I could REALLY use ideas ,make this web site self supporting? it takes a good bit of time and effort to post most of this stuff and any ideas that might generate some cash flow are very welcome gentlemen I've got to find a way to make some cash flow out of some where ,either from this website, traffic, or some side enterprise,I can think up, yeah! I know we ALL have financial issues and we ALL have to budget and make choices, thats the way life works and I,m no different than anyone else, Obviously it would help if we got a good deal more traffic flow on the site and a good deal more membership, as that would eventually make it worth while for some advertisers to want to advertize and kick in a few bucks monthly which would certainly help, but I'm a bit reluctant to go that route. as always I'm open to ideas, and would be open to any private discussion of options, Id rather find some product, or service, I could sell or manufacture and sell. of find a few members who had some business they could promote, on the site and kick back a small percentage of sales, so,we could both benefit from, the site.there are dozens of projects I could do and detail and post pictorials on, with detailed instructions , part numbers etc. If we had the cash generated by membership donations or advertisers, paying a monthly fee, as that cash flow being available like on many other web sites allow that to happen. as most of you know I'm hardly tech savvy, so any help you members can provide getting off site links posted else ware to increase traffic to the site is much appreciated!