just curious what your choice in a defensive handgun would be and why?

Discussion in 'handgun related' started by Grumpy, Dec 23, 2015.

  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    I know what I choose and why I chose to carry what I do,
    but every person will make a choice based on his or her personal experience and preferences.
    GLOCK, 9mm, 45 acp, 10mm?
    S&W 357 mag revolver?
    COLT 45 ACP, 9MM?
    BERETTA 9MM, 40 CAL?
    SIG ?
    it helps if you keep in mind that the projectile you select does all the work and that theres a wide variation in projectile designs and the differences can and do change the results you can reasonably expect to see, generally larger diameter and heavier projectiles moving at higher speeds can impart significantly greater damage and penetration to the target they impact.
    as the heavier projectiles moving at higher speeds induce higher levels of recoil it generally requires more practice too learn too place shots consistently and accurately.
    EXAMPLE
    the FBI has determined that a pistol or rifle projectile that will consistently exceed at least 12" of penetration, but not exceed about 18" of penetration in ballistic gel to produce the desired results on a human target without having a huge potential for producing external damage well beyond the intended target once it passed through that target.
    S&W 1006 10mm
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    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/4/16/throwback-thursday-the-fbi-ammo-tests/

    http://www.brassfetcher.com/FBI Ammunition Protocol/FBI Ammunition Protocol.html


    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ment-that-makes-the-hand-gun-effective.14258/

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/05/how-does-your-ammo-stack-up-117-handgun-loads-compared/

    http://greent.com/40Page/general/fbitest.htm

    https://www.clearballistics.com/?_v...MI9_rI4PPV1wIVW1gNCh3dsQpREAMYASAAEgIJT_D_BwE


    ID ALSO POINT OUT that the fbi has recently started swapping to the 9mm luger cartridge as its lower recoil makes it easier for the less skilled and less practiced agents to hit targets (they claim the newer ammo is far superior to the old 9mm ammo that failed miserably in the 1980s miami shootout that caused them to swap to the 10mm with its vastly better terminal performance, but as you may know the higher recoil made the less skilled and under practiced agents much less effective are accurate pistol use, so rather than requiring the agents practice, until they mastered the larger and more effective cartridge they went back to the lower powered cartridge.
    they claim the slight increase in cartridge capacity, and thus potential shots available, makes up for the lack of individual projectile performance.
    (the concept of making your shots count and accurate shot placement seems lost on the "SPRAY AND PRAY" mentality)
    this seems a bit like the military where the 223 has a less than ideal reputation and the 7.62 has long been considered far more effective, but because the average soldier can carry twice as many 223 vs 7.62 for the weight , and the 223 is easier to control under full auto fire ,the 223 was selected.
    (personally Id rather trust my lift to a m 14 and carry 300 cartridges than a ar 15 with 600 cartridges) simply because I know the m14 reaches out further punches through more cover and one decent center mass hits usually fatal, and the guy behind the guy can also be killed.

    having concealed carry legal cost insurance may be a huge financial life saver

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/concealed-carry-liability-insurance.14222/
    the reality of a gun fight is that , if your forced to fight you MUST disable your opponent as rapidly and as effectively as you can too, prevail .... thats best accomplished by TOTALLY disabling your attacker and thats best accomplished by AVOIDING PERSONAL INJURY, and firing , a pistol thats 100% dependable , and that pistol has too be, both very rapidly accessible and accurate , a pistol that allows you to place your shots where they can do maximum damage ,and that demands you know anatomy and have the ability to rapidly and accurately place shots on target, as only MULTIPLE center mass hits are likely to do major damage, and decades of experience in the military and police work, indicate,you need at least 400 ft lbs to 500 ft lbs of energy , thats done with shots placed on the opponents vitals in my opinion, you won,t have the opportunity to precisely aim and squeeze off individual shots like you do at the target range.
    theres been hundreds of thousands of cases where people have been shot with hand guns and not only survived but continued to fight, its obvious that both where your shots strike an opponent and the depth of penetration and a knowledge of human anatomy is critical to rapidly stopping a threat!
    thus a good deal of practice at fairly close range (10 yards or less) and instinctive shooting will be helpful.
    no common hand gun caliber, even a 44 mag can be totally depended on to drop an opponent with a single hit, unless its very well placed and you might not have that ability under all conditions.
    while its shot placement and a knowledge of anatomy that are critical the selection of a dependable & accurate pistol with proven minimal power is a wise investment.


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    a bit of useful glock pistol generation info

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    http://concealedcarryconfidence.org...ng-and-gear/?gclid=CL_xvOuK2c8CFQipaQodZlEJ6Q

    http://sixguns.com/tests/tt10mm.htm

    http://www.handgunlaw.us/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...vs-concealment-in-a-defensive-hand-gun.14231/


    http://handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=10 mm&Weight=All&type=Handgun

    http://concealednation.org/2015/08/top-20-most-popular-concealed-carry-firearms-2015-edition/
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/best-concealed-carry-handguns/?page=1
    http://concealednation.org/2014/07/the-10-best-concealed-carry-guns/
    http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/readers-choice-real-list-the-13-concealed-carry-guns/
    https://www.frontsight.com/landingpg-1.asp?src=gaw&kw=best concealed carry firearm&gclid=CPzy8Yqz8skCFYU-aQod80MM9Q
    http://www.personaldefenseworld.com...rry-pistols/#top-12-concealed-carry-pistols-2
    https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/pdf/concealedcarrymagazineyourbest.pdf

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-useful-self-defense-pistol.13688/#post-70443

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...and-glock-20-21-30-29-leather-and-kydex-black

    every choice is a compromise in several areas, and without rather extensive and continuing practice and a source of financially reasonable prices and access to ammo, your unlikely to do whats required to be proficient.
    statistically most gunfights are at very close range and your not going to be placing precise shots.
    the reason the 45 ACP, and 357 mag have good reputations is that they are proven to work, well, and theres been plenty of them in use over the decades.
    (power, penetration, reasonable,accuracy, the weapons cartridge capacity, ease of reloading, carry weight, physical size, ease of concealment ,ease of use, the type of safety's or lack of, your unlikely to make a valid choice.) I rarely find anyone who can state exactly why they chose the particular caliber and type of pistol/revolver, most guys I talk with simply carry what they own, and few bought that particular pistol specifically and primarily as a concealed carry weapon.
    the key here is you must carry your handgun constantly for it to be accessible when and if its ever needed and it damn sure better function , and have the necessary power when needed.
    now if you do some research you'll quickly find there opinions that are all over the place on what might be an effective choice , but Id strongly suggest that you look into whats worked well historically, what your local laws allow to be used and to think through what might be one of the most important decisions you'll ever make!
    theres always a trade-off in size & weight vs power and accuracy and if you don,t carry it daily its unlikely to be with you when its needed.
    obviously the type of threats you could reasonably expect to encounter will be a major consideration as will the probable ranges of engagement.


    IF YOU CARRY CONCEALED THIS MIGHT INTEREST YOU
    http://ccwsafe.com/

    http://legallyarmed.com/ccw_statistics.htm

    http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/reciprocity.php

    https://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...y-a-spare-magazine-for-your-ccw-pistol.13934/

    RELATED INFO
    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...tol-cartridge-stopping-power-potential.13710/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/selecting-a-good-self-defence-handgun.1128/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/concealed-weapons-work.7656/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...y-a-different-gun-due-to-the-theater-in.7502/
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2018
  2. rlphvac

    rlphvac reliable source of info

    It depends where I'm going to be that day everyday carry a Ruger 357 LCR the 2nd gun can go from a Sig 938 carried mostly or the Glock 43 I just got. If I'm riding my Harley I will carry my Glock 27 , Ruger SR40 or my Ruger P90- 45cal & sometimes I will carry other guns. The day after the muslim got elected I had to do a job in the worst part of Pittsburgh I took 9 guns on me & extra mags because if someone was going to be shot I wasn't going to be the only one & I wasn't going to be killed because of the lack of firepower
     
  3. Dave

    Dave Member

    My Glock 20sf 10mm.. great for everything and everyday or a summertime light weight S&W .38 snub nose.. Nice pocket gun..
     
  4. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    both, nice choices, in my opinion,
    but from experience I can tell, both will require constant practice to be effective.
    no single hit from any handgun can be relied on to put an opponent out of action, you'll need to shoot rapidly and place as many shots as you can, aimed at center mass to reasonably disable a violent opponent so don,t stop shooting until the opponents obviously down and no longer a threat.
    under the threat of immanent death your accuracy is unlikely to be good!

    both the 38 spc snubbie revolver and glock 20 mm require practice and if you or anyone reading this thinks they don,t require practice , try to place two shots in a 3" circle off hand with either gun at 15 ft then at 20 yards,I know your thinking , not that difficult, well it takes a good deal of practice to do it consistently without missing, if you can place two to three rather quick shots and hit all the shots in a 3" circle at 7 yards, you can be very effective, in stopping an opponent. now try and do the same drill with someone screaming directly at you from two feet away
    most guys think that simply having a firearm on hand is all that it takes,but if you watch a few dozen confrontations (security cameras catch a good many) you ll quickly see most people involved, have little warning a criminal will strike, as obviously most criminals want to take maximum advantage and most people (even most cops) are far from decent shots, especially if being shot at.
    the fact is that only hits to an opponents vitals will stop a determined attack,
    and in most cases as soon as a potential victim returns fire the criminals are no longer feel they have a critical advantage.

     
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  5. Dave

    Dave Member

    Grumpy's right...Lotsa practice...And I do every chance I get...the snubbie more than the Glock..the snubbie is more of an up close and
    personal gun...the 10mm takes some practice too...It can be a bit snappy , depending on what round you use..
     
  6. rlphvac

    rlphvac reliable source of info

    I was at the range today fired 2-3# coffee cans of spent caseings I think I'm a decent shot but you never know when a bad situation happens how you will react & I hope I never have to know the answer to this. I fired about 2000 rounds of reloads in a lot of different calibers and only 1 issue but it could have been major 1 round didn't clear the barrel & I heard something wasn't right so I quit shooting & looked at the gun and saw the problem. I went to the hardware store & bought different sizes of wood dial rods & cut 1 foot pieces to carry in my range bag to clear the stuck bullet
     
  7. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    glad you caught that issue before it caused a major problem!
    constant practice develops, both weapon familiarity and muscle memory and both tend to help under stress
    Most of us will thankfully not be attacked or mugged, and obviously where you live and what you do for a living will change the odds, but chances are that at some point in your life you may be involved in a robbery, home invasion and having an awareness of your surroundings and having acquired a few basic martial skills may lessen the odds of your becoming a victim.
    now we all watch t.v. and movies, and I've noticed ,the Hollywood types, go to great lengths, to imply anyone who carries a gun, thats not a cop, must be a criminal.
    a fairly well known old saying is
    "a well armed society is a POLITE society"
    I,ve noticed a strong trend in the latest T.V. murder mystery's and similar shows,
    I'm sure the trend is deliberate...

    where a guy who is armed with a concealed carry handgun is attacked,
    and either killed or severely injured
    ,
    and showing that being armed with a handgun or knife is worthless
    the unspoken indication is that if your suddenly attacked
    having a concealed carry handgun will be useless,
    as you won,t have the ability to draw it nor use it in a close quarters confrontation.

    now a great deal of this comes down to training and mindset...
    and MAINTAINING YOUR CONSTANT situational awareness , and a minimal safe distance,
    no weapon is useful if you don,t have the skills to use it properly
    .
    no criminal is likely to attack unless he feels he has a big advantage,

    being totally aware of your surroundings can avoid a good deal of risk.....
    avoiding being vulnerable, is the key skill in many confrontations.
    knowing your opponents anatomy and being able to take full advantage of that knowledge is critical!
    no one single wound on an opponent,is likely to stop an attack.
    NO FOLDING KNIFE is GOING TO BE AS FAST OR AS DEPENDABLE AS A FIXED BLADE.

    Criminals will generally not confront someone they think could do them a great deal of physical harm, they look for defenseless and hopefully profitable victim's

    I will say that the vast majority of people with or without a concealed carry handgun,
    don,t have the basic martial arts skills and mental training to nearly instantly go on the defense then transition to offense in seconds.
    and few would have the skills to both protect their vitals from a knife or baseball bat type attack, which both seem to be screen writers favorites.
    I would also point out that a knife thats easily accessed in a shoulder holster rig
    , or belt holster ,
    in some cases would be much faster and easier too deploy effectively,
    in close quarter combat.
    but if your not some semi clueless actor forced to go by scripted actions,,
    you might be amazed at how fast and accurately a handgun might be put into effective defense,
    if you had the martial arts back ground and practice using it.

    btw theres bullet resistent clothing available
    http://www.bulletblocker.com/nij-iiia-bulletproof-black-wool-hooded-coat.html

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    I got asked how do you carry a full size handgun without the weight causing your slacks to constantly drag or ride low?
    the simple answer, use, decent quality suspenders, and a quality stiff belt with added belt loops that have d-rings or slide clips for the suspenders to clip securely to the stiff belt, solved the issue of how to carry a heavy pistol comfortably for me and had worked for decades
    Ive found the inside the waist band
    VEDDER comfort tuck holster extremely comfortable
    I've used one for a couple years daily to carry a 10mm glock model 20
    those suspenders are generally worm over a tee-shirt and a long waisted dress shirt over the holster and suspenders

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    decent quality suspenders, and a quality stiff belt with added belt loops that have d-rings or slide clips for the suspenders to clip securely to the stiff belt, solved the issue of how to carry a heavy pistol comfortably for me and had worked for decades
    Ive found the inside the waist band
    VEDDER comfort tuck holster extremely comfortable
    I've used one for a couple years daily to carry a 10mm glock model 20
    those suspenders are generally worm over a tee-shirt and under a long waisted dress shirt over the holster and suspenders
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  8. rlphvac

    rlphvac reliable source of info

    I don't know what happened either the powder measure was short or maybe I totally missed putting in the powder the bullet got stuck about 1 inch from the muzzle the gun is a 4inch bbl. Ruger SR40 do you think the primer could have sent it that far without powder
     
  9. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

  10. rlphvac

    rlphvac reliable source of info

    OK I feel better knowing that I most likely missed powder all together than charged wrong
     
  11. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    I never thought these words would never come from me but I'm finding with the new job I need to carry. I never worked so much for so little pay and some people can be some really questionable characters. One of the guys that works in my department was threatened tonight right at the base of the courthouse front steps. The county sheriff made an off the record comment that certain people should carry. Does any company make a holster that can be attached to a winter suit coat? That's what I wear going to and from work when it's cold out, carrying in the usual places could be a major fumble to get to it and that could get me killed for just that alone.
     
  12. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Oh, it would be great to carry in my right front coat pocket as I usually keep my right hand inside while walking.
     
  13. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    I know several people that have camera vests and light jackets with nylon holsters SECURELY SEWN inside easily accessibly pockets,
    this makes the pistol stay in exactly the same location, in the pocket.
    most carry a hammer-less 357 mag or 38 plus P revolver as dependability will be critical,
    the revolver wont print its outline, nor will it come loose and flop around and with practice access is amazingly fast, and snag resistant , and at the usual ranges the calibers and accuracy potential and stopping power in practiced hands is more than adequate
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...and-glock-20-21-30-29-leather-and-kydex-black

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...y-a-spare-magazine-for-your-ccw-pistol.13934/

    www.elitesurvival.com
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    http://www.vedderholsters.com/comforttuck/
    if you can,t COMFORTABLY carry your handgun of choice all day/every day,
    you don,t have the correct holster, pistol or mindset!
    a decent quality concealment holster USUALLY INSIDE THE BELT, being used on a defensive handgun MUST stay exactly where you place it, on your belt , or inside your pants,you damn sure don,t want it riding up, coming loose or allowing the guns location to shift, you need to be 100% certain about the guns location every time you go to grab it.
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    personally I think a 10mm or 45 acp,handgun with the carefully selected matching ammo for its intended purpose makes an exceptionally effective defensive fire arms choice, and I gladly compromise some conceal ability for a big increase in effectiveness, , after all, if you need to use it your lifes in danger by definition so you want and really need the most effective tool available, just having ANY GUN, or selecting one mostly based on ease of concealment and carry makes little sense in my opinion, that, ease of use, vs effectiveness when used, well thats a bit like..
    writing the local fire departments number in 3" tall numbers over all your phones in neon orange
    should you ever need them!
    rather than purchasing several decent fire extinguishers.
    because if and when your house or shop catches on fire,you expect someone else to fix the issue.
    rather than purchasing & having several FIRE EXTINGUISHERS located near the doors of your shop or easily accessed in several locations in your home
    which route do you think is more likely to limit the damage, if you need to instantly confront and deal with a fast escalating problem


    http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-hunter/

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    my neighbor bought one of these and I got too try it out at the range, its a darn nice pistol,
    its accurate, failed to jam,and the fact is a 6" barrel in 10MM makes it very effective.
    in fact Id have to say after shooting it its one Id like to own.
    theres ALWAYS a few compromises and a balance must be found between factors like ease of use, portability,cost, ease of concealment ,effective range, recoil,magazine capacity, etc. this pistol basically has a bit more power and effective range. and some advantages in ease of use,increased magazine capacity, than most 357 mag revolvers, you might select for hunting, while its not ideal because of its size for concealment its certainly something a larger frame adult male like myself could use, and certainly its a valid choice in my opinion as I already use a full size 10mm glock.
    I would actually prefer this pistol to my current glock 20 as it just feels better in my hand.

    heres another couple 10mm pistol options
    http://handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=10 mm&Weight=All&type=Handgun

    http://armscor.com/firearms/pro-series/pro-match-ultra-6-10mm/


    http://sixguns.com/tests/tt10mm.htm

    http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/12/17/review-glock-g40-gen4-mos-pistol/

    http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/10-mm-c-1316_1317_1318_1342.html

    http://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/handguns/witness-elite-limited-pro-178
     
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  14. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    That holster looks very good. I was thinking of a Springfield Armory XD-S .40 cal but that 357 sounds good.
     
  15. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Any special place to look for the holster you show above?
     
  16. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

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  17. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    Thanks, you lined up a lot of reading for me. I'll let you know what
    I pick out later this week.
     
  18. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    http://aliengearholsters.com/glock-...uck-3-0-iwb-holster-inside-the-waistband.html
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    http://aliengearholsters.com/search-by-gun
    I was recently given a very lightly pre-used holster which I find works rather well with my full size glock 10mm

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...and-glock-20-21-30-29-leather-and-kydex-black
    http://www.vedderholsters.com/comforttuck/
    if you can,t COMFORTABLY carry your handgun of choice all day/every day,
    you don,t have the correct holster, pistol or mindset!
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    these metal belt clips on the vedder holster hold, it in place on the belt and fit the belt more securely, better than the plastic belt clips on the aliengear holster , but the aliengear holster is molded to fit the gun both securely and allowing a bit easier draw
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    keep in mind in florida you generally don,t tuck in shirts, do wear jeans, and generally most of the adult males look like this at least where I live out in the boon docks, and Id bet 30% to 40% of the adult males in my neighborhood carry out here minimum
    obviously each person must find a personal compromise in what they carry concerning ,conceal-ability, weapon choice, (as to size, accuracy, effective range, and effectiveness) carry comfort and ease of access.
    or as my neighbor says, if your forced to use it, it damn sure better, be easy to access and function flawlessly, but it can,t be uncomfortable or a P.I.T.A. to carry.

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/how-many-people-around-us-carry-concealed-weapons
    According to the state, more than 1.4 million Floridians hold permits to legally carry weapons.

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    http://aliengearholsters.com/search-by-gun

    these metal belt clips on the vedder holster hold, it in place on the belt and fit the belt more securely, better than the plastic belt clips on the aliengear holster , but the aliengear holster is molded to fit the gun both securely and allowing a bit easier draw, Im rather inclined to order extra metal belt clips for both

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    https://www.amazon.com/Suspender-Attachment-Heavy-Accessories-Connectors/dp/B071K1HBYW

    I got asked how do you carry a full size handgun without the weight causing your slacks to constantly drag or ride low?
    the simple answer, use, decent quality suspenders, and a quality stiff belt with added belt loops that have d-rings or slide clips for the suspenders to clip securely to the stiff belt, solved the issue of how to carry a heavy pistol comfortably for me and had worked for decades
    Ive found the inside the waist band
    VEDDER comfort tuck holster extremely comfortable
    I've used one for a couple years daily to carry a 10mm glock model 20
    those suspenders are generally worm over a tee-shirt and a long waisted dress shirt over the holster and suspenders

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    https://www.dillonprecision.com/blade-tech-competition-speed-belt_8_22_26149.html

    http://www.suspendease.com/snap-on-clip-suspenders.html

    https://www.rustyknucklesmusic.com/products/rusty-knuckles-12-gauge-leather-belt-loop-1

    https://www.amazon.com/Suspender-Attachment-Heavy-Accessories-Connectors/dp/B071K1HBYW

    decent quality suspenders, and a quality stiff belt with added belt loops that have d-rings or slide clips for the suspenders to clip securely to the stiff belt, solved the issue of how to carry a heavy pistol comfortably for me and had worked for decades
    Ive found the inside the waist band
    VEDDER comfort tuck holster extremely comfortable
    I've used one for a couple years daily to carry a 10mm glock model 20
    those suspenders are generally worm over a tee-shirt and under a long waisted dress shirt over the holster and suspenders
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    https://www.vedderholsters.com/comforttuck/
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  19. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    My neighbor bagged a trophy (his words) deer on my property this season and I didn't even know until this past Saturday. He just got his mount back and invited some of the guys over for show and tell. A short while later, and a few more beers a discussion of a "Bucket List" started. 2 guys are planning their bucket list vacation this year since traveling is cheap now.
    The idea - take a road trip out west this fall to Arizona or New Mexico in search of old abandoned ghost towns or settlements. Taking a 30 ft. Travel All with a trailer in tow with ATVs and metal detection gear to search for lost treasure and artifacts. Sounds like some hard work and maybe a lot of fun.
    For defense way out in the middle of nowhere what guns would you bring along? A variety between a handgun, riffle and or shotgun? Or does that sound like too much?
    Any states along the way that limit or even prohibit transporting guns in this circumstances? Any limits as to the amounts of ammo (a lot of target shooting is anticipated). I'm not looking for exact laws right now, just general ideas and input perhaps from experience. I'm very interested in going, I couldn't take off all the travel time involved, I'd rather fly out and be picked up along the way and the same for returning as I only get 10 days vacation this year.
     
  20. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    logically youll seldom if ever need a firearm, but like a spare tire ,and a car jack or fire extinguisher , or first aid kit, or having a couple of gallons of extra fuel in a jerry can on your truck, it might be critical to have on rare occasions
    generally having a valid concealed carry license may help, reduce legal hassles, and keeping unloaded firearms in a pad locked case in a car trunk, its the preferred way for you to travel legally.
    (having the pistols and ammo stored in a locked case avoids legal issues in most jurisdictions) but read the links below

    http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2015/12/28/cz-bruin-long-slide-10mm-45-acp/


    http://www.gandermountain.com/Shooting/Safes-Storage-Security/Hard-Soft-Cases?s_kwcid=adwords_gun case lock_&device=c&network=g&matchtype=b&gclid=CPKq7e6Uu8oCFQuLaQod6xICpA

    http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...-Mountain-MIL-SPEC-Large-Pistol-Case&i=859698

    http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...-SPEC-Extra-Large-Pistol-Case&i=859699&r=view

    air travel is ALWAYS a P.I.T.A. with firearms and your risking loss from theft or deliberate cargo abuse.
    Ive generally carried my glock 10mm in concealed carry on my person when not out in the field, as in car travel ,or just general daily work.
    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/got-an-early-xmass-gift.11905/
    when actually out in the boon docks a shoulder holster and my 44 mag gets used most of the time as its considerably more accurate and effective at longer ranges
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    YES IT REQUIRES a shoulder holster to use comfortably
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    you really need to read these links
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150101/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140630/guide-to-the-interstate-transportation

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