I rarely bother discussing anything with some of the obvious liberals I talk too,
my son has a neighbor that thinks H-CLINTONS PLAN FOR ELIMINATING US FIREARM OWNERSHIP IS A GOOD IDEA!
as its useless to point out facts for discussion to someone who has an agenda,
to push, and too them facts just get in the way of the agenda,
but when they try to cherry pick data or outright lie it makes me a bit crazy
theres no doubt that the USA has far too much crime and violence
but too have this clueless moron state that
"without access to firearms, here in the U.S.A. we would have virtually no crime"
or that
"the USA is the most violent place on earth"
or its
"ALL you damn red-necks with guns causing the problem!"
is so stupid its laughable ,
to the point it was insane so if youve ever wondered where we in the USA , ARE,heres a few facts to read about guns and crime
firearm ownership is not now nor has it ever been the problem,
if you want to reduce crime, you make it far less attractive to criminals,
its always been the lack of significant and rapid, assured consequences for those dealing in drugs, committing rape, robbery and murder, that reduce crime, that allows crime to flourish! (how many rapes, drive bye shootings or home invasion robberies, or guys dealing in drug smuggling, do you think you would see if committing one of those crimes resulted in a mandatory death penalty,by firing squad, shown on the news every night, inside of 2 days of being convicted ?)
not saying thats the exact route to take but making crime far less attractive to criminals has a result in lower crime!
example
china had an illegal drug problem they dealt with with brutal efficiency
get caught with drugs you get prison or executed dependent on the amount
get caught twice your almost sure to be shot, as a result this is not a big problem
now I,m not advocating the identical approach just pointing out that when the criminal mind sees the consequences far out weight the potential for ill gotten short term gains, crime drops to negligible levels
here in Florida we have a stand your ground law,
and theres hundreds of thousands of concealed carry license holders
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down
The study by the Crime Prevention Research Center found that
11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons,
up from 4.5 million in 2007.
The 146 percent increase has come even as,
both murder and violent crime rates have dropped by 22 percent.
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q32013/america-s-elusive-crime-statistics-by-race/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
my son has a neighbor that thinks H-CLINTONS PLAN FOR ELIMINATING US FIREARM OWNERSHIP IS A GOOD IDEA!
as its useless to point out facts for discussion to someone who has an agenda,
to push, and too them facts just get in the way of the agenda,
but when they try to cherry pick data or outright lie it makes me a bit crazy
theres no doubt that the USA has far too much crime and violence
but too have this clueless moron state that
"without access to firearms, here in the U.S.A. we would have virtually no crime"
or that
"the USA is the most violent place on earth"
or its
"ALL you damn red-necks with guns causing the problem!"
is so stupid its laughable ,
to the point it was insane so if youve ever wondered where we in the USA , ARE,heres a few facts to read about guns and crime
firearm ownership is not now nor has it ever been the problem,
if you want to reduce crime, you make it far less attractive to criminals,
its always been the lack of significant and rapid, assured consequences for those dealing in drugs, committing rape, robbery and murder, that reduce crime, that allows crime to flourish! (how many rapes, drive bye shootings or home invasion robberies, or guys dealing in drug smuggling, do you think you would see if committing one of those crimes resulted in a mandatory death penalty,by firing squad, shown on the news every night, inside of 2 days of being convicted ?)
not saying thats the exact route to take but making crime far less attractive to criminals has a result in lower crime!
example
china had an illegal drug problem they dealt with with brutal efficiency
get caught with drugs you get prison or executed dependent on the amount
get caught twice your almost sure to be shot, as a result this is not a big problem
now I,m not advocating the identical approach just pointing out that when the criminal mind sees the consequences far out weight the potential for ill gotten short term gains, crime drops to negligible levels
here in Florida we have a stand your ground law,
and theres hundreds of thousands of concealed carry license holders
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down
The study by the Crime Prevention Research Center found that
11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons,
up from 4.5 million in 2007.
The 146 percent increase has come even as,
both murder and violent crime rates have dropped by 22 percent.
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q32013/america-s-elusive-crime-statistics-by-race/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
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