Need your thoughts on a performance issue

vettecop

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I'm looking for some ideas to help out a friend. He has a 1981 Buick Regal with a Chevy 350 in it. The engine is freshly built, with a mid-level cam and a Holley 680 double pumper with a manual fuel pump. The car is otherwise stock.

He describes his issue as a shudder when he takes off from a stop, or when punching it from a roll. Once the vehicle gets above 2000 RPM's or so, it smooths out and runs fine. He describes a slight hesitation when snapping the throttle from an idle. He also feels that the car is slow and gutless and should be much stronger than it is given the performance expectations of the engine.

With some over-the-phone troulbeshooting we determined that the timing is at 6-8 degrees, and carburetor adjustments have no effect on the performance. He says he has taken it to several different places, and everyone tells him something different. One says too much carburetor, another says not enough carburetor, a third says a stall converter will cure the problem.

He tells me that pulling the hose off the vacuum advance does not change the idle. He also tells me that his brake pedal gets hard after two pushes.

I am not an expert on modified engines, so does anyone have any thoughts? Could this be a vacuum issue caused by the cam? Is it indeed the wrong carburetor for this application? My experience with a stock torque converter with a big cam revealed a falloff at takeoff, but not a shudder. Any thoughts I can relay to him are appreciated.
 
Re: Need yout thoughts on a performance issue

You never stated what Transmission is being used.
Was the 1981 Buick Regal a V6 231 Buick ?
A 305 sbc ?
A Pontiac 301ci V8 ?
A 260 Ci Olds V8 ?

The 305 ci V8 1978-87 G body cars typicaly had ultra tall gears in the 7.5" rear diff.
2.24 :1. Used with the Metric 200 C auto.
Both suck for 1/4 mile performance.

Without knowing cam specs its guesswork tuning.
An engine vacuum reading will help Grumpy & Me to help with Tuning issues.
 
The 1978 Buick Regal with 305sbc was the last to use the Turbo 350 auto 3-speed trans.
I know because a friend had the car & I rebuilt the trans over 20 years ago.
 
what we really need is more info, whats the plenum vacuum read at idle and at wide open throttle?
whats a compression test show?
what do the plugs look like? (CLEAR DETAILED PICTURES HELP A GREAT DEAL)
whats the ignition advance curve?
what rear gear ratio?
has he done a tune up?
has he properly adjusted the valves?
whats the ohms resistance on the ignition wire?
whats the plug gap set at? what plugs?
what transmission?
whats the car weigh?
tire diameter?
exhaust back pressure reading?
any chance the catalytic converters partly plugged?
whats the fuel pressure?
have you set the float levels yet?
is it consistent?
what jets and power valves?
any headers?
got any clear pictures of the engine?
has he carefully checked for vacuum leaks?
did he degree in the cam or simply install it DOT-TO-DOT on the timing set?
honestly theres dozens more questions , give me something to work with and I can most likely help!
 
If you remove the stamped steel cover on the 7.5" rear You will see the Gear ratio stamped into the Ring Gear.
21 Teeth I recall on the Pinion gear head....2.24:1 gearset ratio.
I once replaced 2.24's with 4.56 Richmond gears in a 1979 Chevy Monte Carlo with a 327 Sbc & 2.02 Z28 heads. Race Camshaft.
11.80's @118 mph. All engine. No nitrous.
Had GM Posi.
Richmond made an extra thick 2-series 4.56 gears for GM 7.5."
 
Haven't seen the car. Only going by our phone conversation. I will have a better idea once I see the car in person. I hnow it is the stock rear end, and the car was originally a V6. Fresh tune-up. large diameter wheels, maybe 18-20 inch. He bought the engine already built, so how it was built is a mystery. He heard it run with a quadrajet on it, and he put the Holley on it when he installed it in his car.
 
The Buick V6 G body cars had 3.23 or 3.42 gears in the 7-1/2" Rear Diff.
Still need to verify 1st hand.
 
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