My S10 ZR2 build

Discussion in 'trucks' started by Ernest Shaw, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. T-Test

    T-Test Well-Known Member

    PTO gen set would be good and better with transfer switch. I have one that runs with a 20hp B/S engine that is mounted on a trailer now. 8000 watts running--9250 surge and it will power all I have.

    Kinda like the generator/welders you see with the enclosures around them, just home made.
     
  2. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    Still playing with the air cleaner. Moved it behind the front bumper, pics attached. This would move it out of the engine compartment, add some protection for it and still allow it to get air through the bumper. It's turned to the outside of the vehicle somewhat so that the wide side of the filter is exposed to air coming through an opening in the bumper. I'm liking this scenario.
     

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  3. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    This is a side view of the bumper opening that will let air through to the filter. Another possible scenario is to run some sort of duct across the top of the TPI setup to the cowl area. If you look at the intake ducting there is a 3" hole in the top portion of the duct that was initially for the silencer (homeplate is what is referred to as by Caprice 9C1 owners). There's a white plug in it right now. A person could use that spot to incorporate a duct but you'd have a heck of a time incorporating the MAF sensor into the mix. I'm not real sure that the Intake Air Temperature sensor wouldn't have to be moved either since it's installed in the intake ducting as well.
     

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  4. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    Changed my mind, again. Think I'll stick with the original tube with the air cleaner in the engine compartment. Maybe later on I'll move it down through the inner fender and behind the bumper, I just need to keep things simple for the time being and do up grades later.

    One thing I'm trying to figure out is the oil hookups. The original engine used an oil adapter that mounted to the engine block where a standard filter normally goes. I replaced this with an offset adapter for clearance because it moves the filter next to the oil pan. This adapter also had a provision for routing the oil to a cooler. Instead of a cooler I want to run lines to the stock remote oil filter that's mounted under the radiator support, doubling my filtration since the one on the block is small. The offset adapter on the engine block has ports marked in and out (see pic, offset 1). The remote filter (pic 2) shows the ports on it labeled in and out. What I'm going to do is run a line from the offset adapter on the engine blocks "out" port to the "in" port on the remote unit under the radiator support and from it's "out" port to the "in" port on the offet adapter on the block. Anybody see anything wrong with doing this?
     

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  5. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    You can do it that way if you want to .
    I see it as a waste of time & effort.
    All You need is A Premium single K&N Or Wix Racing Oil Filter.
    Its not a High RPM Race Engine.
    It will Rev Less actually than it did stock the Vortech 350 because you installed a Corvette Tuned Port EFI with 21 inch long runners from the throttle body entrance to the backside of each intake valve.
    I like Tuned ports on the street because they pull strong & clean & get real nice MPG.
    Come Street drag race time against modern muscle your going to Loose the race no matter what you do with a TPI or FIRST-1st TPI.
    Engine needs to Rev 6500-8500 rpms to Beat Dodge.
     
  6. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    I'll get some pics of why I'm going to the trouble. Thanks for the reply.
     
  7. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Why are you mounting the remote filter that far from the oil filter adapter, for cooling ???
     
  8. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    The oil filter adapter I'm using is from an LT1 cop car that came with the oil cooler provision. I'm using it because it offsets the oil filter right next to my oil pan which gives me room for the front differential yoke, it's tight but it works. I would have preferred to use one from a Corvette which doesn't have the cooler provision and would do the same thing. In order to use the one I have I either had to do away with the cooler provision or incorporate it into the oiling system. I decided to use the cooler provision to run the oil to an additional remote filter since the filter is so small on the one on the block, this will effectively let me have more filtration. I've included some pics of the oil filter on the block, it's 3 1/4" long x 3 inch diameter, lots smaller than a PF45 filter. The remote one is a 3" diameter and is 4 3/8" long. Together the two of them should give me more filtration than I would have had with a standard filter.
     

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  9. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Its a Parallel Oil Filtration Flow system you have come up with.
     
  10. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    Nice to know it's been done before and has a name. I was going to refer to it as a divorced system.
     
  11. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    After reading all this information on oiling systems my head is swimming. It seems that the systems that have side by side oil filters, one is a high efficiency bypass oil filter and one is a full flow. I'm not following what's going on there. Is the oil just running through the first filter mount and there is no bypass valve involved? Then the second full flow filter mount has the bypass?
     
  12. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    I understand why the remote filter, my questions is about why mount it all the way up front and not on
    the inner finder or firewall? The longer the lines the bigger the pressure drop. I could only come up with
    cooling for the reason for going that far, but wanted to know your reason.
     
  13. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    I'm forced to point out the oil cooler or trans fluid transfer line internal cross sectional area has a potential effect on flow resistance and efficiency,
    if you select 1/2" or AN#8 lines they are large enough in cross sectional area too make the transfer line size and length basically non-restrictive.
    Id also suggest selecting the longer length, dual oil filters mounted vertically in a rather easy to access area of your choice making replacement easy and less likely to be a messy process.
    the longer length oil filters, pleated filtration medium, provide much greater surface area for filtration reducing the flow restriction.

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ubing-fuel-lines-and-flaring.1030/#post-35905

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ion-remote-filter-flow-rate.14621/#post-78235

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/thoughts-on-cooling.149/#post-70002

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/transmission-over-temp.12832/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...il-cooler-increases-durability.176/#post-3620

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...il-cooler-increases-durability.176/#post-3620

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    Last edited: Dec 10, 2018 at 11:57 AM
  14. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    It's where the oil filter was mounted on S10 Blazer Pre Vortech Era.
    Done that way I recall on 4x4 models.
     
  15. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

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    That is a nice problem solver right there!
     
  16. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    Indycars, there is no other place to mount a filter other than to have it hanging off the side off a frame rail in these trucks. I do agree with Grumpy's statement about it being a mess when changing filters but that's the way it goes sometimes. I'm looking for alternatives to the mount under the radiator support but I'm not seeing a lot of alternatives. That's probably why the factory placed it where they did.
     

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