Mopar's 1,000-hp Hellephant crate engine sold out in just two days

We discussed earlier this year & late 2018.
Forgotten about by all but me.
Hard telling how many are out there bought sold.
I would say at least 1,000 - 1000HP Hemi Hellaphants will be in Dodge Mopar Musclecars by later 2019.
If its a Chassis Race car.....Going to just decimate all LS engines & C5-C7 Corvettes.
Only hope is C8 1000 HP TT, 1 year away at least in 2020.
Forget about 383 SBC N/A.
I gave up on them 5 years ago now....Just looked no Big Tube 2.00" primary headers available....$10K for 1 off headers . Terrible value.
 
yes 1000 hp is impressive , but its the application and context that maters
stick that 1000 hp engine in a typical 3700 lb-4200 lb street car
and you get impressive performance
but its power to weigh leaves a great deal to be desired in handling braking and acceleration.
the CAR,s weight, drive train gearing and durability, you install that engine in maters
a properly matched, suspension, tires and transmission ,
brakes and drive train, in a reasonably light car goes a long way.
example
Ricks t-bucket or my B.I.LAWS cobra replica , both weight less than 2300 lbs,
if you do the math theres about 4 lbs per hp in the heavier mopar combos
thats darn
impressive!
but in the lighter cars you would similar power to weight with about 550-600 hp,
better braking, faster acceleration, less potential parts stress, and better mileage

 
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I don't think I will post on DC Grumpy.

Its already Morbid.

Only Hope is the C8 there.

Have to think of stuff daily to post there to entertain & keep Morale Up.
 
Grumpy said:
yes 1000 hp is impressive , but its the application and context that maters
stick that 1000 hp engine in a typical 3700 lb-4200 lb street car
and you get impressive performance
but its power to weigh leaves a great deal to be desired in handling braking and acceleration.
the CAR,s weight, drive train gearing and durability, you install that engine in maters
a properly matched, suspension, tires and transmission ,
brakes and drive train, in a reasonably light car goes a long way.
example
Ricks t-bucket or my B.I.LAWS cobra replica , both weight less than 2300 lbs,
if you do the math theres about 4 lbs per hp in the heavier mopar combos
thats darn
impressive!
but in the lighter cars you would similar power to weight with about 550-600 hp,
better braking, faster acceleration, less potential parts stress, and better mileage
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You can not compete in No Prep Drag racing with a T-bucket.
Rick will die & he knows it too.
Cruiser he built & all he wants to do.

All the Vintage small compact cars like Vega & Monza & Opel are super rare now.
Not going to get dirt cheep.

Got the Corvette tax on all Vettes.
Have to throw everything away Chevy Built.
Build it Street Outlaws.

Ford Cobra kit car its $250K project....Guys are not going to drag race.
Putz around car shows only.
 
https://cars.trovit.com/listing/1965-shelby-cobra-convertible-gray.a1jS15D1GW1N

if you shop carefully $15K-$25K will get you a decent cobra previously owned kit car to start the project with,
Ive seen them for sale occasionally for under $10K with a non-running engine
anyone with mechanical skills and time can build a comparatively lower cost cobra kit car
with a 600 hp engine, 500 caddy,BBC, 460 ford, 454-496 chevy, super charged SBC etc.
 
Grumpy said:
https://cars.trovit.com/listing/1965-shelby-cobra-convertible-gray.a1jS15D1GW1N

if you shop carefully $15K-$25K will get you a decent cobra previously owned kit car to start the project with,
Ive seen them for sale occasionally for under $10K with a non-running engine
anyone with mechanical skills and time can build a comparatively lower cost cobra kit car
with a 600 hp engine, 500 caddy,BBC, 460 ford, 454-496 chevy, super charged SBC etc.
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Waste of time & Money to me .
I have zero Intrest in those cars Grumpy.

You Do Understand that I Love No Prep Drag Racing & Street Oulaws Right Correct !

Cruising around with a 200R4 Trans and going real slow is not my thing.

Need 1000 HP + True at the Flywheel to compete.

Going 100 Mph is slow speeds.
 
JohnHancock said:
I know it’s not street outlaw raceable but for $15k this will go 0-60 in 4.7 sec NA or 3.25 with stock turbo. Weight counts! Mmhttp://dfkitcar.com/specs.php
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Grumpy has not talked about Single & Twin Turbo Charging since Turbo Phil was here and its been 4 years now.
Everyone on Facebook Race Groups know what it takes .
1000+ HP.
Its Paying out cash To Win $$$$.

Its pretty much like this....Guys cruise and that is it.
Never race another.

Then You have the real racers. No Prep Street Outlaws.
 
yes we without doubt have a totally different way to look at things,
some guys like brunettes some guys prefer blondes.....
I prefer a car that I can enjoy that has impressive performance,
but I've learned that theres logical compromises that must be accepted,
near total dependability have a higher value to me than absolute top speed.
not spending every dime I can get my hands on,for parts and spending several hours a day in the shop if I choose not to do so, and still having a fast car, is my goal.
you really can,t expect to use more than about 80 mph at least on the street, and while Ive built plenty of cars that could easily exceed 150-170 mph,
theres very few locations you can even test a car at those speeds.
I personally want a car I can jump into and drive on the street, and yeah, if its easily able to run low 11 to high 10 second 1/4 mile times thats great,
but having owned and driven several lower 10 second 1/4 mile times capable cars I found the problems with maintenance, and cost,
and lack of places to run the cars to the max potential made them less enjoyable.
as Im sure your aware Id prefer a larger engine displacement and personally don,t see any need to exceed about 7000 rpm.
I prefer the manual transmissions but have no issue running something like a 4l80E.
I try hard to build cars that can be enjoyed on weekends and used daily if desired,
I learned 4 decades ago that theres always people with far more money than I will ever have access too,
speed costs a great deal of cash, its a bottomless money pit if your determined to be the fastest car in your state.
Id rather not spend cash I don,t have and be rather happy knowing I can jump in my car and reasonably expect,
it to easily out perform 95% of the cars on the street, and Im perfectly happy knowing the cars and engines I help build,
will provide the owners with more than enough performance to scare the hell out of most people, yet still,
be driven and reasonably expect the cars to not break down, every few weeks.
yeah Im not going to win every race at the track,
I'm also not going to spend several days making repairs or ordering replacement parts.
 
Grumpy said:
yes we without doubt have a totally different way to look at things,
some guys like brunettes some guys prefer blondes.....
I prefer a car that I can enjoy that has impressive performance,
but I've learned that theres logical compromises that must be accepted,
near total dependability have a higher value to me than absolute top speed.
not spending every dime I can get my hands on,for parts and spending several hours a day in the shop if I choose not to do so, and still having a fast car, is my goal.
you really can,t expect to use more than about 80 mph at least on the street, and while Ive built plenty of cars that could easily exceed 150-170 mph,
theres very few locations you can even test a car at those speeds.
I personally want a car I can jump into and drive on the street, and yeah, if its easily able to run low 11 to high 10 second 1/4 mile times thats great,
but having owned and driven several lower 10 second 1/4 mile times capable cars I found the problems with maintenance, and cost,
and lack of places to run the cars to the max potential made them less enjoyable.
as Im sure your aware Id prefer a larger engine displacement and personally don,t see any need to exceed about 7000 rpm.
I prefer the manual transmissions but have no issue running something like a 4l80E.
I try hard to build cars that can be enjoyed on weekends and used daily if desired,
I learned 4 decades ago that theres always people with far more money than I will ever have access too,
speed costs a great deal of cash, its a bottomless money pit if your determined to be the fastest car in your state.
Id rather not spend cash I don,t have and be rather happy knowing I can jump in my car and reasonably expect,
it to easily out perform 95% of the cars on the street, and Im perfectly happy knowing the cars and engines I help build,
will provide the owners with more than enough performance to scare the hell out of most people, yet still,
be driven and reasonably expect the cars to not break down, every few weeks.
yeah Im not going to win every race at the track,
I'm also not going to spend several days making repairs or ordering replacement parts.
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Your afraid of Turbocharging because you know 1000 Horsepower is easily had.
Almost triple the limit of stock SBC block.
450 Hp more than Dart SHP is rated for.
Right at limit of Dart Little M 1000 Hp rating.

LS 4.8 & 5.3 guys are doing 1000 Hp daily.
Turbocharged.

A Few Pontiac V8 guys on stock blocks and iron heads 1000 Hp Boost.

A Few BBC guys have ventured to 1000 Hp wonder land.
 
what gave you the totally erroneous idea
that I don,t approve of turbos or super charged engines?
I have nothing at all against building or owning a boosted engine
nitrous, turbos, METHANOL, E85, superchargers,multi port,even stack injection,
all are valid tools, in the engine builders tool box.
Id build a good many more super charged, or turbo boosted engines,
IF the cost to do so was not as high and the engine durability was similar.
I simply find most guys don,t have the cash too do so, and most are not willing to do the mandatory, maintenance
how many guys choose hydraulic roller cams based mostly on the idea that they will not need to adjust valves ,
every so often?
1000 HP sounds impressive and it is, most people can,t afford to play the game,
and even fewer can drive a car to near its full potential, if it has even 600-800 hp.
I deal with guys almost every day who say they want to build 500-700 hp engines,
when I start listing the parts required,
and they see a $700 crank,$1500 in potential machine work,
a $2000 injection system, or $1600 in intake and carbs,
or $2700- $3400 cylinder heads ...
they suddenly decide they really don,t want to proceed,
and I let them by the parts I don,t make a dime.
 
Money talks and BS walks and IF everyone had the balls to do so would. Putting all that horsepower to the ground is hard to do with any weight car so clutches, tires, track conditions all play a factor.

NEVER EVER use a DAILY driver to race with as one day it will leave you where you are. Experience talking here.I know.

MM1, you have the time,money and resources to do what you want with your cars and I'm in awe of your ability to do so. BUT-----do not ever under estimate another as he might know something you don't and just fly right by you with less horse power and a heavier car.. Bobby Warren? has done just that in some of his Camaros and I saw him sell one that won a race and the loser bought the car from him and took it apart to SEE what made it so fast. He found NOTHING by his eyes that he could see,. and put it back together using the same exact parts Bobby did and it ran a full second slower than when it won.

So what I'm trying to say is, don't speak for someone else and enjoy your racing without TELLING others what you think is right for them,, let them find out for themselves, it's just money and experience. Not your money and they will ask if the want your opinion.
 
Grumpy said:
what gave you the totally erroneous idea
that I don,t approve of turbos or super charged engines?
I have nothing at all against building or owning a boosted engine
nitrous, turbos, METHANOL, E85, superchargers,multi port,even stack injection,
all are valid tools, in the engine builders tool box.
Id build a good many more super charged, or turbo boosted engines,
IF the cost to do so was not as high and the engine durability was similar.
I simply find most guys don,t have the cash too do so, and most are not willing to do the mandatory, maintenance
how many guys choose hydraulic roller cams based mostly on the idea that they will not need to adjust valves ,
every so often?
1000 HP sounds impressive and it is, most people can,t afford to play the game,
and even fewer can drive a car to near its full potential, if it has even 600-800 hp.
I deal with guys almost every day who say they want to build 500-700 hp engines,
when I start listing the parts required,
and they see a $700 crank,$1500 in potential machine work,
a $2000 injection system, or $1600 in intake and carbs,
or $2700- $3400 cylinder heads ...
they suddenly decide they really don,t want to proceed,
and I let them by the parts I don,t make a dime.
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How many full power passes do you think the 1000 Hp Hellephant will last ?
50, 100, 500 or 1000 ?

Read Junkyard 5.3 LS lasts 3-50 passes at 1000+.
700-800 Hp Boost they last a while I know 1st hand
 
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