Strip the wires to be cleaned.

Step 2: Get 2 containers, one for each solution. They can be paper cups, plastic, glass, bowls, whatever you can find. I have vials, because I am a professional electronics installer and I use these solutions out in the field.

Step 3: Get 1 tablespoon of raw salt, and put it in one of the containers. Fill up the rest of the container with vinegar, and stir the both together. As a general rule of thumb, put as much salt in the vinegar as will dissolve.

Step 4: Get 1 tablespoon of Sodium Bicarbonate, (baking soda) and add it to the other container. Fill up the rest with water, and stir well. Add more baking soda to make it cloudy. The amount is not important, as long as it is alkaline to cancel the acid of the vinegar solution.

Step 5: Put the stripped end of the wire in the vinegar solution, and stir the solution with the wire. any wire you want cleaned needs to be under the solution. Movement of the wire in the liquid speeds up the process.

Step 6: After 2 minutes or so, the wire will look very shiny and new in the vinegar solution. The acid and salt in the solution is etching away the oxides, exposing the bare metal. Make sure the metal is uniformly shiny. Leave it in longer if it is not perfectly clean throughout.

Step 7: Once the wire is satisfactorily clean, remove the wire from the vinegar, and plunge it into the baking soda solution to neutralize the acid's corrosive properties. If the wire was exposed to the air, without neutralizing the acid first, it would quickly corrode again. The baking soda keeps it clean and shiny. Swish the wire around in the baking soda water for about 10 seconds, and then you are done!! Shiny new wire ready for soldering, and conducting once again!!

Please vote on this instructable!!
Thanks for reading.

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IMAGE: 1. Voltage & Current Parameters of the relay in-scripted on the Case of the relay.

2. Voltage & Current Parameters of the relay in-scripted on the Case of the relay.

Most relays are available in different operating voltages like 5V, 6V, 12V, 24V, etc. If the required operating voltage is supplied to the relay, the relay is activated. The operating voltage of a relay is generally in DC.Small signal relays and low voltage power relays are usually in DC, but mains control relays and contactors quite frequently have AC coils.The rest of the terminals of a relay are used to connect either a AC(generally 50/60Hz) or DC circuit. The switching and contact pins of the relay have their respective Maximum voltage and current ratings/Parameters. These Parameters are generally in-scripted on the plastic or PVC case of the relay.On the contact ratings, they will frequently have something like 5A@250VAC / 10A@12VDC. These are the figures you have to be within. Having said that you can run a higher current than stamped on it if your voltage is lower, they aren't directionally proportional though and the datasheet for the relay should be consulted. If a relay is overloaded, it can burn out and damage the circuit or appliances connected to it. Be sure to choose a relay that can handle your voltage and current requirements to ensure the relay coil doesn't burn out and your circuit doesn't get damaged.

Choosing a Proper Relay Amperage
How to calculate for the Correct Relay


Relay Ratings and Limits
Relays often have two ratings: AC and DC. These rating indicate how much power can be switched through the relays. This does not necessarily tell you what the limits of the relay are. For instance, a 5 Amp relay rated at 125VAC can also switch 2.5 Amps at 250VAC. Similarly, a 5 Amp relay rated at 24VDC can switch 2.5 Amps at 48VDC, or even 10 Amps at 12VDC.
Volts x Amps = Watts - Never Exceed Watts!
An easy way to determine the limit of a relay is to multiply the rated Volts times the rated Amps. This will give you the total watts a relay can switch. Every relay will have two ratings: AC and DC. You should determine the AC watts and the DC watts, and never exceed these ratings.

Example Calculations
AC Volts x AC Amps = AC Watts
DC Volts x DC Amps = DC Watts
Example: A 5 Amp Relay is Rated at 250 Volts AC. 5 x 250 = 1,250 AC Watts Example: A 5 Amp Relay is Rated at 24 Volts DC.
5 x 24 = 120 DC Watts
If you are switching AC Devices, Make Sure the AC Watts of the Device you are Switching DOES NOT Exceed 1,250 when using a 5A Relay. If you are switching DC Devices, Make Sure the DC Watts of the Device you are Switching DOES NOT Exceed 120 when using a 5A Relay.
Resistive and Inductive Loads
Relays are often rated for switching resistive loads. Inductive loads can be very hard on the contacts of a relay. A resistive load is a device that stays electrically quiet when powered up, such as an incandescent light bulb. An inductive load typically has a violent startup voltage or amperage requirement, such as a motor or a transformer.
Startup and Runtime Loads
Inductive loads typically require 2-3 times the runtime voltage or amperage when power is first applied to the device. For instance, a motor rate at 5 Amps, 125 VAC will often require 10-15 amps just to get the shaft of the motor in motion. Once in motion, the the motor may consume no more than 5 amps. When driving these types of loads, choose a relay that exceeds the initial requirement of the motor. In this case, a 20-30 Amp relay should be used for best relay life.


https://relaypros.com/choosing_proper_amperage.htm

https://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/relay-guide.html

https://www.instructables.com/id/All-You-Need-to-Know-About-Relays/
 
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intermitten problems are a bitch, grumpy. thats why its very important to have factory service manuals for all the vehicles you own / work on or have access to them. once you have access and knowledge to the ENTIRE system you are working on (in the case of the grand marquis you found out its a highly involved system that controls headlight function ) you can systematically rule out all of the components individually using your common multimeter and or test light. the process is the same, and without the basic skills you use on your GTO you would never be able to figure out your mercury... its just more involved and time consuming.
 
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I've called M/A Ecklers Zips, and all my local auto parts. MY CORVETTES 1982 fuel pump relays now unavailable!! whats my alternative?? Not available and most don't carry it.
Is there an alternative relay I can use?? I would like to finish up my car LOL.

take the defective or a good relay down to NAPA and ask them to match it with something similar , chevy does not manufacture relays they purchase them and theres dozens of manufactures making interchangeable relays
ID bet a trip to a couple local salvage yards with you bringing the old relay to have something handy to compare it too, would allow you to find a life time supply if your willing to look thru lots of older G.M. cars

OR visit a local salvage yard and look thru older G.M. cars and pull a couple they won,t cost you much and youll have back-ups at less than a single new one costs, many cars built in similar years will have similar relays
you can also cheaply purchase relays with matching pig tails
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when the light control on my mercury failed the dealer wanted $600 plus to replace it with parts plus labor I verified the issue was the internal relay with a multi meter,and replaced that for under $7
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cars use DC homes use AC current ,know the difference and use the correct meters

http://www.amprobe.com/Amprobe/usen/Contests_Promotions/amp-25.htm?gclid=CJGbirzF59ACFUU2gQodJ6UIqA

http://www.powerstream.com/DC-clamp.htm

https://www.amazon.com/Amprobe-AMP-...1481301013&sr=8-9&keywords=fluke+dc+amp+meter

http://en-us.fluke.com/training/tra...-digital-multimeter-plus-clamp-accessory.html
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sensors generally get 12-14 ga anything that carries serious amps is probably 10 ga
and if its for a starter or alternator, or battery it is probably significantly heavier gauge, if your replacing a broken wire you can of course measure to find the old gauge size
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/amps-wire-gauge-d_730.html

http://www.sunforceproducts.com/Support Section/Solar Panel & Charge Controllers/WireGaugeSelectionTable.pdf
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http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-RLS1..._1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1325012436&sr=1-1

https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/10308/10002/-1

ford remote starter relays can be used in many higher amp fan circuits

shopping

HAVING A HIGH AMP (160-220 amp) QUALITY ALTERNATOR AND A DECENT BATTERY, WITH GOOD CLEAN CABLE CONNECTIONS HELPS IMMENSELY
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/tff-8173nep/applications/year/1996
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http://www.amazon.com/12-VDC-5-PIN-RELAY-SOCKET/dp/B0002ZPUMG/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_b

bits of useful potentially related info


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/much-brighter-head-lights.160/#post-39449

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ing-down-an-electrical-drain.8493/#post-29779

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/how-altenators-work.355/#post-13196

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...lf-the-time-starts-and-dies.11187/#post-50245

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/alternators.1169/#post-5267

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/head-light-operation.541/#post-678

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...urrent-flow-grounds-and-more.3504/#post-34557

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/multi-meters.3110/#post-8302
 
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