Experienced Deer Hunters

Grumpy

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Experienced Deer Hunters
quote from a different web site and an experienced hunter
Last night was one of those nights where I couldn't sleep so I lay there thinking about all the deer I've shot and all the firearms I used on them. (At my age that's just about all I do in bed anymore is think!!!)
As I reflected on the couple hundred or so deer (and antelope) I've taken over the getting close to 60 years now I've used a .243, .270, 7x30 Waters, 7-08, 30-30, 308, 30-06, 35 Whelen, 44 mag, and .45-70 all successfully. Using these chamberings and my opinion, and only my opinion, I've been the least impressed with the .308 for deer sized game. And as much as I like my 45-70s and my 7-08 for deer my opinion, hands down, for deer sized game from spitting distance to 500 yards if I had to have one choice, it would be the .270 Win.
I know there are going to be guys saying they feel their 7mm mag or 300 mag is better and that's OK. I'm not suggesting they aren't. Heck, I have a 6.5CM that I haven't taken hunting yet. What I am saying is based on my experience from the woods and farmlands in PA to the mountains and prairies of the west and heavy pine forest in the north there isn't much the 270 isn't capable of for deer size game without eating up a bunch more powder and giving you a harder recoil.
Those of you with a good bit of experience throw in your two cents. I'm looking for a discussion, not a debate. We just might help a new hunter decide on a firearm/cartridge.
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I agree that the 270 win loaded with a quality bullet,
(generally a 150 grain like a nosler partition, or speer grand slam or north fork, or barnes)
is about ideal on deer size game, and I've used a 270 win to kill one elk.
Ive generally found people that feel their favorite cartridge is vastly superior to something rather similar, lets say a 270 vs a 7mm/06 or 30/06
, in my opinion, tend to lack extensive out in the field time.
those cartridge comparison discussions might be fun,
but they are more useful in starting arguments than in any documented increase in your potential success.
most similar diameter & weight bullets at similar velocity produce similar results ,
its precise shot placement thats critical.
that fact and the fact that most hunters are very bad at range estimation,
past that 250-300 yard distance,
are critical to getting consistent results and understanding what you see, happening,
and decades of seeing guys claim 500-600 yard kills while having nearly zero knowledge of the rifles trajectory,
and knowing they sighted in dead on at 100 yards makes most of those stories rather dubious.
I've used a dozen or more rifles in cartridges like,
270 win,
30/06,
300 wby
375 H&H,
340 wby ,
45/70,
358 win,
257 roberts,
and 35 whelen etc
If the person carrying that rifle understood its trajectory and its potential limitations, and the anatomy of the game,
he found that with proper shot placement, and projectile they all worked just fine.

that certainly does not mean there are not some cartridges that have significant power and reach advantages,
and you can,t dispute physics, larger projectiles moving at higher velocity tend to do more damage and penetrate deeper,
if built to a consistent design,and sectional density.
but its up to the user to limit his shots taken to be within that rifle and the shooter's limitations.
The 270 win with a 140-150 grain bullet is an excellent overall compromise in flat trajectory, extended reach and adequate power for deer.
one gentleman, I hunted with for decades exclusively used a Winchester mod 70 pre-1964 in 257 roberts, he rather disliked recoil.
He used to constantly kid me about my use of a 340 wby that weighed several pounds more than his rifle and obviously kicked a great deal harder.
we both killed our share of game .
deer-anatomyghk.jpg

anyone who is a decent shot , and who understands both his equipment limitations and the anatomy of the game,
can use almost any centerfire rifle, with proper ammo and be successful.
BTW if your current rifle is not giving you the desired lethality,
you might consider changing the projectile your using,
it can make a huge difference.
keep in mind most large game is shot at UNDER 250 yards
I can certainly say I've seen the 270win-30/06 class cartridges kill deer and elk very effectively,
and those cartridges with proper bullets selected,
are about ideal on whitetail and mule deer.
especially in the hands of a good shot who knew game anatomy.
the 300 mags work well on nearly everything you'll hunt in north America if you use a 180-200 grain bullet with a thick jacket.
personally, I want 225-270 grains of bullet weight,
I strongly favor using a 35 whelen,338 win,340 wby or 375 H&H ,
but thats strictly personal preferences based on decades of consistently flawless personal results.(one shot kills)
having 100% confidence in your rifle & cartridge choice,
makes the hunt more enjoyable.

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...r-how-much-is-required.4607/page-2#post-94918


http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...guy-deer-hunting-tips.14925/page-2#post-94419

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...t-hunting-rifle-for-deer-elk.1133/#post-89276

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-around-elk-mule-deer-rifle.12948/#post-87278

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/getting-started-hunting.11090/#post-84796
 
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I've used a few different cartridges to kill a deer no where near your list but mine are
30-06
25-06
30-30
300 Savage
3oomag
7mm08
6.5 Creedmoor
308
the funny thing is the biggest gun I chased the furthest the smallest I used dropped on the spot a prime example of shot placement
 
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