digital dash swap questions

Discussion in 'Body and Interior: Repairs and Modifications' started by ironman417, Aug 21, 2010.

  1. ironman417

    ironman417 Member

    ok i was wondering if a digital dash from a mid 90's S-10 Blazer would work in a C4
    i know the mounts are prolly gonna be different do you think the plug in the back would be the same???
    just figured since im gonna swap a BBC in it might aswell change a lil of the interior too
    just like being different lol
    let me know pros and cons
     
  2. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    sounds like your trying to add far more problems than solutions
    Id suggest just replacing the gauges and gauge insert
    not necessarily like this but youve got options

    read the sub linked info
    You can get the film at:
    http://www.polarization.com/polarshop/

    And a nice tutorial at:
    http://www.batee.com/corvette/dcrg/film/index.htm

    http://www.batee.com/corvette/dcrg/anal ... /index.htm

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...er-repair-or-replacement-link.1006/#post-8030

    viewtopic.php?f=62&t=1469&p=3303&hilit=+gauges#p3303

    viewtopic.php?f=62&t=1006&p=8030&hilit=digital+dash%E2%80%A6#p8030

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...er-repair-or-replacement-link.1006/#post-8030
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    for the few guys that have taken the challenge and opened up the dash, Id say,congrats, you show some initiative!
    I know lots of guys who are afraid to work on the digital dash because they assume its far too complicated and they also assume they could never get it reassembled correctly, and while its not a real simple project its hardly the type of repairs that most people would have a great deal of difficulty with once they see it done a few times, its just that most guys are intimidated enough they won,t even try it!
    I know I was sure a bit hesitant the first time I disassembled a corvettes dash assembly, but its not nearly as complicated as it looks and if your careful you'll find you can do the repairs.

    BTW it helps to have several different quality screw drivers and a set of 1/4" drive sockets , and 1/4 " drive ratchet, sure helps
    http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1260 ... oriesmv=rr

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    having a hands free head lamps a good idea

    A small magnetic bowl to pitch the screws in so they don,t get lost helps
    http://www.harborfreight.com/4-inch-mag ... 90566.html
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    a power screw driver won,t hurt either

    most gauges come with rather clear instructions, or diagrams and color charts, its mounting the gauges neatly running the wiring and connections to the sensors that's usually the problem,having an excellent ground bar and fusing the gauges is usually required to get everything working correctly, LABELING each wire with a clearly readable tag and keeping a detailed chart for later reference is also a good idea. some gauges are sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration so keep that in mind and run wires where they are not subjected to exhaust heat chaffing or moisture if you can, if its difficult shield the wiring with insulation or protection and always try to leave some slack for component movement and later repairs

    viewtopic.php?f=80&t=1219

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    http://www.grandprix.net/upgrades/oilgauge.html

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    http://www.propartsllc.com/

    http://www.deftracing.com/prosport_gaug ... e_52mm.htm

    http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/s ... es+for+car

    http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/trgauge.html

    http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stor ... gauge.html

    http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/fuelreg.html

    http://www.miata.net/garage/GaugeInstall/

    http://www.superchevy.com/technical/int ... index.html

    viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2142&p=5772#p5772

    http://www.toyotacorollamodifications.c ... gauges.htm

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.combes2/Vdo.htm

    http://www.autometer.com/tech_faq.aspx

    http://autorepair.about.com/library/ill ... 8a-lib.htm
     
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  3. ironman417

    ironman417 Member

    i know it would far easier to install regular gauges but i like the digital dash from the blazer and i think it would look way better then the original cluster.
    im gonna have to start some research on this. i think im gonna have to fab up a new cluster trim plate and maybe get rid of the information switches over the radio. but all that will be AFTER the big block swap. first things first lol
     
  4. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    if you take your time and think it thru you can do most mods to a car and get them both looking and functioning correctly, the custom kit car guys are forced to do this frequently, and Ive seen both custom welded aluminum and plywood covered with fiberglass used to produce good results

    anyone owning a corvette should own
    a FACTORY SHOP MANUAL
    for the year corvette they own,

    step one,

    CAREFULLY check all fuses and grounds

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ing-down-an-electrical-drain.8493/#post-29779
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    step two
    pull trouble codes

    READ THRU THE SUB LINKS THEY CONTAIN THE MAJORITY OF THE USEFUL INFO


    http://www.batee.com/corvette/dcrg/index.htm

    http://www.batee.com/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...er-repair-or-replacement-link.1006/#post-8030

    http://www.dakotadigital.com/index....t_id=190/category_id=427/mode=prod/prd190.htm

    viewtopic.php?f=44&t=1469&p=3303&hilit=gauges#p3303

    viewtopic.php?f=62&t=1006&p=8030&hilit=digital+dash%E2%80%A6#p8030

    http://www.ecklerscorvette.com/corvette ... -1989.html

    https://www.speedhut.com/gauges/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-test-run-stand.930/#post-40783

    http://floridaspeedometer.com/VehicleProductList.aspx

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...er-repair-or-replacement-link.1006/#post-8030

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/digital-dash-swap-questions.3399/#post-8969

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/digital-cluster-repair.1007/#post-1822


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    OPTIONS
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    http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.cfm? ... prd190.htm

    http://www.ehow.com/how_4499857_make-fi ... -dash.html

    http://www.ehow.com/how_2250694_build-c ... -dash.html

    http://www.ehow.com/how_6576352_make-ho ... -dash.html

    Instructions
    Things You'll Need:

    * Fiberglass
    * Resin
    * Sanding blocks
    * Dash dimensions

    1.
    1

    Measure the interior of your car from side to side and then make measurements of the depth and height of the dash. You will want to remove the dash currently in the car first, and use it as a rough model, to ensure a proper fit.
    2.
    2

    Cut Styrofoam to the length and width of the dash for the top. Then cut another sheet for the face. You can cut out the section of the dash that will hold the accessories you want to install later.
    3.
    3

    Shape your Styrofoam to mimic the shape of your dash. You can layer thin sheets of Styrofoam and grind them with a light sander, then cut out the sections for the dashboard, DVD player and other accessories. Be sure to curve the top and face exactly how you want them, and double check your measurements for the accessories. Remember, the fiberglass will add about an 1/8 inch on either side of the interior boxes.
    4.
    4

    Dry fit the final product to your car carefully. Then make any necessary adjustments.
    5.
    5

    Layer mod release compound on the form, then lay the fiberglass sheets on top of the release compound.
    6.
    6

    Smooth out all your sheeting and make sure it is perfect. Some people like to pin the fabric to the form to keep it steady; this helps when you apply your resin. If you have already cut your boxes for accessories, wrap the fiberglass into these boxes.
    7.
    7

    Mix your resin and apply it to the strips with a resin brush. Mix up plenty of resin and be generous in your application. Then wait until the fiberglass hardens.
    8.
    8

    Remove the mold by starting at one edge and popping the mold right off the Styrofoam. You now have a complete shell of your dash.
    9.
    9

    Create similar molds for the interior boxes that will hold the accessories. You can cut extra boxes into the mold, and build forms for the boxes separately and then attach them to the dash. Just apply the fiberglass strips over the dash face and use the resin to glue and harden then to the frame.
    10.
    10

    Sand the frame using increasing grits of sand paper, starting with something as heavy as 80 grit, and working up to as fine a grit as you like.
    11.
    11

    Spray paint your dash with an interior paint, or rubberized coating. Or customize further with shag carpet, velvet or suede.
    12.
    12

    Complete the assembly of interior parts, glove box doors and latches.

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    Read more: How to Make a Fiberglass Dash | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4499857_make-fi ... z0xLX6bjhM

    http://meehanelectronics.com/cable-assembly-box-build/

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    http://www.customwiring.com/hotrods.html

    http://www.exoticwoodtrim.com/productdetail.asp?pid=82

    http://www.ehow.com/how_6576352_make-ho ... -dash.html

    http://www.themotorbookstore.com/9780760332887.html

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  5. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    heres a list of the 13 MINIMAL gauges Id "like" too see mounted in a dash display
    keeping a constant eye on whats happening in the engine compartment helps prevent and diagnose problems
    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...lay-switch-locations-and-info.728/#post-43477


    http://www.jegs.com/p/Equus/Equus-8000-Series-Gauges/1532060/10002/-1


    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-test-run-stand.930/#post-40783

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...instrument-cluster-has-stopped-working.16375/

    speedometer
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/atm-5156/media/images
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    fuel level
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-301106/overview/
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    fuel pressure
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/atm-3363
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    tach/engine rpm
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-333160/overview/
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    oil pressure
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-350104/overview/
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    engine plenum vacuum
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-150042/overview/
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    oil temperature
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-310106/overview/
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    coolant temperature (plus fan on indicator light)
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-310105/overview/
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    trans fluid temperature (plus aux cooler fan on indicator light)
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-310107/overview/
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    battery voltage
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-3 ... dia/images
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    fuel/air ratio meter
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    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/atm-3378
    EXHAUST GAS TEMPS, one for each exhaust collector bank
    really these are optional but nice to have

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    http://www.enjukuracing.com/products/SG ... nheit.html

    OF COURSE THERES ALWAYS SOME GUY PUSHING THINGS PAST A REASONABLE USEFUL LIMIT

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  6. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member


    It would be very interesting if one could see the ignition timing in real time
    while driving. I'm sure it's possible with all the computer controlled systems, but
    could it be added to the normal distributor ???

     
  7. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    http://www.speedhut.com/gauges/4-1-2-inch/37:5

    https://www.speedhut.com/gauges/

    http://www.speedhut.com/kit/GR4.5-6KITGPS-03T/6-gauge-custom-set---GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph,-Tachometer-Gauge-8K-RPM-Shift-light-(TSHB)
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    ANYTIME YOU GO OUT AND PRICE AFTERMARKET WIRE HARNESS< FUSE BLOCKS ETC< YOULL QUICKLY REALIZE WHY YOU BUY THE CONNECTORS TOOLS WIRE AND LEARN TO WIRE THE CAR YOURSELF!
    anytime you price out a car custom wire harness youll be in shock at the absolute absurd prices quoted.
    personally Id hit the local salvage yards Id bet you could negotiate the price of a complete wire harness from a fairly new truck for under $200
    when I got quotes on wiring my shop .. read this link
    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/how-to-wire-a-shop.5/

    http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tech/AutomotiveElectricalConnectors.htm
    now Ive wired more than a few cars
    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/sources-for-auto-elecrtrical-connectors.3105/

    http://www.repairconnector.com/

    http://www.delcity.net/store/Wire-C...es/r_IS1028?&gclid=CJzJz8nJzckCFQaJaQodyVQJHA

    http://www.wiringproducts.com/general-motors-connectors-sockets

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...roblem-getting-the-engine-started.63/#post-76
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    if you work around older cars for awhile your sure to notice a great many problems can be traced back to faulty, corroded or broken electrical connections, sockets and connectors or fuses ans wiring that need to be repaired or replaced, especially in moist areas, and in many cases youll be far ahead to just buy a new connector and carefully solder it in and use shrink tubing over the splice
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    having a wire roll caddy , thats easy to access or fabricating one for working around the cars helpful
    I can easily see where some simple fabrication skills, some careful measuring and a bit of rough design work on a pad with a ruler and pencil and a quick trip to harbor freight and home depot, to buy a few components , a power drill, a few bits screws and some 1/2" conduit ,a couple 2 foot long sections of 2" angle aluminum,could rather easily result in a rather well designed electrical wire spool holder rack of several types depending on your shops needs

    http://www.globalindustrial.com/g/stora ... pool-racks
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    automotive electrical connectors and related info


    http://repairconnector.com/





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    http://www.helminc.com/helm
    http://www.factoryrepairmanuals.com...ice-manual-2-volume-set-original-shop-repair/
    your working at a huge dis-advantage if you don,t have a factory shop manual for your specific year car, and basic tools like a multi-meter, and vacuum /pressure gauge
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    http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html
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    http://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-1-dig ... 98674.html
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  8. Strictly Attitude

    Strictly Attitude solid fixture here in the forum

    damn you teasing me with that speed hut porn Grumpy
     
  9. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    I found this posted else ware by " the BAD over on DC"

    Dim Display Fix

    My display has been dim for a few months now and when I do a search here for the fix I find that I keep getting a link to another site.
    That's fine and it is a very good read, however, I feel we can benefit from having one here as well so here is mine.
    (Junkman, I specifically searched for a thread by you but found none. If you have one out there, we can remove this one)

    Tools required:
    Wrench
    10mm socket
    7mm socket
    3/16 socket
    Torx 15 screwdriver
    Small flat head screwdriver
    Solder iron
    Solder (may or may not be needed, mine didn't)

    A few months back I noticed that the display on my Climate Control was getting dim.
    It started on the right side of the display and over time the entire display was dim.
    A light tap on the screen would usually bring it back bright but eventually it just stayed dim.
    So today I decided to fix it.

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    1) Remove the sensor cover by the ignition and remove the T15 screw.

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    2) Remove the 2 T15 screws in the ashtray/lighter area.
    One is hidden behind the ashtray.

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    3) Undo the base of the shift boot.
    You don't have to completely remove it from the shifter, just need to be able to manipulate it to remove the console.
    (I'm not sure if it is the same for the auto)

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    4) Lift the console lid so you can remove the Active Handling/Pass Airbag panel.
    I've had mine off several times before so it is easy now.
    You may need a small flat head screwdriver to pry it up.
    It just pops off.
    Once it is off, unplug the Active Handling, Airbag light, and Acc power plugs.
    Then remove the 2 10mm nuts.

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    5) I don't know If possible to remove the Radio/Climate Control cover without removing the center console or not.
    I remove it because it's easy and gives me lot of room to remove the Radio cover.
    Remove the 2 plastic covers from the rear of the console compartment and the the 2 10mm nuts.

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    6) Lift the rear, slide back and unplug the Fuel Door plug.
    Now set it out of the way.

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    7) Now you can pull the Radio/Climate Control cover back by lifting at the rear by the emergency brake and pulling away from the dash.
    You need to unplug the lighter at this point.
    I put the shifter in 4th and move the front of the boot up to the top of the shifter and remove the entire cover.

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    8) Remove 2 7mm screws that hold the Climate Control in place.

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    9) Unplug the connector from the back of the Climate Control.
    There is just the one connection.

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    10) Now that you have the Climate Control removed, you can move out of the car and into a well lit work area.
    Remove 4 3/16 in. screws located on the corners.
    Sorry I forgot to take a pic.

    11) Remove 4 3/16 in. screws at the corners of the circuit board.

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    12) Slide the board out and unplug the connection.

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    13) There are better pics of the bad solder joints but these are mine.
    I've read about people having the resistors move on them so I held them down with tweezers and just ran the tip of the solder iron along the edges to melt the existing solder.

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    14) After the soldering, I put the Climate Control unit back together and placed it back in the car to test it.
    Looks like it worked!!

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    As always, reverse the steps to reinstall everything.
    Hope this helps.
     
  10. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

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