I just don,t understand the attitude!

Discussion in 'MISC. mods and equip.' started by Grumpy, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    honestly, I just don,t understand the attitude! of some people,
    I'm amazed that there are many people who some how actually expect , any and every part you could ever want to be available over the counter and easily available for working on a custom car project to be accomplished, completely with off the shelf and over the counter parts!
    One of the neighbors kids who,s in his late 20s stops by to watch me working on my corvette, yesterday.
    I was fabricating a bracket to move the alternator a bit further out away from the engine about 3/4" so I had milled and drilled a couple pieces of 3/8" aluminum plate and was measuring the two parts for a spacer so I could weld up a custom bracket.
    the kids name is JACK, and he watches me then after awhile asked me why I was making the custom alternator bracket....I explained that I was re-locating the alternator so it would be a whole lot easier to remove the valve cover on the drivers side as the current stock O.E.M. accessory bracket makes the process a P.I.T.A. and its generally much easier to do if you don,t have to temporarily remove the alternator to remove the valve cover.
    He looks at me obviously confused and then, asked me if they sell the brackets, already made, that did that?
    and then he pointed out the fact that the current accessory drive fan belt obviously would no longer fit, so what was I going to do with a bracket that effectively made the alternator useless without a belt?
    obviously I had failed to think that through carefully......
    I'm beginning to think the concept of custom fabricated parts and marrying parts from a totally different application to improve your car is a concept thats not only not that common, its almost un-thinkable to the flip through the latest catalog and "
    order what you need.... mind-set -crowd
    I explained that you could simply measure the fan belt length required, and as long as the bracket, or some pulley that was supporting the fan belt like the idler pulley had some adjustment to compensate it would not be an issue! you don,t necessarily need to have an O.E.M/. part to have your car function perfectly as it was designed too!.
    In my mind thats why they invented milling machines, lathes, dial calipers and tig welders.....its the simple fact that if you see a need for some part that you don,t currently have , but you can accurately draw it out and accurately meassure exactly what you need and have at least some mechanical, fabrication and basic engineering skills , and the tools and materials, damn near anything you can envision, is merely a couple hours, time, a lot of careful measuring and test fitting time, and a pile of machining chips , and some welding time away!
    perhaps its just old school thinking here! but I feel building your own components if you have the skills to do so, makes the car far more "YOURS" and custom, than simply having deep pockets and ordering everything you want.
    and it damn sure beats NOT having exactly what you want, simply because you can,t find what you need or want listed in some catalog!



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  2. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

    Vehicles are not BUILT anymore, they are BOUGHT.:(
     
  3. Strictly Attitude

    Strictly Attitude solid fixture here in the forum

    depends on the crown there are still ones that embrace the concept youth will still have it's issues that youth has always had mainly lack of real life experience.
     
  4. hotrod coupe

    hotrod coupe Well-Known Member

    old fogies and indigent youth still make do with what they have or can make on their own.
     
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  5. chasracer

    chasracer New Member

    Totally agree with you... I just ran into the same type of mentality on two other different forums. I want to put a front mounted R&P on my '55 Chev. I also want to retain a good portion of the current front frame with the a-arms but am quite capable of whacking the hell out it as needed and putting the R&P where I want it. From most of the responses I got on it, you would have thought I was committing some unbelievable, horrible act. They swore up and down that I would fail and that the only kits available put the R&P behind the crossmember - and that's what I would have to use. I have never hesitated to use a different manufacturer's better idea if it fits my scheme, I thought that was part of hot rodding? And on these forums, I thought I was in the company of hot rodders - but I was wrong.
     
  6. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    yeah creativity and ingenuity, and the ability to think outside the box even marginally, that goes along with those two skills,
    both seem to be on the way too becoming lost arts.
    that and the ability to logically break down into individual steps how and why various sub systems in the car work.
    one of the guys I occasionally do some repair work for on his 1995 corvette, came over with a pair of left and right door power window motors ,
    he stated both window motors had failed simultaneously, while that might happen I decided to use a multi meter and do a bit of research,
    and as I expected, the problem was related to fuses and relays
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    you really need to purchase a multi meter and a SHOP MANUAL and look thru the schematics
    without testing theres almost no way to locate the source of your problem,, testing will tell you

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    http://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-1-dig ... 98674.html
    heres a cheap yet effective multi meter
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  7. T-Test

    T-Test Well-Known Member

    Why reinvent the wheel? There is a good reason most things are done a certain way. But if the changes you want on your car call for a front mounted R/P the YOU will have to figure a way to do it and still keep the car driveable and safely.

    And you are wrong--we are just OLDER and WISER HotRodders that figure out how without spending more money than you young guns on something that isn't necessary..
     
  8. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Race Car Fabrication work.
    Best to seek out and ask for help.
     
  9. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Grumpy knows alot.
    I do also.
     
  10. chasracer

    chasracer New Member

    No - I'm not wrong at all and its damned funny how everyone jumps to conclusions. Got my first hot rod at 12, that means I'm been doing this stuff for 53 years now.
     
  11. T-Test

    T-Test Well-Known Member

    Re-Read post #1 and you'll have your answer.

    quote
    "I explained that you could simply measure the fan belt length required, and as long as the bracket, or some pulley that was supporting the fan belt like the idler pulley had some adjustment to compensate it would not be an issue! you don,t necessarily need to have an O.E.M/. part to have your car function perfectly as it was designed too!."
    "In my mind thats why they invented milling machines, lathes, dial calipers and tig welders.....its the simple fact that if you see a need for some part that you don,t currently have , but you can accurately draw it out and accurately meassure exactly what you need and have at least some mechanical, fabrication and basic engineering skills , and the tools and materials, damn near anything you can envision, is merely a couple hours, time, a lot of careful measuring and test fitting time, and a pile of machining chips , and some welding time away!
    perhaps its just old school thinking here! but I feel building your own components if you have the skills to do so, makes the car far more "YOURS" and custom, than simply having deep pockets and ordering everything you want.
    and it damn sure beats NOT having exactly what you want, simply because you can,t find what you need or want listed in some catalog!"
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 8, 2018
  12. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

    What he said!
     

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