have you had to keep calm

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I didn't want this 65 GTO to sell without checking it out first.
I took the car out myself - seller said he'll wait here. Long story short - After accelerating out of an off-ramp curve the engine went nuts like it was punched to the floor (the pedal WAS stuck to the floor). I didn't want to jamb the brakes or use the emergency brakes, so I turned the ignition off. After I coasted to a stop I got out to take a look under the hood. I confirmed right off what caused the problem - the driver's side motor mount was broken. When I started the car again and hand operated the throttle, the Motor rose up and turned. The throttle cable was getting hung-up on an intake manifold bracket when the motor twisted. Slow and easy I returned back to the sellers house. As I pulled up the driveway this guy had a big grin, seems he already knew what I just discovered. I asked him "then what's so funny?" He then told me it's not his job to tell me every little bug about the car. So you would let me wreck your car and possibly get me hurt seriously if not killed? I wanted to clean this clown's clock! He says "Caveat Emptor my friend, that means not my problem!" I seem to find these ass-holes like I'm an "Ass-hole Magnet!" Too bad, I could have worked with this car and the price was good, but I never finished the inspection so maybe I dodged a bullet today?
 
Broken Drivers side motor mounts is a commen problem on Pontiacs.
I Mig Weld a Stop on them in the past using a 1/2" round bar stock of steel.
Cut to size. paint black.
An engine limiter roatation stop. Preset the air gap with an .008" feeler gauge.
Trick I learned about 20 years ago.
Never posted that trick on any Forum.

What is wrong with that Retard Seller Rich ???
MAN....
 
A Good Running Pontiac has Serious Torque Power on Tap as you found out Rich.
LS Engine is OK.
Ponchos Run Hard....
 
being forced to deal with ignorant smug Ass holes is unfortunately a common issue ,when shopping for used muscle cars, but if the price on the cars was decent, and the cars condition was good Id use that as a bargaining chip and remind him knowingly allowing a test drive in a known dangerous car could easily result in a easily winnable law suit!
If I had the cash Id bargain hard for a dirt cheap price and get the car transported home for repairs and mods required...but then I have a serious soft spot for 1965 two door Pontiac cars

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87vette81big said:
What is wrong with that Retard Seller Rich ???
MAN....
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If a Creepy 60 + yr. old with a Mullet, a gold front tooth and wiping his "chew-dribble" with the back of hand and then to his shirt sides isn't enough try adding he preferred being called "Gator." Gator kept mentioning people's names and asking if I know them?? After 30 minutes of not being able to answer any of my questions I clearly had to get out of there. I'll find something else.
 
wow thats messed up. ive never bought a car that was knowingly going to try to assassinate me before and no one bothered to tell me. i dont know what i would have done. im glad you kept your head on straight and got thru it unscathed
 
Re: have you had to ekeep calm

Come To Illinois Rich.
Naperville to your in laws.
Time it for a Saturday Car crusie night.
Find a Good Lead on Decent Pontiacs.
GTO'S too.
 
Re: have you had to ekeep calm

87vette81big said:
Come To Illinois Rich.
Naperville to your in laws.
Time it for a Saturday Car crusie night.
Find a Good Lead on Decent Pontiacs.
GTO'S too.
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I can do the 1st or 2nd week in Aug. (I have to check when my wife has it scheduled)
 
Speechless… Absolutely speechless!!!! HArd to blv such sociopaths are running around the place! :shock: :shock: :shock:
 
DorianL said:
Speechless… Absolutely speechless!!!! HArd to blv such sociopaths are running around the place! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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That's the American way "Do what you want until you get caught - then deny everything." :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Wow, this guy is an idiot.
Its not just the driver that could get hurt.. but imagine if there was.. lets say a child crossing the road...
Thing could have turned ugly pretty fast.
 
I think Grumpy has the right idea Rich.
A 1965 Pontiac Lemans peoject car.
Clone it as a GTO.
Install a Dana 60 Rear.
10-14 point roll bar.
Low 9's target goal.
Twin Turbo the 428.
Why mess around ?
 
87vette81big said:
I think Grumpy has the right idea Rich.
A 1965 Pontiac Lemans peoject car.
Clone it as a GTO.
Install a Dana 60 Rear.
10-14 point roll bar.
Low 9's target goal.
Twin Turbo the 428.
Why mess around ?
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You forgot the requisite half dozen laughing faces in the middle. I don't mind the cloning, the D60 rear, but the roll bars - nope, wouldn't be prudent at this juncture :lol:

Don't it must be have A/C!
 
87vette81big said:
A 1965 Pontiac Lemans peoject car.
Clone it as a GTO.
Install a Dana 60 Rear.
Low 9's target goal.
Twin Turbo the 428.
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how many ibs. of boost are we talking? :lol: :lol:

No, seriously, If I do a clone it just wouldn't be a quality piece and that's just not me. I would never put it off as a "real deal" and I don't want to explain to people it's a clone (Perhaps if it was a COPO ZL1 Camaro or a Yenko 427 Camaro (not to mention a 71 Hemi 'cuda convertible with a six pack, 4 spd w/dana60 suregrip, in triple black :eek: :eek: ) I could live with those clones as they are not really affordable to many people).
When I see a restorable Lemans car in Hemmings for $8K and a like condition same year GTO for $15K the end result is they both cost the same to restore to the same point, the real GTO just costs $7K more. Not a very sound investment.
 
mathd said:
Wow, this guy is an idiot.
Its not just the driver that could get hurt.. but imagine if there was.. lets say a child crossing the road...
Thing could have turned ugly pretty fast.
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Mat, I couldn't agree more! If it were a teenage driver test driving this car instead of me and that happened I'm sure there would have been several Memorial services by now. I was lucky to be feeling sharp that day and I could quickly keep control under those circumstances (and for what followed afterwards).
 
I dont know about $15 K for a fully Restored 1965 GTO Rich.
Thinking at least $25 k to start.
What I am trying to say its not all that wise to Turn a Real GTO into a Race Car .
Unless its been a Race Car since 1965.

Your Buying a Legend.
1st true mass produced Muslecar.
Big Engine. 389 ci.
Tri Power.
M21 close ratio 4-speed.
Rear axles of 3.90 or 4.33 factory stock.
Hurst 4-speed shifter.
Classic Muscle body lines.
Pontiac only factory colors.
Engine gets its heritage from the Legendary 421 Super Duty.
In 1964 The Vette got its doors blown off.
 
Its a sound investement.
Step up to the plate to play ball.
$$$$.
 
87vette81big said:
I dont know about $15 K for a fully Restored 1965 GTO Rich.
Thinking at least $25 k to start.
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True but that's not what I said. I said "a restorable Lemans and likewise condition GTOs"
"Restorable" can be a basket case for some but most crap is still restorable. You can look through the interent and easily find Lemans and GTOs for those prices, some more, some less but they are there
 
Mecum in Indy
Contacts.
Lucky Finds.

The Great One.
PONTIAC GTO
 
There are only 1 other Pontiac Family near me Rich.
One of the brothers has a 1965 GTO.
I know he won't part wirh it. I sold him a Good Rebuildale Shortblock Poncho 455 about 10 years agi Dirt Cheap.
I returned a favor. Pontiac Guys do that for each other.
They also have a 1969 Trans Am Coupe. Being restored.
Ram Air 3 4-speed. They won't sell either.
Rumor has it they have the last missing #8 1969 Trans Am Convertible. All Ram Air 3 cars.
Can't verify. They hide cars like me. So it may be bullshit legend.

Many Pontiac guys up in Naperville & Burbs of Chitown.
 
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