Heating Spike

Discussion in 'Cooling Systems' started by DorianL, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Hey All… When I take the car for a drive, within a mile I go over 230 to 250 rapidly; barely enough time to reach operating temp. I pull over immediately and shut down. Thirty seconds later, the temp drops fast when I turn the engine back on. Then, either creeps up fast again, or stays at thermostat/normal levels.

    My thermostat is about new and has a few holes punched in the flange. (I have squeezed the thermostat hose - it feels/sounds like there is air in there and it isn't scalding hot. I'm not sure if that is normal.) Note: I just swapped intake manifold. As I could not remove the pipe plug on the manifold, I disconnected and plugged my hose going from the water pump to my heater core. The plugged hose from the heater core was left full length and is hanging on the wheel well. (I am suspecting air trapped somewhere?) The temp sender is in the cylinder head.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Crap Dorian.
    Yes I think your right there is air trapped in the cooling system.

    If there is another plug on the intake to remove for a bit, pull it.
    Fill the radiator or from the expansion tank.
    Let the coolant run out.
    Air will be pushed out.
    Put the plug back in.
    Retest. Drive.
     
  3. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Make sure the bottom radiator hose is not collapsed.
     
  4. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

  5. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

  6. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

    it sounds like a sticky t-stat or a collapsing lower radiator hose,
    (make sure the lower radiator hose is semi rigid or insert a internal support stainless spring,)[​IMG]
    https://www.cjponyparts.com/lower-r...tainless-steel-small-block-1965-1973/p/HW769/
    and Id test the t-stat by simply removing it for a 15 minute,drive to see if it changes the way the engine heats up and the time frame, involved.
    Id check your oil level, and fan belt tension and Id add some
    [​IMG]

    too the anti-freeze, it speeds heat transfer , obviously check the coolant level also, and Id verify the ignition advance course and look for vacuum leaks, if you post clear pictures of the spark plugs they can tell you a lot about engine running conditions

    https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...VjiSBCh31SA59EAYYASABEgKcSfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/radiator-hose-spring.10712/#post-46681

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ers-tube-beading-and-clamps.10128/#post-49413

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...flow-rates-and-heat-transfer.9880/#post-57638

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-cooling-system-works-basics.853/#post-46671

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/over-heating.9982/#post-38667

    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BRA-1888/ (standard)
    http://www.summitracing.com/parts/BRA-1688/ (counter clock)

    https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/chartsguides/a/aaz-55-11111.pdf

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-water-pumps.832/#post-3768

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/engine-water-pumps.832/#post-3768

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/swivel-thermostat-housing.9489/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/correct-thermostat.5607/#post-26544
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2018
  7. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

    Do the test Grumpy mentioned by removing the thermostat.
    While it is out, do the boiling pan of water on the stove test to the thermostat.
    If you warped it any while drilling the holes, it would act "sticky".
     
  8. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

    well? did you pull the t-stat and test drive ?
    did you install an internal structural support spring in the lower suction radiator hose?
     
  9. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

  10. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Did a little testing this evening. The lower hose in not collapsing and the coil inside feels in good shape.

    There does seem to be a lot of air in the upper hose.
     
  11. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Ok, so I tinkered a bit with the 'vette yesterday. I am beginning to lean toward a sticking T-stat. This bothers me as the T-stat is new. I found a protocol for bleeding C3 corvette coolant. It involved 3000 rpm runs with and without the radiator cap (which is on the expansion container). It feels like most of the air is out of the system. Nonetheless, the temp climbs to 230... then suddenly drops to operating temp.

    I just don't understand how a new T-stat that was working fine all of a sudden sticks. Was it the holes a drilled? I barely used any RTV - a thin film to me is just that. I am not a big fan of RTV squeezing out all over the place ...and inside.
     
  12. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Before you ask... remember that finding another T-stat is typically an hour drive up and another back ...if they have it in stock.
     
  13. T-Test

    T-Test Well-Known Member

    Just make some restrict-or plates with different size openings out of scrap 1/8 aluminum plate befor trying another t-stat to find out if you have another problem causing the issue.
     
  14. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

    what is so darn difficult with simply testing the potential source of the issue and potentially isolating it too the t-stat,
    by simply temporarily removing it and driving the car?
     
  15. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Gasket. I have only one gasket. This is belgium; another may not be immediately available. I’m trying to be as sure as possible before I make that move. Exhaust all options.

    But that is indeed what I’m about to do as it cools. I just did a test now.

    I’ll ad just a little to the story. I had a very similar, if not identical problem, with the previous t-stat on this car. Replacing the original thermostat fixed the problem. (I still have it, btw, and I am about to test it. )

    Now again, after swapping the intake and drilling holes in the flange of the new t-stat, the problem came back. I’ll test that one too once it is out.

    Just a few minutes ago I ran the engine for a few min. I broke out my laser temp sensor and, pointing it at the t-stat housing, clearly only when I shut off the engine did it open and open immediately; the temp rose in the housing and hose.

    I wonder if I installed the t-stat upside down?

    We are about to find out !

    Once the engine is cool enough, I’m popping off the housing.
     
  16. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Original thermostat works perfectly
     
  17. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    I think I’m going to do two things... the lower hose does seem to have a slightly high bend to it. I’m going to trim it a tick and see if I can’t work that slight kink out. I’ll also leave the t-stat temporarily out and see how this works out. There goes my last gasket ;)
     
  18. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    I scooted up the support wire so that it reaches the tightest bend and I trimmed off quite a bit of the lower hose.
     
  19. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

    the question remains... does the car run cooler when you cruise, and without the heat build-up with the t-stat removed ?
     
  20. DorianL

    DorianL solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Well, the job is done. Hose is streamlined. The housing is reinstalled without the thermostat. As much as I want to dump the coolant back in and test it, I think the wise thing to do is let the RTV cure overnight. #frustrating.
     

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