Oil Pan Damage !

Discussion in 'Oil and Lube Systems' started by Indycars, Jul 18, 2021.

  1. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    I was cruising the roads around Lake Texoma with a friend when I saw some broken-up asphalt
    coming, I thought it would clear. I didn't have time to go around, so I really was NOT expecting
    the loud noise I heard. I stopped immediately and got out to check for oil all over the ground,
    but found none so I kept going.

    I didn't see the damage until today, wow !!! :eek:

    I've had an new oil pan in my Summit wish list for over a year, it's time to make that
    purchase now !!!

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  2. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

    Ouch! Time to add a skid plate to protect the new pan.
     
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  3. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    I've made it 5-6 years with this pan. The new pan will have another inch of clearance. I can't add
    an ugly skid plate to my precious TBucket ! :rolleyes:

    It's like taking your good looking women out to see your best friends, can't put sweat pants on her !!!
     
  4. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    I don’t know about that. I wouldn’t mind this woman in sweat pants!:)

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  5. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    hehehehe !!!
     
  6. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    So how many times have you taken a women to your friends party that looked
    like that in sweats without celebrity status?????
     
  7. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    looking at the oil PAN DAMAGE!
    Id SAY ouch!:(:crying:
    AND LOOK AT IT AS A GOOD REASON TO PURCHASE
    A 50 CAL AMMO CAN ,
    AS A BASIC SOURCE OF SHEET STEEL,
    AND START TAKING ACURATE MEASUREMENTS..
    and as always TAPE and poster board used as a pattern helps prevent problems

    one more in an ENDLESS list of reasons that you might want to OWN AND use a welder ,
    and some fabrication skills to rebuild and fabricate a newly rebuilt oil pan
    [​IMG]
    related threads
    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/building-a-custom-wet-sump-oil-pan.65/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-speed-bumps-and-driveway-enterances.10516/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...n-very-little-consideration.14808/#post-81874

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/oil-accumulator.1280/

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...fo-and-derale-trans-cool-pans.662/#post-34937
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2021
  8. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    If I had a woman that looked like that I would have my own party!
     
  9. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

    Tight sweat pants would show off her camel toe. :D Hey, my eyes are up here!
     
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  10. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Back to regularly scheduled program ........

    Ordered a new Canton 15-240M road race oil pan from Jegs, after talking with Canton tech
    support. I needed to make sure it would fit a Dart SHP SBC block. I had the 15-240 on my
    wish list, but the dip stick was on the wrong side. The Dart block also uses the thick gasket
    where it goes around the timing cover. So I ordered the Fel-Pro one piece gasket for a two
    piece rear seal. Can this shit get anymore convoluted and confusing ???

    Actually it can !!! Fel-Pro makes a one piece gasket with the dip stick on the right, left, both
    or none at all. I didn't want to wait on special order so I'm using the same one I did when I
    built the engine originally. It can have the dip stick on either side.

    Found out that the "M" moves the dip stick from the driver side to the passenger side. The
    pan is actually for a Corvette, but since I don't have frame or suspension getting in the way
    it works. This new pan will give me another 1-1/4" more ground clearance over the Milodon
    30901. The system capacity will be reduce by one quart, from 8 quarts to 7 quarts.

    Looks like it will be dropped shipped from Canton and will be at least a week before it goes out
    .... if I'm really lucky !!! Nobody but Champ Oil Pans has a pickup for the 7" pan depth with a
    Melling 10552 (10% Over Volume) oil pump. And guess what, nobody has that in stock so it's
    a special order from Summit.

    Canton Racing Products 15-240M: Street / Strip Oil Pan 1980-85 Small Block Chevy | JEGS
    Champ Pans | 1028SB
    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fel-os34510t

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  11. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    looks like a nice component!
    I hope it looks as good when it arrives as it does in the adds pictures
     
  12. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    It's much easier to upgrade components now when I didn't just $7K last week !!!

    I did the same with the harmonic damper last year.

    I still expect to modify the pickup tube, that one bolt hole will not work for my situation ?????

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  13. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

  14. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Got the damaged pan off this afternoon, here is another look at it while it's off.

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    But I have a problem with the new pan, it hits the oil pump before it can go forward enough to
    align with the bolts holes in the block. I don't have the pickup tube installed, so it hitting the
    pump body. It needs to go forward another 1/8" to let the bolt holes align with the block.

    Note the difference in corners #1 and #2. Number 2 cuts the corner off more than corner #1.

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    You can see where the oil pump is putting marks on the pan wall when I try to push the
    pan forward.

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  15. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    the problem you have is hardly rare in fact its rather common,
    are you aware that the new oil pan pick-up, or if you changed oil pumps,
    that change in component design (oil pump or pick-up) may be hitting the oil pan
    obviously your oil pan and pick-up must function in the new oil pan, so ID suggest putting some wet nail polish on the areas ,
    you suspect are hitting and try to isolate the interference points as some component may need to be modified, or the new oil pan, oil pan pick-up,
    or internal oil pan baffles might need to be modified
    its very common for the internal oil baffles or the oil pan pick-up may need to be modified
     
  16. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    A guy with some sheet metal and a welder with a plasma cutter could fix that pan. :rolleyes:
     
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  17. chromebumpers

    chromebumpers solid fixture here in the forum Staff Member

    I would use a plasma cutter, zip it apart and bang it flat. Then weld it back together.
     
  18. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven solid fixture here in the forum

    With he amount of damage done to the pan....are you sure it did not bend anything on the pump or pick-up?

    If it only needs a small amount of clearance you could heat the area with a torch and massage the metal with some hammer work.

    I needed to do that with my canton pan after the rods went thru each side. I used a body working hammer and a torch to lightly
    reform the pan ....then applied fresh paint..
     
  19. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    I don't have the oil pump pickup installed, only the pump when I tested the oil pan fit. Actually
    the pickup and pump body are at the same height, so I just put modeling clay on the bottom of
    the pump only. That way I don't have to install/uninstall the pickup if a change is needed.

    The pump gears rotate freely, so I don't think the pump is bent.

    The old pickup looked slightly damaged.

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    All I have is a MAP gas torch, wonder if that will provide enough heat.
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    Last edited: Jul 28, 2021 at 9:35 AM
  20. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    I have realized that I can't get a hammer into the pan to strike it where it's needed to provide clearance. Also it's
    going to be very close to the bottom of the pan, only about one inch from the bottom. Then there is the kick-out
    coming around that also close. It's going to put up a fight to make it move if I could even hit it.
     

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