I was at the local range siting in a rifle a few weeks back, once I had the rifle sighted in so it consistently printed shots 3.5" above the target dot at 100 yards I moved off the bench and started shooting groups from a sitting and standing position.
the guy at the next bench on the line asked me what I was doing and stated that it was rather a waste of time trying to shoot groups from field positions because the groups always tended to be larger, and if you can,t consistently place shots accurately under field conditions, what you carry won,t matter much!
I smiled and asked him how many times he had managed to find a deer,hog, or elk while seated at a solid bench rest?
honestly I see this frequently, guys that can shoot those 1" bench rest groups but the same guys would have difficulty hitting a standing deer at 50 yards shooting off hand!
Ive shot most game, while sitting using a sling, with a 13"/27" harris bi-pod
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/222546/harris-s-25c-bipod-sling-swivel-stud-mount-13-1-2-to-27-black?utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Shooting+-+Rests,+Bi-Pods+&+Benches&utm_content=222546&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Shooting+-+Rests,+Bi-Pods+&+Benches-_-Harris+Bipods-_-222546&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-YK985jm2QIVDksNCh0klghpEAQYAiABEgKZZvD_BwE
for many, sitting using a sling, no bi-pod, but several standing shooting offhand while using a sling.
I can generally hit most shots more than 70% in a coke can size target,shooting offhand with a sling out to about 100 yards,(3.5"-4" circle)but cut that group size in 1/2 sitting with a sling, and a bit better with a sling and bi-pod.
most of the game I've shot has been dropped at under 250 yards and mostly in thicker timber or narrow canyons, where ranges are generally not excessive
well heres a news flash! theres a huge lack of bench rests in ELK canyons, and deer woods ,Especially any set up where you see ELK, or deer.
this fact never seems to sink in..with the bench rest crowd...the fact is you don,t really need to shoot those impressive 1" groups, but its really helpful, in the field, if you can shoot 2'- 3"-4" or tighter groups at 100 yards from a sitting or standing position
When I think back over 43 plus years of hunting and the vast majority of the game Ive shot has been from sitting or standing positions, a few from the prone position, and by far most from ranges under 250 yards, and ID bet 80% at under 150 yards
read the links and sub links
Id remind anyone looking to purchase an accurate dependable hunting rifle that youll want high quality optics and rock solid scope mounts, the best rifle available will be seriously hampered if its not matched to clear and solidly consistent optics!
one of the most common failures I've seen over the decades was not related to the basic rifle function (although that did on occasion happen) but much more commonly loose scope mounts or cheap optics that failed to retain zero or fogged.
for most hunting you don,t need some huge high magnification scope , what you need is decent quality and rock solid dependability.
the newer LEOPOLD and NIKON 30mm tube size scopes are mostly an excellent value for the price.
yes theres hundreds of options, but if your looking for a good value Id suggest you want to select one with top quality optics for the price, a 30mm tube and 50mm front lens in a well known respected brand is a good start point for good low light transmission and clear target,vision. something similar to these linked below would provide an excellent match to a deer or elk rifle to be used for precise shot placement with most reasonable caliber elk/deer rifles, set on the lowest setting they allow you to make very rapid and accurate shots, if you have the time to get a solid field position, jack the magnification up as required.
all the magazines will tell you you'll want a rifle that has long range and flat trajectory, and yeah, thats certainly no
handicap, but in 50 years of hunting elk I can only think of two or three times a BLR in caliber 450 marlin, would not have been perfectly acceptable, simply because you seldom see game at over 200 yards and ranges under 100 yards are common
much of the area looks similar too these pictures I found posted elseware
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1362146064/leupold-vx-r-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-3-9x-50mm-matte
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...aff-7-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-25-10x-50mm-matte
https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/12325-browning-blr-scout-style-mount.html
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/519551/weaver-6-hole-weaver-style-rings-matte?utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Optics - Scope Rings, Bases, Mounting & Accessories&utm_content=519551&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Optics - Scope Rings, Bases, Mounting & Accessories-_-Weaver-_-519551&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq6X4zMqA2QIV2brACh0otQ2aEAQYAiABEgIgfPD_BwE
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/917995/weaver-surethread-adhesive-10-ml
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...hat-are-you-looking-for-in-an-elk-rifle.2368/
viewtopic.php?f=97&t=4560&p=12166#p12166
viewtopic.php?f=92&t=1275
the guy at the next bench on the line asked me what I was doing and stated that it was rather a waste of time trying to shoot groups from field positions because the groups always tended to be larger, and if you can,t consistently place shots accurately under field conditions, what you carry won,t matter much!
I smiled and asked him how many times he had managed to find a deer,hog, or elk while seated at a solid bench rest?
honestly I see this frequently, guys that can shoot those 1" bench rest groups but the same guys would have difficulty hitting a standing deer at 50 yards shooting off hand!
Ive shot most game, while sitting using a sling, with a 13"/27" harris bi-pod
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/222546/harris-s-25c-bipod-sling-swivel-stud-mount-13-1-2-to-27-black?utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Shooting+-+Rests,+Bi-Pods+&+Benches&utm_content=222546&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Shooting+-+Rests,+Bi-Pods+&+Benches-_-Harris+Bipods-_-222546&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-YK985jm2QIVDksNCh0klghpEAQYAiABEgKZZvD_BwE
for many, sitting using a sling, no bi-pod, but several standing shooting offhand while using a sling.
I can generally hit most shots more than 70% in a coke can size target,shooting offhand with a sling out to about 100 yards,(3.5"-4" circle)but cut that group size in 1/2 sitting with a sling, and a bit better with a sling and bi-pod.
most of the game I've shot has been dropped at under 250 yards and mostly in thicker timber or narrow canyons, where ranges are generally not excessive
well heres a news flash! theres a huge lack of bench rests in ELK canyons, and deer woods ,Especially any set up where you see ELK, or deer.
this fact never seems to sink in..with the bench rest crowd...the fact is you don,t really need to shoot those impressive 1" groups, but its really helpful, in the field, if you can shoot 2'- 3"-4" or tighter groups at 100 yards from a sitting or standing position
When I think back over 43 plus years of hunting and the vast majority of the game Ive shot has been from sitting or standing positions, a few from the prone position, and by far most from ranges under 250 yards, and ID bet 80% at under 150 yards
read the links and sub links
Id remind anyone looking to purchase an accurate dependable hunting rifle that youll want high quality optics and rock solid scope mounts, the best rifle available will be seriously hampered if its not matched to clear and solidly consistent optics!
one of the most common failures I've seen over the decades was not related to the basic rifle function (although that did on occasion happen) but much more commonly loose scope mounts or cheap optics that failed to retain zero or fogged.
for most hunting you don,t need some huge high magnification scope , what you need is decent quality and rock solid dependability.
the newer LEOPOLD and NIKON 30mm tube size scopes are mostly an excellent value for the price.
yes theres hundreds of options, but if your looking for a good value Id suggest you want to select one with top quality optics for the price, a 30mm tube and 50mm front lens in a well known respected brand is a good start point for good low light transmission and clear target,vision. something similar to these linked below would provide an excellent match to a deer or elk rifle to be used for precise shot placement with most reasonable caliber elk/deer rifles, set on the lowest setting they allow you to make very rapid and accurate shots, if you have the time to get a solid field position, jack the magnification up as required.
all the magazines will tell you you'll want a rifle that has long range and flat trajectory, and yeah, thats certainly no
handicap, but in 50 years of hunting elk I can only think of two or three times a BLR in caliber 450 marlin, would not have been perfectly acceptable, simply because you seldom see game at over 200 yards and ranges under 100 yards are common
much of the area looks similar too these pictures I found posted elseware
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1362146064/leupold-vx-r-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-3-9x-50mm-matte
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...aff-7-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-25-10x-50mm-matte
https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/12325-browning-blr-scout-style-mount.html
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/519551/weaver-6-hole-weaver-style-rings-matte?utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Optics - Scope Rings, Bases, Mounting & Accessories&utm_content=519551&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Optics - Scope Rings, Bases, Mounting & Accessories-_-Weaver-_-519551&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq6X4zMqA2QIV2brACh0otQ2aEAQYAiABEgIgfPD_BwE
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/917995/weaver-surethread-adhesive-10-ml
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...hat-are-you-looking-for-in-an-elk-rifle.2368/
viewtopic.php?f=97&t=4560&p=12166#p12166
viewtopic.php?f=92&t=1275
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