how many guys use a SLUG GUN for hunting

Discussion in 'shotgun related' started by grumpyvette, Jan 11, 2010.

  1. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    there are seven states that now mandate "shotgun slugs only" either statewide, or in large areas. These are: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Rhode Island. Then there are 15 more that have regional regs to the same effect: Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New York, North and South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin. Moreover, two more states, Kentucky and Maine, will probably go the partial route, if not for this season, then in '97.

    There was a long time when many of these states couldn't decide just what to make of these new-fangled shotguns with rifled bores. Were they shotguns or dries? Were they legal in the context of the existing game laws? Fortunately, all have resolved the issue and none of the 22 aforementioned states disallow the rifled barrel.

    I've said before, if you do business where there are no bans against the use of high-power rifles for hunting, you needn't concern yourself with what's happening on the slug scene. But if that's not the case, there's something for you to bone up on this year.

    With Savage and Mossberg having entered the market with fully-rifled, bolt-action slug guns, that now brings to four the number of major manufacturers to have done so. Last year, Browning and Marlin did it.

    I've just finished testing the two new guns, the Mossberg 695 and the Savage 210. The former is derived from an action Mossberg's been using for decades as a basis for a budget line of shotguns. Savage, on the other hand, had no such existing action and designed one from scratch, based on the 3-inch 12-gauge shotshell.

    Since this is not GUNS magazine where new firearms are reported on in depth, suffice to say that these guns are capable of some pretty astounding accuracy - like 2 1/2-inch groups from the bench at 100 yards. Not only are the sabot loads of Federal, Winchester, Lightfield - and the Copper Solids of Remington - accurate, but they virtually double the effective range of the old Foster-type slugs when used in smoothbores.

    Despite all this newfound potential, however, these guns are still 125-yard Whitetail and Black Bear rigs, period. Along this vein, I've heard that some of my gun-writing colleagues have commented that these guns are effective out to 175 and even 200 yards. Not only is this not true, but to even hint that the rifled slug gun with sabots is lethal out to 200 yards is a great disservice to both the industry and the hunting fraternity.
    https://shop.opticsplanet.com/dnz-p...MIneaPla6D2QIVXZ7ACh2UdwA3EAQYAyABEgLnpvD_BwE
    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/633843 ... g-box-of-5
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    I'VE NOT USED THESE YET ON BEARS,
    BUT ON A 200 LB HOG , AND DEER,THEY ARE DEVASTATING, AND A 1 3/8 OZ SLUG AT 1800FPS WITH OVER 3300 FT LBS SHOULD GET DAMN NEAR ANYTHINGS ATTENTION

    THIS SAVAGE IS AN EXCELLENT GUN
    these bolt action shotguns have rifled bore designed to stabilize slugs YES THERES A LOWER RECOIL 20GA VERSION

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    http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/212camo

    http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

    http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_slug_gun.htm

    if your restricted to shotgun only areas , your not in as bad shapes as you might at first think!
    these rifled slug guns do a really good job on deer out to about 140 yards
    my late uncle, used his savage slug gun to kill several large black bears, and while the average range was under 75 yards he stated it slammed them so hard they rarely did more than spin, fall and twitch

    http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm

    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... 0152654112

    https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....y-shotgun-mould-sabot-slug-12-gauge-525-grain

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...g-bullet-mold-12-gauge-681-diameter-525-grain
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    keep in mind these slugs are loaded inside a plastic shot-cup,
    that compresses and grips the slug, and rifling, in the shotguns bore,
    (if its a rifled bore designed for slugs)
    as its forced down the bore, the slug itself never touches the shotgun bores rifling , which acts as a sabot thats discarded as it leaves the bore.
    you can buy a mold and cast your own at a considerable cost savings if you reload.

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  2. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... 0152654112

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    these work reasonably well in my rifled slug gun


    This is load data for the 525 Gr. Lyman Sabot Slug. Its tough to format for the forum but the list reads of follows.

    Powder Charge Primer Wad Velocity Pressure

    Federal Gold Medal

    Univ. Clays 36.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1503 10,100
    WSF 34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 11,300
    Herco 32.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1389 11,100
    SR 4756 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1585 10,500
    800X 31.5 Fed 209AWAA12 1459 10,700
    Blue Dot 46.5 Win 209 WAA12R 1544 9,900
    571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1429 10,700

    Federal Plastic Hunting

    Univ. Clays 35.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1442 9,300
    34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1421 9,200
    Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1297 9,100
    SR 4756 40.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1439 8,300
    800X 30.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1403 9,800
    Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1408 7,300
    571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1405 9,900

    Fiocchi Plastic

    Univ. Clays 34.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1478 10,100
    WSF 31.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1383 10,000
    SR 4756 37.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1396 8,700
    N3SH 36.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1486 9,700
    Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1476 8,800

    Remington RTL (Premier)

    Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1386 10,800
    Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1269 11,100
    Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12 1249 11,300
    SR 4756 34.0 Rem 209PWAA12R 1448 11,100
    SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1462 10,900
    Blue Dot 41.0 Rem 209PWAA12F114 1475 11,000
    Blue Dot 43.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1501 11,200

    Remington Unibody SP

    Univ. Clays 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1416 9,900
    WSF 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1434 11,400
    Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12 1336 10,600
    SR 4756 37.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1468 10,200
    800X 31.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1440 10,700
    Blue Dot 45.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 9,300
    Blue Dot 46.0 Win 209 Fed 12S4 1532 10,600

    Winchester AA

    Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1358 9,700
    Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1271 11,100
    Unique 22.5 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1231 10,500
    WSF 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1393 11,000
    WSF 28.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1332 10,500
    Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1273 10,900
    SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1378 8,800
    N3SH 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1372 10,100
    Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1474 9,200


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    btw
    12 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .729 inches. 16 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .662 inches. 20 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .615 inches. 28 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .550 inches.

    if you notice the 58 caliber mini ball mold cast projectile, has the correct diameter to be loaded in a 20 ga plastic shot cup in a 20 ga too effectively work as a slug
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/5...3-58-caliber-575-diameter-510-grain-new-style
     
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  3. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

  4. rbl2

    rbl2 Well-Known Member

    I'd rather use my .58 muzzle loaders. I didn't say they were better, I said I prefer them to a shotgun slug.
     
  5. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    I do a good deal of hunting with both a 58cal muzzle loader and a 12 ga slug gun,both are very effective in skilled hands,
    the properly loaded muzzle loader has a bit longer effective range, but the shotgun can be a repeating action, most deer are shot at well under 120 yards so If given a choice Id select the modern slug gun in most cases

    Ive got the 12 ga savage bolt version, I found its extremely accurate with some sabot ammo but a great deal less accurate with some foster type slugs, so if you have several types of ammo test them and try to stock up on what works.
    I also found that the way you hand load shot shells has a huge effect on accuracy, simply swapping wads or powder has a very noticeable effect.

    http://www.buckandslug.webspace.virginm ... sdata.html

    http://www.buckandslug.webspace.virginm ... /load.html

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/770274 ... gauge-1-oz

    http://data.hodgdon.com/shotshell_load.asp

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/778041 ... -525-grain
     

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