if you ever wanted a true big bore rifle, do some research before purchase
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz- ... i-classic/
I wanted a 500 jeffery so bad I could taste it, but I bought a 458 lott because the dealer I deal with told me that it would cost me over $1200 more and require a 4 month wait when I inquired, now that I have the 458 lott I think I made the correct decision.
$1308.00 USD 458 LOTT
$3279.00 USD 500 jeffery
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/462515 ... -box-of-20 $135 for 20 cases
vs
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/340526 ... -box-of-50 $55 for 50 cases
especially since I already own about a dozen .458 cast bullet molds
just a tip or two,
(1) use gas check bullet designs, they consistently provide less bore fouling
(2) use 215 fed primers as they seem to be the most consistent in my testing
(3) size the bullets you cast at .459, any smaller and accuracy seems to suffer
(4) if you graph out bullet weight vs velocity , and retained energy at 100 and 200 yards,
you get a curve indicating the 350 grain -420 grain weight is about ideal, in the 45/70 and 450 marlin rifles
all cartridges should be loaded to near max length the magazine can handle for best functional durability/consistency
as the loaded cartridge length must be rather consistent, heavier projectiles take up more of the available powder capacity, on reason projectiles over about 420 grains are not ideal.
http://gaschecks.castpics.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=17
heres a few molds I find work well.
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/index.html
the 355 seems to shoot well with most powders
the pointed 405 can be used in the browning BLR box magazine but its marginally less accurate than the 355 grain in my experience, your rifle might be different
BTW I cast my bullets from 95% WW alloy and 5% pure tin, sized and lubed to .459 diam
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/632708/rcbs-1-cavity-bullet-mold-45-405-fn-45-caliber-458-diameter-405-grain-flat-nose-gas-check
heres jacketed bullets well documented to work well,in a 450 marlin
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/45-cal-458-350-gr-interlock-rn#!/
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...-government-458-diameter-405-grain-soft-point
https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullets/458/458-350-fn-bullet
https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/...flat-nose-rifle-bullets/458/458-400-fn-bullet
IMR 3031 and WW748 , and RL7 powders all work rather well.
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/45-cal-458-350-gr-interlock-rn#!/
your talking about the choice between two rather different yet similar in some respects ,calibers and rifles designed for different uses.
the 458 win is an American caliber that will cost less to reload or buy ammo for and it can be used to shoot cast bullets cheaply when your done fantasizing, so you can actually use it to hunt (I OWN ONE ITS A GREAT RIFLE) the 416 rigby ammo costs a good deal more, brass is more expensive, and if your just dreaming its just a more expensive deal all the way around.
now theres no question the 416 rigby is a bit more versatile, and will work rather well , but its NOT designed as a STOPPING RIFLE.
the 458 win was designed to duplicate the ballistics and hitting power of a British dangerous game rifle in the 450-470 caliber range, these mostly throw a 480 grain-to-520 grain bullet at between 2100fps and 2400fps, and by design mostly use or at least are intended to use solids that penetrate an elephants skull or bust both shoulder on a cape buffalo, the 458 is designed as a STOPPING rifle for use in stopping a charge at under 60 yards.
the 416 rigby , like the 375 H&H is fully capable of killing anything in Africa, but its not designed specifically as a stopping rifle.
theres a difference between being able to kill with a single shot (which the 375 H&H and 416rigby do well)and stopping a charge of a truly pissed off dangerous animal at pistol shot ranges for which the added caliber (diameter & impact area) and bullet weight of the 458 calibers 500-510 grain slug have over time proven to have a sight advantage.
read AFRICAN RIFLES AND CARTRIDGES
by JOHN TAYLOR
IF YOU CHOOSE TO RELOAD
458 win brass $56 for 50 cases
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... =000038694
$46 for 50 bullets
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... =000034507
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/defau ... le&Source=
416 rigby brass $75 for 25
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... 1320210605
$46 for 50 bullets
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... =000034167
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/defau ... er&Source=
personally I think the 458 wins a better choice as lower velocity 405 grain and various cast bullet loads make it a good deal more fun to hunt with especially if you already own a 375H&H
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz- ... i-classic/
I wanted a 500 jeffery so bad I could taste it, but I bought a 458 lott because the dealer I deal with told me that it would cost me over $1200 more and require a 4 month wait when I inquired, now that I have the 458 lott I think I made the correct decision.
$1308.00 USD 458 LOTT
$3279.00 USD 500 jeffery
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/462515 ... -box-of-20 $135 for 20 cases
vs
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/340526 ... -box-of-50 $55 for 50 cases
especially since I already own about a dozen .458 cast bullet molds
just a tip or two,
(1) use gas check bullet designs, they consistently provide less bore fouling
(2) use 215 fed primers as they seem to be the most consistent in my testing
(3) size the bullets you cast at .459, any smaller and accuracy seems to suffer
(4) if you graph out bullet weight vs velocity , and retained energy at 100 and 200 yards,
you get a curve indicating the 350 grain -420 grain weight is about ideal, in the 45/70 and 450 marlin rifles
all cartridges should be loaded to near max length the magazine can handle for best functional durability/consistency
as the loaded cartridge length must be rather consistent, heavier projectiles take up more of the available powder capacity, on reason projectiles over about 420 grains are not ideal.
http://gaschecks.castpics.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=17
heres a few molds I find work well.
http://www.neihandtools.com/catalog/index.html
the 355 seems to shoot well with most powders
the pointed 405 can be used in the browning BLR box magazine but its marginally less accurate than the 355 grain in my experience, your rifle might be different
BTW I cast my bullets from 95% WW alloy and 5% pure tin, sized and lubed to .459 diam
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/632708/rcbs-1-cavity-bullet-mold-45-405-fn-45-caliber-458-diameter-405-grain-flat-nose-gas-check
heres jacketed bullets well documented to work well,in a 450 marlin
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/45-cal-458-350-gr-interlock-rn#!/
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...-government-458-diameter-405-grain-soft-point
https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullets/458/458-350-fn-bullet
https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/...flat-nose-rifle-bullets/458/458-400-fn-bullet
IMR 3031 and WW748 , and RL7 powders all work rather well.
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/45-cal-458-350-gr-interlock-rn#!/
al said:
your talking about the choice between two rather different yet similar in some respects ,calibers and rifles designed for different uses.
the 458 win is an American caliber that will cost less to reload or buy ammo for and it can be used to shoot cast bullets cheaply when your done fantasizing, so you can actually use it to hunt (I OWN ONE ITS A GREAT RIFLE) the 416 rigby ammo costs a good deal more, brass is more expensive, and if your just dreaming its just a more expensive deal all the way around.
now theres no question the 416 rigby is a bit more versatile, and will work rather well , but its NOT designed as a STOPPING RIFLE.
the 458 win was designed to duplicate the ballistics and hitting power of a British dangerous game rifle in the 450-470 caliber range, these mostly throw a 480 grain-to-520 grain bullet at between 2100fps and 2400fps, and by design mostly use or at least are intended to use solids that penetrate an elephants skull or bust both shoulder on a cape buffalo, the 458 is designed as a STOPPING rifle for use in stopping a charge at under 60 yards.
the 416 rigby , like the 375 H&H is fully capable of killing anything in Africa, but its not designed specifically as a stopping rifle.
theres a difference between being able to kill with a single shot (which the 375 H&H and 416rigby do well)and stopping a charge of a truly pissed off dangerous animal at pistol shot ranges for which the added caliber (diameter & impact area) and bullet weight of the 458 calibers 500-510 grain slug have over time proven to have a sight advantage.
read AFRICAN RIFLES AND CARTRIDGES
by JOHN TAYLOR
IF YOU CHOOSE TO RELOAD
458 win brass $56 for 50 cases
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... =000038694
$46 for 50 bullets
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... =000034507
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/defau ... le&Source=
416 rigby brass $75 for 25
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... 1320210605
$46 for 50 bullets
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... =000034167
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/defau ... er&Source=
personally I think the 458 wins a better choice as lower velocity 405 grain and various cast bullet loads make it a good deal more fun to hunt with especially if you already own a 375H&H
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