Okay, To Me This Is Just Stupid, Am I Wrong

busterrm

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Okay, starting at about 6:00, they are outlining a mismatch of the ports of a rectangular port blower manifold and oval port heads. They eventually show a picture through the blower manifold of the mismatch! I was watching this and my mind thought, "That is just stupid!" With this being a forced induction engine, isn't that a bad idea Grumpy? Looking at it, to me you would get all sorts of reversion back into the blower manifold. I thought of 2 ways to solve it;
1. Pull the heads off, disassemble them and do a good job of port matching them to the gasket, or at least best you can to reduce as much reversion as possible.
2. Search out a set of heads to closely match the rectangular ports on the intake blower manifold.

I realize the blower may over come the reversion, but how much of the boost would be wasted to do so. With the drastic mismatch in the ports how much power is lost to overcome the reversion. I was watching this and just wanted to put it out here to see what you guys thought! I am not really wanting to be critical of them, but how much did they lose by not having those ports matched properly Grumpy!
I do know this, if they plan on using it to carry things on the ramp of that truck, they better put in like a 150-200 gallon gas tank, it probably gets 1 mile/2-3 gallons of gas! I did some research and that model has a 22 gallon primary and a 20 gallon auxiliary tank. Per the mileage statement in the video that's 13.5 cents per mile, they need a overdrive transmission for sure. Hell, my little Nissan gets about 4.25 cents/mile. I get about 69% better fuel economy, but I only run about 1500 rpms at 75 mph on the freeway.
 
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your not wrong, the miss match is surely restricting flow at some rpm range,
but that miss matched rectangle intake on oval port heads,
intake is rather commonly done
and I doubt he feels the 20-40 hp loss is significant compared to the cost in correctly matched parts and effort required to do it correctly
 
This discussion reminds me of the dilemma I face with my greatly restricted crossfire intake manifold on my 84 corvette. I have a relatively low compression ratio and a lot more room in my engine compartment compared to many other C4’s. I would gladly accept a bit of reversionary flow to achieve a modest but significant boost in power over my stock 205hp. I’m probably 30 yrs late for blower manifolds that could work with my tbi design utilizing my naive approach of larger injectors, higher fuel pressure. Are there very modest sized modern blowers that could work that could minimize blower lubrication concerns and keep my hood design intact? I guess there are probably much cheaper ways to get the HP boost.
 
Excuse my naïveté and the silly question, but outside of supply and demand issues, why are superchargers so expensive? Are extremely expensive materials required in fabrication, or is R&D the most expensive factor. Figuring out how to mount them and connect to the air intakes for any particular motor will have its own issues, but can’t many superchargers work in multiple configurations given a will to make them work?
 
first thing Ill point out is there's a good deal of reasonably precise machine work and higher quality materials used in the fabrication of a turbo or centrifugal supercharger, turbos work under marginally higher heat and stress, so they frequently require tighter tolerances and more exotic materials, cheaper versions generally won't use the best bearings or materials or be made to the best tolerances, either, and cooling the intake & fuel charge under boost means an INTERCOOLER, and E85 or race fuel, with a boosted engine is usually a good idea. but the basic tech is generally very old, as turbos and superchargers have been used in good numbers even before WWII, on tractors, busses, trucks and airplane engines for at least 7 decades so that's at least 75 year old , BASIC technology, and with modern cnc machines and better materials available, making the parts is certainly not by todays standards super high tech, thus the components could be made currently at much lower cost than in the past. but your dealing with a rather limited market , if your dealing with the auto performance for aftermarket parts.
Id point out that if you build a serious boosted engine, the turbo or super charger is a small part of the true cost that you will need to do that upgrade. the other components used must match and be fully up to use under the higher stress levels induced by the boosted intake charge, higher pressures and heat!
UPGRADES TO THE BLOCK, LUBE SYSTEM, VALVE TRAIN,ROTATING ASSEMBLY,m
COOLING SYSTEM AND IGNITION and HEADERS USED, SYSTEMS BECOME MANDATORY.
(THEN THERE'S THE BRAKES SUSPENSION AND DRIVE TRAIN?)

yes there are much cheaper (USUALLY CHINESE MADE) parts and QUALITY VARIES a great deal.
(that does not mean all chinese parts are crap quality, some are rather decent quality ) and a good deal of failures are related to crap quality low octane fuels used and a lack of skill on the tuners part, so all failures are not the result of lack of quality in the turbo or centrifugal supercharger being used, more than a few engine failures result from mismatched parts like cheap cast or hypereutectic pistons, bad valve train components, or a failure to understand how the ignition advance curve must match the boost, pressure, and a dreadful lack of tuning skills
you have options and a few of the options are reasonably priced for what you get versus what they cost to make, and yeah, sometimes you pay a big premium for a brand name in my opinion.
as always do your research and ask lots of questions and don't assume anything, and keep in mind if you want to exceed 500-550 hp, in most chevy V8 engines ,you really need an all forged rotating assembly and a DART or similar aftermarket performance block, your lube system, valve train components and ignition system all require upgrades, bearings and rings will require clearance changes, and use of ARP fasteners are advised.(as is use of matching header and exhaust mods)

and yeah we have all heard of some guy who stuck a supercharger on a stock engine and made a zillion HP, without any issues
what they fail to mention is stress is cumulative , and your hero will eventually puke parts, burn pistons, have detonation issues etc. if he flogs that stock engine regularly
( keep in mind.. you can get away with a good deal OCCASIONALLY or for a few hours or even weeks at times,
that will trash any engine if done REGULARLY)







 
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( keep in mind.. you can get away with a good deal OCCASIONALLY or for a few hours or even weeks at times,
that will trash any engine if done REGULARLY)

 
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