Lower Cost Salvage Yard 460 Ford Rebuild, That I Found Rather Interesting

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http://www.highflowdynamics.com/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-related-engine-build-links.13190/#post-69931

this was a rather realistic video, now I doubt you could duplicate the project without spending a bit more money, but still it gave impressive results for the cash spent

Ford Production 429/460 Block Differences
The most common available production cast iron block casting numbers are C8VE-B, C9VE-B, D0VE-A, D1VE-(various suffix) and D9TE-AB.

We refer to all but the D9TE-AB as the "early-style" blocks. The D9TE casting arrived in the 1979 model year and was utilized until the end of 460 production.

For the most part, all production blocks and rotating asemblies are interchangable between all the early style blocks and except for the D9TE. A D9TE block's rotating assembly will fit into an early-style block, but the opposite is not true (some clearancing is required).

All 429/460 Fords are internally balanced engines except for the D9TE 460, which has an externally balanced rotating assembly (1979 & up 460's are externally balanced).

These block identifying marks (C9VE, D1VE, etc.) are not actual casting numbers but are engineering revisions that are cast into the block castings themselves. And they are what we enthusiasts refer to when identifying our factory iron, as they give not so much the year that the block was made but rather the revision of the block as specified by said engineering revision. (Actual date code is in the lifter valley.)

Early-Style Blocks: For the most part (and with small exception), the C8VE, C9VE and D1VE blocks are all essentially the same configuration casting with the thinner main webs. The thicker main web block is the D0VE block, which may or may not have 4-bolt main caps on 2,3 & 4. (Very few D1VE blocks may be thick webbed.) All Ford production 385 blocks can be decked as needed, so the slight variation in deck height (give or take .020" over the years) is a negligible detail.

D9TE Blocks: The externally balanced rotating assembly utilizes a crankshaft that has slightly smaller counterweights. This apparently was done to so that the cylinders of the D9TE block could be extended about .200" deeper towards the crankcase. It is believed that the cylinders were lengthened in the D9TE block because this block was revised to double as a big equipment truck block, and the dump truck rotating assemblies consisted of a very deep skirt piston that benefitted from the newly extended cylinder walls for support.

The deeper cylinders of the D9TE blocks are the reason that the early-style, internally balanced rotating assemblies will not fit (internal balance crank throws will not clear D9TE block's webbing as machined).

Since most prefer to use internally balanced rotating asembies in the performance applicaton, enthusiasts have usually opted for any block except the D9TE. There are also advantages to specific blocks within the group of early-style blocks, such as the D0VE-A's thick main webs, a slightly shorter deck height without decking, etc.

Further, for years the D9TE block was presumed to be a lightweight ("late model") casting and therefore not very strong and also limited in it's overbore capability. But this belief is currently being re-evaluated for a couple of reasons:
  • No-one had yet evaluated D9TE cylinder wall thickness with a sonic checker, and preliminary testing suggests the block may not be so bad afterall.
  • Strokers have become popular and the D9TE's deeper cylinders offer more support for the increased-stroke rotating assemlies.
  • Most all aftermarket stroker kits use a crank with the dimensions of the externally balanced crank and so they fit the D9TE block as well as the early blocks.
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Not bad, just wonder what it would dyno at with some freer flowing heads and little bit more cam!
 
Iron smog heads still move some air yet.
Recall hearing there are dead spots in 460 smog heads cutting airflow.

Did not like they did remove the hedge breaker plate.
Advance mechanism down below it in a Ford.

They did a terrible job mounting the Intercooler and discharge tubing.
All kits are crappy. Pretty much Junk.
Needs to be 1 off Fabbed like Eddie and me do Grumpy.
Should not move any even at 5000 hp.
 
with a minor boost in compression,
bigger valves having been installed and a bit of port work ,
to match the larger valves,
and that cam could easily boost power 40-50 plus hp
493 ft lbs 378 hp is not bad for a basically stock , low compression ratio,
460 with a very mild cam, you would have a hard time building ,
a 383-406 sbc to produce similar power for under $2500
 
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It only had around 8.8 : 1 static compression I recall.
Dynamic compression way down.
The Ford 460 had a 270 or 280 advertised cam to perform like it did.
 
the BEST bang for the buck is not even GM, it is the 460 Ford,
the best kept secret on the planet! 557 cubes can be had without even touching a grinder to the block,
all you need is a bore and a stroker kit!
NOBODY else has this available in a stock block, nobody!
Any guy in his garage can build 1000 pump gas HP with one of these and some John Kaase parts, especially his heads!
9/16" head bolts are just begging for the laughing gas.
The BBC only offers 7/16 and they screw into a water jacket,
they are blind holes on the Ford, much stronger.
The best news is these cores are still out there,
just about every motor home had the 460 in it and I have one in my 1986 Ford Camper Special that I rebuilt.
Lots of old Ford big cars had them also since 1969.
https://jonkaaseracingengines.com/shop/cylinder-heads/trickflow-a-460-cylinder-heads/
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https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tfs-5451t802-m87/overview/make/ford

https://jonkaaseracingengines.com/
 
Its debateable arguable Grumpy.
I Like Fords also like you.
That Ford 460 has a Huge crankshaft. Pick one up sometime at your Buddies Machine Shop. They are Heavy. I think more than a Pontiac 455 Crank.
Ford 460, Big Chevy 427 standard Deck, Tall Deck 427, 454 LS6, & Pontiac 455 Shortblock foundation my idea of Good Drag Engies for 1000 + HP.

All have their merits & downsides each.
Work around for issues each also.

John Kasse started off with a 1965 Pontiac GTO 389.
He won Engine Masters one year with a one off small main 273 LA Mopar main size crank, made special inserts for the 3.25" inch large journal block.
Took home $200K again with a Pontiac V8.
Went back to Fords afterwards.

Only 2 engines are used in Top Street Outlaws right now Big Chevy & Pontiac V8.

LS can not even qualify.....leave it home in the garage.
 
if I had the cash required ,
that might be a rather interesting challenge,
I certainly would not have any hesitation building a twin turbo
boss 9 with inter-cooler to run on e85 ,
just for giggles and to see serious power numbers
run something like that with 35 lbs of boost and it should provide impressive results
http://jonkaaseracingengines.com/boss-nine-information/
 
if I had the cash required ,
that might be a rather interesting challenge,
I certainly would not have any hesitation building a twin turbo
boss 9 with inter-cooler to run on e85 ,
just for giggles and to see serious power numbers
run something like that with 35 lbs of boost and it should provide impressive results
http://jonkaaseracingengines.com/boss-nine-information/
I am a little familiar with the Boss 9 from your posts here in past.
Looks promising.
It's Suicide going 1000+ without a Full chassis drag car or road race car.
Unpredictable torque and power.
Twisting in every plane under load stock car platforms....rear wheels steer instead of front tires.
Going N/A most of the time me.
Nitrous on 1000+ Emergency Power.
T/A handles real good.
 

this video seems to suggest theres a decent performance potential
 
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