how fast were the old muscle cars?

Got another one for you guys.One fellow I work with was telling me about the early to mid 60's Merc pickup he has.So I asked what did it have in it a 352 V 8 ?? But apparently it has a 326 Hemi in it,all factory original.I just kept a straight face,although it wasnt easy :eek:
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I remember a friend FROM, high school who purchased a really clean 1967 fair-lane with a 4 speed car with a ford 9" with 3.90:1 REAR GEARS , BACK IN ABOUT 1971, OR SO, and what he was told was a 427 high performance engine in it, (which it turned out was a 352 FE) THAT REAR GEARING AND 4 SPEED MANUAL TRANS, ALLOWED EVEN THE 352 fe TO SMOKE THE TIRES WITHOUT A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT,
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he was really pissed off when he found the engine in the car had been replaced with a standard 352 FE as he had paid a good deal more thinking he was getting a 427 engine. we eventually found A WRECKED 1970 THUNDERBIRD AND BOUGHT THE ENGINE, and installed a high compression 460 ford engine, IN THAT FAIR- LANE but it was just not what he hoped for in power although it still made the car a solid 12 second car, THE SHOCK TOWERS IN THOSE CARS, TOOK UP A GREAT DEAL OF CRITICAL ENGINE SPACER, THAT MADE ENGINE SWAPS A REAL p.i.t.a.
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guysmontess said:
Got another one for you guys.One fellow I work with was telling me about the early to mid 60's Merc pickup he has.So I asked what did it have in it a 352 V 8 ?? But apparently it has a 326 Hemi in it,all factory original.I just kept a straight face,although it wasnt easy :eek:
Guy
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Must of been an experimental truck that was mistakenly sold by Mercury! :p

 
BEST 7 MUSCLE CARS???
obviously theres a bunch of good potential choices

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto/be ... ime-1.aspx

HERES A FEW Suggestions Others POSTED

'69 Charger R/T
'67 GTO
'70 Stage 1
'70 442
'70 Torino GT
'66 Shelby Cobra
'68 Road Runner
'66 Chevelle SS

1) 65-66 AC Cobra 427
2) 69 yenko Camaro 427
3) 67-68 GT500 428
4) 69-70 Boss 429
5) 69-70 Hemi Cuda 426
6) 67 Stingray 427
7) 65-66 GT350 289

1. 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi
2. 1966 Chevelle SS396
3. 1966 Chevy Nova SS396
4. 1964 GTO 389
5. 1968 Olds 442
6. 1968 Shelby Cobra GT500 428
7. 1969 Dodge Charger 440 Six Pack

66 AC 427 Cobra... Rest are rear view...
69 Z28 302 or Yenko
68 Mustang Fastback
70 T/A Challenger 340
69 Charger 426
66 GTO Tripower 4 spd
68 Boss 302
70.5 Z28


70 chevlle 450 hp 454
68 GTO
66 AC 427 Cobra
70 HEMI CHARGER
70 HEMI CUDA
70 BOSS 429 MUSTANG
69 zl1 CORVETTE
 
There are No Royal Bobcat GTO's on the List Grumpy. Nor 1967- 1969 L-88 Corvettes.
Been told a. L-88 With Headers open could beat a 1966 427 Cobra.
1969 Royal Bobcat GTO Ram Air 5 Tunnel Port 400 a screamer.
500-525 Hp.

These are the factory numbers for each and every year of Pontiac trans am. A car that was exactly this awesome right here:


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There are No Royal Bobcat GTO's on the List Grumpy. Nor 1967- 1969 L-88 Corvettes.
Been told a. L-88 With Headers open could beat a 1966 427 Cobra.
1969 Royal Bobcat GTO Ram Air 5 Tunnel Port 400 a screamer.
500-525 Hp.
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ITS NOT MY LIST, WHY NOT POST WHAT YOU THINK ARE THE 7 BEST?
 
Ok Grumpy.
Feeling Down about our Friend Rich.
Hope he gets Better Soon.

1) 1970-1/2 Pontiac Trans Am with Ram Air IV Round port Exhaust engine & Muncie M-20 4-Speed Transmission. 12-bolt 8-7/8" Axle with 3.73 gears. All 4- speeds equupped exact. No A/C available. Race screamer on the street & track.
Superb handling from 100-160 mph. 160mph Speedo & 8K rpm Tachometer stock. Rally gauge pack stock. Just 88 made in 1970.

2) 1967-69 Chevrolet Corvette with L-88 427 Ci BBC. Pure Rave car unleashed on the street.
Bad to the Bone Fast.
Power not for the afraid or weakling afraid.

3) 1970 Pontiac GTO in Orbit Orange Paint.
Electric bright color. 100% unique. Sets off the Hanfsome body lines of the Musclebound GTO.
Any engine from 400-455 ci Ok. All perform.

4) 1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am with 303ci Ram Air 5 Tunnel port intake engine. 4.5 squaure inch cross section intake ports. Designed to Rev to 8,400 RPM's.
 
5) 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W30 455.
Just stellar Musclebound Styling.
Mega Torque. Ride in style & blow away that hopped up fart can myffler Civic that belongs to a Luberal Lozer....

6) 1965 Chevrolet Corvette 396 ci BBC 425HP Solid Lufter Engine. 4- speed .
4.10 Gears.
Drag Race Youv& spot 4-5 car lengths.
Run for a $100 Benji note.

7) Any 1984-96 Chevrolet Corvette.
Convertible Preferred.
Have to drive Daily.
Race others. Ypu will win.
 
i was just talking about this with my buddy the other day... his neighbor just bought a 79 trans am with a turn key ls3 crate motor and 4L65e trans, along with some other upgrades in brakes and suspension... the car with the 430hp at the flywheel ran a 12.50 at 115 and im sure it puts down more power over a more useable rpm range than the OVERWHELMING majority of the muscle cars from way back when... which led us to the same conclusion, guys have some fond memories of shit that never actually happened. in a time where practically NO ONE was making 450hp i havent met anyone who claims their old hot rod ran slower than 12.000
 
I love it when I was selling my bike I had a kid want to trade me his so called 10 second 500hp civic. After asking him some quick questions I weeded through his BS. I don't think he understood I grew up at the track and understand what a 10 second car is and what it takes to get there. lol one of first questions I asked was did it have a cage and what psi it made 500hp at with what octane gas. So the memories of made up numbers go on generation after generation muscle car or other. LOL one of the funnest cars we had was a Honda we kept trying to blow up ran a bottle NOS right in the intake tube no switch just turn the bottle open and go allot of pissed off mustangs and comaro's that was late 90's.
 
im sure he answered with "no, uh, and ummm" to those three questions, respectively
 
yeah! Im not sure if its senility or STUPIDITY that takes over in some guys minds ,at times when I get drawn into some car related discussions!
I rarely find a guy who owned a 289 engine in a 1965-68 mustang that did not have a 4 speed and easily cracked off low 12 second time slips with a basically stock car.
and the guys with 11 second 327 SBC ENGINES and 4 speeds in their novas back in the day that could pull the wheels for 100 feet on a launch must have been hard to beat?
Its hard not to choke or laugh outright,when you listen to this guys!
I find it especially strange when my 13.7:1 compression 496 bbc powered pontiac lemans at the time was running only in the mid to high 11 second range and I seldom had any competition. keep in mind this was back when the HEMI cuda pro-stock cars were running low 10 second times, or about 1.5 seconds faster. and I had at the time about $5000-$6000 in the engine parts and machine work, which was close to the cost of a new corvette back then
I remember most of those novas and mustangs running high 13-14 second time slips
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...bbc-muscle-car-engine-combo.10084/#post-39412
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I love it when I was selling my bike I had a kid want to trade me his so called 10 second 500hp civic. After asking him some quick questions I weeded through his BS. I don't think he understood I grew up at the track and understand what a 10 second car is and what it takes to get there. lol one of first questions I asked was did it have a cage and what psi it made 500hp at with what octane gas. So the memories of made up numbers go on generation after generation muscle car or other. LOL one of the funnest cars we had was a Honda we kept trying to blow up ran a bottle NOS right in the intake tube no switch just turn the bottle open and go allot of pissed off mustangs and comaro's that was late 90's.
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that reminds me of a video... street racing tip #187 how not to spray your car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVmJ-bW7IpM
 

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yeah! Im not sure if its senility or STUPIDITY that takes over in some guys minds ,at times when I get drawn into some car related discussions!
I rarely find a guy who owned a 289 engine in a 1965-68 mustang that did not have a 4 speed and easily cracked off low 12 second time slips with a basically stock car.
and the guys with 11 second 327 SBC ENGINES and 4 speeds in their novas back in the day that could pull the wheels for 100 feet on a launch must have been hard to beat?
Its hard not to choke or laugh outright,when you listen to this guys!
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i guess its worse for some of you guys who were there, and drove the cars, at that time... because trying to pass off a lie to someone who wasnt around when it happened it feasible, but you were drag racing back then, and you know better... they should acknowledge that and keep the bullshit stories to a minimum
 
philly said:
i was just talking about this with my buddy the other day... his neighbor just bought a 79 trans am with a turn key ls3 crate motor and 4L65e trans, along with some other upgrades in brakes and suspension... the car with the 430hp at the flywheel ran a 12.50 at 115 and im sure it puts down more power over a more useable rpm range than the OVERWHELMING majority of the muscle cars from way back when... which led us to the same conclusion, guys have some fond memories of shit that never actually happened. in a time where practically NO ONE was making 450hp i havent met anyone who claims their old hot rod ran slower than 12.000
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Your conclusion is not entirety true Phil.
There was some there & did it.

I found 455 #3.
I want it.
Actually found 6 today.
455# 3 good for the year.
Doing ultimate SIN.
455 IN A C4 VETTE CONVERTIBLE.
 
im sure there was brian, im no dummy. but its like grumpy said, everyone 289 mustang had a 4 speed and they were all 64 1/2 THE FIRST YEAR!! and they were all fastbacks, and they all ran 11's


not everyone had a 455 poncho, some guys had a 2 barrel 389, but when they tell the stories its always the same. "I HAD THE BIGGEST BEST SHIT YOU COULD GET, CHECKED ALL THE BOXES ON THE DEALERS ORDER FORM, when i was delivering NEWSPAPERS for a living"

"THOSE WERE THE DAYS"
 
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I like your thinking Brian
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It comes done to cost & I want Big Tube Headers.
Just not paying $2k for custom big tubes for a SBC right now.
Still have to hope they fit.
Rest of exhaust has to be custom bent built too.
$2k can buy & build another 455 Pontiac.
 
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