pistol caliber carbines, useless or practical?

Grumpy

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The best defense against evil men,
are good men who are skilled at violence.


you would have a difficult time finding a pistol caliber carbine,

more dependable than a semi auto 9mm uzi clone!
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https://gunmagwarehouse.com/all-magazines/rifles

I've owned a few, and while they can be fun to play with, they generally do have the option to hold more cartridge capacity,
than a similar caliber typical handgun, and generally being more easily aimed and fired, the MARLIN 44 mag lever action carbine is one pistol caliber carbine I've found very useful
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and having less penetration than a typical rifle, inside the home,

they may be a good option for home defense , especially by people who generally don't shoot a great deal.
I don't think they are truly practical, personally Id consider them more as expensive toys, other than in the home defense use.

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vs a short barrel rifle UNLESS your dealing with a suppressor, short barrel rifles in carbine calibers ,
are far more practical, but there's obvious over lap, and storing larger volumes of ammo is easier.

or
you really feel having magazines that work in both your handgun or carbine
is a huge advantage.
or

IF you wanted a semi concealable carbine
( THAT usually requires folding stock and shorter barrel,)
than a typical rifle, that significantly increases your longer range accuracy,

and still accepts your handgun magazines.
yeah there are cartridges & calibers like 30 carbine, 5.7/28 ,10mm, 10mm mag, 44 mag, even 41 mag that exist in carbine form
that
approach some rifle power levels, and rifle calibers that blur the line
 
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I asked several of my friends , asking them, what weapon they prefer for use if they could grab anything they own,
or would like to own,
in the following circumstances,

its a situation where they are at home, and see a couple armed guys,
WHO ARE obviously intent on violence, rapidly running up to their home, they have

maybe 5-7 seconds, what do they grab?, what do they do?
as they KICK in your front door?

it seems theres a strong trend I did not expect, most of the older guys seemed to want a 12 ga riot gun, semi auto or pump guns,

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with a 7-8 shell capacity, many own that type of gun, and most of the guys have a sling with extra shells on the gun in a closet,
most of the younger guys wanted a handgun with a 15-17 cartridge magazine and an AR15 or AK carbine with a 30 round mag,
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I was rather surprised that not a single person suggested a pistol caliber carbine
but keep in mind most of the guys I know are from rural areas, most guys have families ,
and are very familiar with weapon handling,

and live on 5-20 acre lots. this might be a big factor in the choices made.
I can see where a 9mm carbine has advantages in that,
in theory you are less likely to shoot through an attacker,

and have bullets pass through walls behind him,
like a 12 ga with slugs might, or FMJ rounds from an AK.

whats your thought's?

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something like an UZI or AR/AK may look cool but ID rather have a semi auto 12 ga in the listed confrontation.
 
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yeah a 10mm personal defense weapon (carbine) that uses GLOCK 10mm mags and a GLOCK 10mm pistol makes sense,
in that it has considerably more power than a 9mm carbine
but most people will suggest if you want a carbine, just stick to a cartridge like 223, 6.8 SPC . 300 black-out, 7.62/39 etc.

CMMG Banshee Mk10

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Released in 2019, the CMMG Banshee Mk10 is the most AR-like of the 10mm PCCs on this list. Its 8-inch barrel makes it legally classified as a pistol, meaning it could soon be affected by ATF rule changes, but in the meantime, it is still fully legal to mount a pistol brace to one of these to make a very handy little carbine. A CMMG RipBrace is included with each Banshee as well.

While the Banshee Mk10 is the most AR-like on this list, it is still quite different from standard AR-15s and even standard pistol-caliber ARs. The former typically use a type of direct-impingement system, and the latter are usually direct-blowback, but CMMG opted for a different type of action that makes their PCCs stand out above the competition. Called Radial Delayed Blowback, CMMG originally developed the system for their .45 ACP PCCs. It’s now been adapted for 10mm, and the result is a match made in heaven. Even direct-blowback PCCs chambered for 9mm can have a harsh recoil impulse, and their bolts are usually fat and heavy. CMMG’s RDB system not only allows the bolt (and subsequently the whole gun) to be lighter, but also reduces the felt recoil.

The Mk10 also thankfully utilizes Glock-pattern magazines rather than a proprietary design, so it should be relatively cheap and painless to stack them deep for this gun compared to some other PCCs. Another extremely desirable feature not found on most PCCs is the Banshee’s last-round hold-open system, allowing for magazine changes to be just as fast as on a standard AR-15. As a bonus, the Banshee is available in several different Cerakote color finishes as well.
MSRP: $1,749.95 // cmmg.com

I look at that price and go OUCH!!!



 
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I've owned, played with and used a bunch of pistol cartridge semi auto carbines, if you're looking for a very dependable home defensive weapon option, or if you're looking for something that looks military and your simply knocking cans around in the local dump or rock quarry,
or punching paper at 25-50 yards at the local range,
I think the UZI clones ,are the best value, as 9mm ammos usually reasonably priced,
and spare UZI mags, are reasonably well made fairly cheap and available,
and they ( uzi carbines like pictured above, and their mags seldom if ever break parts or fail to function,)
that's not true of most other carbines.
if your hunting, get a marlin 357 mag or 44 mag lever action
 
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I can't see how you could call any caliber useless, maybe not as good across the whole scale as some others but there is always a tool for the job some tools get used more than others I have a 44 Mag carbine that is a lot more useful than my 45 Colt in basically the same gun
 
Id agree that my marlin 44 mag is far more versatile & useful than a 9mm and a 45 acp carbine I've owned in the past
but the 44 mag is used for hunting, the other carbines were semi auto clones of military sub guns,
which might look neat but are not in my opinion all that useful, for much unless your prime usage is for close room to room,
home defense that might be where a larger capacity semi auto pistol caliber carbine with a 10" barrel might excel
 
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Certainly. They are more accurate than pistols of the same caliber, as they have longer barrels, typically a longer sight radius if using irons, and a stock for stabilization. Sometimes they have greater magazine capacity as well.

Further, if you can get a carbine that takes the same magazine as your pistol, that cross-compatibility can be useful as you need carry only one kind of magazine.

They also tend to be smaller and ligher than intermediate carbines like M4s, and certainly less than rifle carbines like the M1A Scout. So if you need more than a pistol but less than a rifle or other kind of carbine, pistol carbines are an excellent choice.

And while bigger and heavier, typically, than submachineguns, they tend to have better range and accuracy.

Pistol carbines are certainly useful.
 
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heres something that might peak some peoples interest
a ruger 20 shot capacity handgun with a 10" barrel,
in caliber 5.7/28 that uses the ruger handgun magazines,
green dot ,lazer optics

that might be a decent personal defensive use option
personally I think adding a folding shoulder stock
and 30 cartridge mags, would improve it as ,
a personal defense weapon about 500%,

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BTJGR1...=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWxfdGhlbWF0aWM&th=1



but of course the feds would have a shit hemorrhage over that idea
as you potentially about double the lethality and range over a typical 9mm carbine

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the atf may lose the ability to regulate and tax short barrel rifles and pistol braces
due to constant over reach and constant pushing the rule limits
 
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