GRUMPY WHAT DO I NEED HERE for a 500 S&W reloading

Discussion in 'reloading/bullet casting' started by Grumpy, Dec 26, 2015.

  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

    youll need a durable functional holster


    now Ill assume you have basic reloading tools listed above and only need the stuff listed below

    lets say you buy 500 empty cases for $266 plus those tools listed for $157 or $423
    that sounds rather excessive and damn expensive, plus youll need powder and primers so $500 may be closer , so to get into reloading for the big revolver, at first thats about $1 a cartridge

    you quoted factory ammo at $50 for 20, or $2.50 a shot, thats $1250 or greater for 500 shots of over the counter ammo probably close to the cost of that revolver

    but it gets MUCH BETTER
    the second batch of 500 reloads through about the 8th-through the 12th batch of 500 cartridge,s before the brass needs replacing, those batch's of reloaded ammo will cost you about $80-$99, rather than $1250-1500 for over the counter ammo SqqqW Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source= SqqqW Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source SqqqW Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source S&W Magnum.html
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  2. rlphvac

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    I don't want to scare anyone off but reloading is more addicting than drugs if you own different calibers you WILL need to get reloading equipment for all of them
  3. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

    you might want a gas check design, cast bullet, for bigger game than deer, in that 500 S&W pistol to maximize accuracy, where you might want to push velocitys over 1200 fps


    your almost forced to cast and reload for the 500 S&W revolver as ammos absurdly expensive at near $3 or more, a cartridge in factory loads, but you can load your cast reloads for under 60 cents each, saving 80% and giving up zero in lethality
    a lighter 400 grain non-gas check design pushed to 1200 fps or less will kill any deer in existence and should be accurate to 50 yards or so very easily,
    my 44 mag used 310 grain lee bullets and shoots clean through even elk, pushed at only about 1200 fps

    btw if your going to cast bullets wait till the molds clean and hot then lightly spray the mold interior surface with moly spray, as it helps the cast bullets fall easily from the mold and makes casting process faster and more consistent.

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  4. Grumpy

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  5. Grumpy

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    Its going to be very interesting to see how you feel about that large caliber hunting revolver ,
    and how well it matches your needs and expectations once you get into hand loading custom ammo for it.
    I know its taken you awhile to find and purchase most of the tools and components ,and some of them are still on order.
    the huge advantage in having easy access to hand loading tools and components is that you have the ability to load that hand cannon down to significantly lower recoil levels, or fabricate factory load duplicates for under 1/3rd the cost, if thats required to allow you to become proficient with the revolver, rather than beating yourself 3/4 silly with max factory loaded ammo, or depleting your bank balance to shoot the gun, regularly, with factory ammo that can easily cost $60 for 20 cartridges.
    I think many guys just assume that if they try factory loads and the recoil or muzzle blast is well above the level they are comfortable with that they may as well take the loss and sell the gun
    (this is rather obvious from the constant re-sale I see on the large bore revolvers like 454 cassul, 460 and 500 S&W)
    thats really a big shame as you could easily have $2k invested in the revolver plus reloading components and take a $600 plus loss in unloading it on the used market only to find out later that you could have easily custom loaded ammo that matched your tolerance level (which btw tends to change with experience)
    I generally handgun hunt Hogs and Deer locally with my friends Mike and Jack, mike is reasonably good with a 357 mag but thinks a 44 mags excessive, Jack has and uses a 454 cassul he bought used for pennies on the dollar when the original owner found its muzzle blast and recoil excessive, ( Jack hand loads that revolver to about the same power lever I load my 445 DWSM, thats a 310 grain bullet at about 1400 fps in my 445 DWSM, and a 340 grain in his 454 at about 1270 fps) neither of us feels the need to max out the calibers potential as they both shoot completely through hogs
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  6. Grumpy

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    BTW ALLEN just shot hi
    you'll need too occasionally buy a new reloading manual simply because the available powder and projectile selection changes over time, and there are occasional mis-prints , cross checking between several manuals will make that rather obvious, you'll always want to cross check any loads listed from at least THREE different sources and start with the starting level loads and work up to what pressure levels your particular gun works best with, and THIS DOES VARY!
    if your only loading for a hunting rifle a good single stage press produces very accurate ammo reasonably cheaply
    Its a good Idea to buy projectiles and powder and primers in larger lots or in bulk, so you have enough on hand for several years, of shooting, once you find what a particular gun likes, because the manufacturers have the nasty habit of either discontinuing or changing specs,on projectiles and powders.
    once you find a particular combo that shoots consistent one hole hundred yard groups , its really frustrating to find that particular bullet or powders discontinued!
    this may sound like it will cost a great deal, but think about it, most guys will seldom shoot a large game hunting rifle more than 100 or so times a year if that, maybe 40-80 over a years time at the range then 4-6 cartridges actually hunting.
    if your loading for something like an AR15 buying in bulk lots of 1000 or more lowers the cost of components slightly, and having a decent progressive reloading press makes sense

    as in most things having accurate reference materials helps a great deal


    heres a basic powder burn rate chart, refer to the manuals and always verify in at least three and compare the charge and bullet weights listed

    s first wild HOG last week , with his new toy... a 500 S&W revolver,(they are considered VERMIN on some areas in Florida and as such open to hunting year round on most private property).
    he used this bullet over 20 grains of BLUE DOT powder SqqqW Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source

    he said the hog was hit in the shoulder from about 38-40 yards and the result was a 90 lb hog that went down and only kicked feebly once or twice, and a bullet that punched through and kept on going after it exited,
    thats hardly something a good 44 mag revolver could not have also handled well but he is rather pleased with the results
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    I had a guy ask me , after reading through several related links on this and other web sites , what would be the advantage of the 500 S&W over the 44 mag since its been repeatedly mentioned that a 240 grain -to-310 grain 44 mag bullet will consistently drop deer and hogs very effectively?
    well theres zero doubt at all that the longer 6"-10" barrel 44 mag revolvers loaded with decent high quality cast bullets will get the job done , very effectively on any deer or hog at ranges under 120 yards, as theres been hundreds of thousands of successful hunts using the 44 mag revolvers.
    theres no doubt that the lower recoil and significantly lower cost of ammo and much greater availability to find ammo locally,or to purchase hand loading components for the more popular 44 mag
    makes it a decent choice, so why would you spend the time and effort to buy and use the larger, heavier and much more expensive 500 S&W revolver?
    well lets do a bit of math
    Hand loads that push 1350 fps with a hard cast 300 grain bullet out of a 8"-10" barrel 44 mag revolver is what Ive been using for decades,its not a max load but its close , and its consistently accurate
    heres a useful formula
    bullet weight x velocity x velocity/450240= muzzle energy
    300gr x 1350 fps x 1350 fps /450240=1215 ft lbs
    a .430 diameter=.145 sq inches of frontal area Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun

    if we take a similar 8"-10" barrel 500 S&W and push a 400 grain bullet of similar shape and length to 1600 fps its also not a max load but its close , and its consistently accurate
    heres a useful formula
    bullet weight x velocity x velocity/450240= muzzle energy

    400gr x 1600 fps x 1600 fps/450240=2274 ft lbs or
    roughly 90% greater energy
    a .500 diameter=.197 sq inches of frontal area
    ROUGHLY 36% more frontal area and 25% more mass SqqqW Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source

    what your getting with the larger 500 S&W revolver is roughly double the on target energy and certainly noticeably more destructive energy , the question you have to ask yourself is , if the increased cost involved and heavier recoil provides you with any tangible and useful benefits for the larger calibers use,

    and after using both revolvers Id have to make a personal assessment, and base that on its intended use?
    obviously only well placed hits and a good knowledge of the games anatomy would count , power without proper bullet placement is useless!
    the bullet used does all the work, so be aware that you can,t reasonably compare totally different bullet designs like hollow point jacketed vs hard cast
    for deer or hogs I don,t see the larger revolver as providing any real advantages
    ,, and certainly I think the smaller 44 mag revolvers noticeably easier to handle and shoot rapidly.
    on the other side, If I was going to use any revolver on a target that might decide to instantly want to kill me if I pissed it off, like a larger bear or a lion, the extra energy , bullet mass and potentially deeper destructive punch that cold break bone and punch through more muscle , and keep going would have me strongly consider the larger revolver simply because I might only get one or two shots off as I was confronted with lots of very angry teeth and claws, wanting to seek revenge for being stupid enough to think I was going to go, toe-to-toe in a technology vs muscle fight!
    yeah! your much better off with a 357 mag you can hit with rapid repeat shots than a 44 mag or 500 mag if the recoil intimidates you , plenty of big moose elk and bears have been killed with a 357 mag and every game animal on the planets (including elephant, lion and cape buffalo,) with a 44 mag, so the power of a 500 mag is extra insurance but its only useful if the guy holding it can consistently and rapidly place shots accurately
    you might want to remember that theres a compromise , in the 480 ruger and 445 dan wesson and 454 cassul all have power levels between the two
    (44 mag and 500 S&W)
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  11. Grumpy

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    Id also point out finding a relieable & consistent source of COPPER 50 caliber gas checks is a P.I.T.A. as many places that list them are out of stock constantly
    this bullet over 20 grains of BLUE DOT powder SqqqW Magnum&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source


    heres a few sources for 500 cal gas checks

    for bullets like this

    just a bit of info on these lee "440 grain" 500 S&W bullet molds ,
    with the gas check and lube on these cast bullets,
    at least using my 95% WW alloy and 5% tin, mix,
    the projectiles actually weigh about 470 grains
    they are quite accurate (WITH THE GAS CHECKS)
    and penetrate extremely well and consistently and can easily be pushed to 1300 -1500fps.
    a 440 grain -to-470 grain hard cast gas check, 50 caliber handgun bullet pushed to 1300-1500 fps,
    would provide enough penetration to hunt anything walking on the north american continent at ranges under 100 yards

    note the similarity in the ratio and shape and length vs diam, too the 310 grain lee 44 caliber bullets, Ive used for decades in my 44 mag revolvers, that has devastated hogs and deer and even a few elk, at 1300 fps
    the 500 S&W projectiles weight about 50% more so they should drop game very convincingly with well placed hits when used by someone who knows game anatomy if they can handle the increased recoil


    if you calculate sectional density
    (the ratio of mass to frontal area)
    the 50 caliber holds a slight advantage
    Sectional density of 0.240 with a bullet weight of 310 grains and diameter of .430".
    and about .15 square inches of frontal area

    Sectional density of 0.268 with a bullet weight of 470 grains and diameter of .501".
    and about .195 square inches of frontal area
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