If You Happen To Run Into An Un-expected Issue Stop Think Things Through!

Grumpy

The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer.
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One of the differences between, being young and in a hurry and older and having a great deal more experience in building engines ,
is that with experience and
a long memory of previous screw ups,
is that over time you get a bit more cautious
,
if you happen to run into an un-expected issue STOP THINK THINGS THROUGH!
now most of this thread are related too todays issue,
but theres hundreds of times when youll find some part won,t fit,
or function as you intend or expect..
always step back mentally and ask yourself WHY?
and what CHANGED?, what can I do to rectify or change this ,
rather than thinking ,you can force the parts too fit,
and function through brute force!

in most cases stopping and thinking things through,
is going to be FAR cheaper than blindly pushing on.

DON,T simply assume the use a bigger breaker bar and forcing the bolts too line up approach,
may work, at the first indication somethings not working as expected..
stop, and find out what changed, and/or what needs to be clearanced, aligned or replaced.!
I was helping a local guy install an intake manifold on his car after he had had his cylinder heads ,
back from a local machine-shop,where he had a valve job done to correct minor damage that was the result of a blown head gasket.
the heads had been decked a few thousands and as a result the intake manifold bolts and the location of the cylinder head threaded holes.
that the manifold used to secure that manifold to the heads had changed just enough to no longer allow the manifold to sit on the engine,
and still allow proper mounting bolt alignment.
the solution was rather simple, the manifold mounting bolt holes must be marginally lengthened, to prevent the sides of the manifold mounting bolts from bearing on the holes that were previously more or less rather more correctly aligned.
this was a rather simple modification, but it was mandatory if the intake manifold was to seat properly,
on the heads after they were previously milled a few thousands.
milling the heads a few thousands of an inch seems too be a minor and rather minimal change but you effectively moved the bolt holes a bit lower and closer to the block deck surface,
this effectively results in the manifold moving marginally higher in relation to the heads and even though its hard to envision,
the milled heads on the block effectively make the intake manifold sit a tiny bit higher on the cylinder head mounting face,
thus the intake port alignment is also now changed marginally.
obviously the amount the heads were milled will make milling the matched intake mounting surfaces mandatory at some point so accurate measurements are essential,
if your going to restore proper intake manifold port alignment,
and if much of the heads were milled the block end walls will also interfere with proper manifold alignment,
thus in some cases the ends of the intake manifold might also require modifications in clearance.

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/milling-heads-and-intakes.2988/#post-9055

https://www.onallcylinders.com/2016...ics-of-head-milling-to-gain-more-compression/

http://www.victorylibrary.com/mopar/intake-mill-c.htm
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in rather random order, heres just a few threads too get you thinking ahead...of many,
areas that always need to be looked into while engines are assembled
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http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...eed-to-think-about-in-your-engine-combo.3156/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/oil-system-mods-that-help.2187/


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/installing-an-oil-pump-pick-up-tube.1800/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/matching-parts-and-a-logical-plan.7722/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...l-pumps-pressure-bye-pass-circuit-works.3536/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/cam-bearing-install-tools-install-info.1479/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-to-take-awhile-but-theres-good-tips.15295/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...54-bbc-engine-have-any-power-potential.12343/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...hanics-of-adv-ret-a-camshaft.4532/#post-67562

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/finding-a-machine-shop.321/#post-59253

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/distrib-gear-issues.11291/#post-51208

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/383-information-overload.11137/#post-49857

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/testing-a-chevy-oil-pump.6479/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/bearing-clearances.2726/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/don-t-beat-that-damper.83/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/harmonic-balancer.3554/
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http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ectly-and-get-it-to-last-cam-install-info.90/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/valve-train-clearances-and-problems.528/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/checking-piston-to-valve-clearances.399/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/rocker-push-rod-wear-issues.9815/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...e-springs-and-setting-up-the-valve-train.181/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/dynamic-vs-static-compression.727/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/piston-to-bore-clearance.4630/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...alves-and-polishing-combustion-chambers.2630/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/turning-your-crank-manually.5933/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/pushrod-length-tolerance.15189/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-pushrods-and-check-info-you-might-need.5931/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/thrust-bearing-wear.619/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-piston-ring-grooves-and-related-info.1797/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/maximizing-piston-to-bore-ring-seal.3897/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...piston-to-bore-clearance-on-your-block.14251/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...g-and-installing-connecting-rods-pistons.247/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/piston-related-info.110/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-and-basic-piston-ring-info-youll-need.509/
 
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I was recently asked to diagnose an issue a neighbor had with a twin turbo LS engine in his 1968 GTO
he is in the process of assembling,
(I was rather impressed with his project and how much cash he had spent so far)
he had installed the twin turbos as a KIT he purchased on the internet after watching several related videos
( no I don,t know what he paid or which kit he bought)
I got the strong impression that he purchased the parts,
at a big discount,
from some who had bought the parts but either never installed them,
or had tried to install them and given up.

the engine he has would run very well in the car before he installed the twin turbo upgrade,
but it seemed to have gained little if any additional torque or horsepower
,in fact it seems to have lost a bit of power at over 5000 rpm ,
from its original non-boosted configuration.
now Im certainly not a turbo expert,
so I asked him many questions about the injector size he used,
how he had tested fuel pressure, ignition advance ect.
had he done a compression test, had he checked the valve adjustment ect.
we looked over the installation instructions and checked each step,
and he seemed to have done everything per the instructions.

but the first things you check with any engine that lacks power,

are the basics like compression,
ignition timing, fuel pressure, oil pressure, coolant temps,
exhaust header temps, and exhaust back pressure,
and obviously, the plugs condition, lack of ignition spark,
firing order ignition wire route mistakes,
and you look for mechanical issues like broken valve springs,
and I thought I found a valid clue when I used a plenum vacuum pressure gauge and found he was getting only about 2 psi of boost,
as he raised the engine rpms to about 3500 rpm
fuel and oil pressure were good ignition timing was advancing,
everything but boost looked good, except the plugs looked overly rich, so as a test,

http://www.subaru4you.co.uk/how/how2.shtml

I had him carefully inspect the BOV ( blow off valve)(or BYE PASS PRESSURE VALVE) and he found it was not closing, at all.
he had assembled everything per the instructions but had only tried to drive the car around the block,

thus he was getting next to zero effective plenum boost as the turbo boost pressure was exiting the turbo but routed at least partly back into the intake side of the turbo
he made a few phone calls and he ordered a new pressure valve.
Im sure the car will be impressive once the bugs are worked out!
but hes still in the assembly and test stage and does not want to screw up expensive parts.
if you understand the basics of how things are designed to work,
you can generally locate or isolate problem areas if you think things through and do a few tests


this is the most consistently accurate I.R temp gun I've used for testing
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http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/e...1100200223789&utm_content=All Extech Products
INFRARED TEMP GUN

Wide temperature range from -58 to 1832°F (-50 to 1000°C)
any time that your dealing with a potential temperature issue or a trouble issue where , knowing the exact temperature vs what a gauge might say, it helps to have a handy and accurate infrared temp gun handy to locate and confirm heat, levels.

HAVE A GOOD DEAL OF USEFUL INFO
you really need

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a timing light,
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multi meter,
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vacuum gauge,
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fuel pressure gauge

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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/OTC-5609/
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compression test /leak down tester


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/don-t-guess-deal-in-facts.16293/#post-98666

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-to-be-a-forgotten-art-form.11838/#post-92981

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...boost-pressure-with-a-gauge.16254/#post-98430

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...oven-facts-if-your-in-doubt.13051/#post-88488




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