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grumpyvette

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I have recently been told that I tend to treat some of the more advanced and experienced members with less respect than they deserve,
this is both totally unintentional on my part, and I think partly based on a mis- conception, based on assuming the posted answers are only a direct personal one on one communication rather than what they truly are, which is generally posting as much related info as we can, to help people reading through the thread many times, searching for related answers to problems ,
and
a method of hopefully getting people to think about options, and increasing the skills of all those reading the answers.
AND looking at the answers as if they are NOT generally direct personal communications directed at a single individual
vs what they are meant to be, which is a way to advance the skills and hopefully help most of the members,

Yes we are fully aware that the reader may and in some cases do have equal, or in many cases even more skill and experience, to what I or other members have!
members with that much experience will be in a small minority , and I will be the first guy in line to admit I learn new skills every time I build an engine and try hard to soak up new skills as rapidly as I can, I freely admit I don,t know 10% of what I wish I did even after nearly 50 years and well over 150 engines built!
IF your new at this hobby,
STOP AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT YOU NEED BOTH TOOLS AND KNOWLEDGE,
THAT WILL TAKE TIME AND RESEARCH AND SOME EXPERIENCE,
AS I've stated before, I could have you watch me build a kick-ass race engine and then let you try and duplicate the effort, the problem is not in your new found skills its in the fact it takes decades to look over the fit finish and condition of components to know what needs to be tested, clearances required and what might need in depth testing or extensive machine work, and because every last combo will have different requirements you would not have acquired ALL the skills and EXPERIENCE NEEDED,YOU WILL NEED TO DO EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, and the fact is that, until you have had several dozen engine builds in your past, and have acquired several thousand dollars in tools and made dozens of reliable contacts in machine shops and parts supply houses. and made plenty of minor mistakes in the process!
now that in no way means you can.t build a decent engine on the first try, IF your willing to take things slowly , think logically and ask questions and do a good deal of reading!

,and yes the reader might mistakenly think I or some other person answering the questions
"TALKING DOWN TO THEM AS IF THEY WERE KIDS"
or not respecting those members with more skilled and those experienced members views ,
, Id point out that most posted answers , will be read hundreds of times by a wide and randomly differently experienced skill level group,
keep in mind most members , on these sites have far less experience than the 20%-35% of the more experienced guys answering most posts

and if you or anyone else reads thru the sites threads, over time youll see that theres only a few members that truly do have years of experience, and the vast majority are here to pick up tips and look for answers, and hopefully take advantage of YOUR experience and knowledge.
NO I'M NOT suggesting YOU,or anyone else on this or any other site I post on, or several other of the more experienced members posting here,or on any other site, don,t know whats involved,in any particular area we are discussing, the fact is that there are several guys on most sites that I'll instantly concede have far more skills and experience in some areas, than I do,and please accept my deepest apology if you thought I was in any way, implying your skills or experience was not being respected!.
but keep in mind the posted answer to any question is surely going be read by hundreds of other people , over the following months, many of which, have far less experience or knowledge than YOU DO!
when I post most answers to questions I'm fully aware that the VAST majority of the readers don,t fall into the same level of experience that you or several other more experienced members have, thus I try to point out factors that you may feel are obvious but many readers are absolutely clueless about or things they never considered.
I nearly always find I have guys in my shop who think that simply buying some single component , bolting it on, driving away is both easy to do and all thats required, and if you think about the fact that these posted answers are not intended to be read by just you alone but to be useful for dozens of less experienced guys who also read them, you may see that I,m not trying in any way reduce my respect for your skills but simply point out to the vast majority of those guys with far less experience that there are other factors involved that need to be considered.
 
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i gathered that much, i try to follow your format and give complete and blanketed answers when i can, based on the assumption that when people pass by and see these posts while they are browsing the internet, they can get all the knowledge i can accurately provide regardless of their skill level.
 
I'd bet the overwhelming majority of members have never performed basic upgrades like installing and properly,degree in a new cam, swapping O.E.M. drum brakes for new and more efficient disc brakes, or even swapping oil pans and replacing a transmission.
Let alone more advanced things like actually rebuilding an engine or transmission.
I know I never would have even attempted to do some things I've done without the detailed instructions and answered questions on this site!
 

It took me a little while in the beginning, but I realized what you were doing.
Now it doesn't even cross my mind anymore. Sometimes it takes a few posts
to figure out just what level someone is on.

But I can see where someone can get that opinion in the beginning, but if they
stick around, they would also see what we know about your posts

 
I'm with you Grumpy it is the people we don't see reading that are being helped think how many forums some of you guys read looking for information on a certain subject. I am one to do look and investigate even if I know what I am doing cause maybe there is a better way now. Or maybe I don't know what I really need to do the job properly.
 
grumpyvette said:
I have recently been told that I tend to treat some of the more advanced and experienced members with less respect than they deserve,this is both totally unintentional on my part, and I think partly based on a mis- conception, based on assuming the posted answers are only a direct personal one on one communication rather than what they truly are, a method of hopefully getting people to think about options, and increasing the skills of all those reading the answers. AND looking at the answers as if they are direct personal communications directed at a single individual vs what they are meant to be, which is a way to advance the skills and hopefully help most of the members, in that they may and in some cases do have equal, or in many cases even more skill and experience ,and they think I'm "TALKING DOWN TO THEM AS IF THEY WERE KIDS" or not respecting those members with more skilled and those experienced members views ,,

I noticed you did that right away here when I first started lurking, checking out this forum before becoming a member. It's one of the things I liked about the forum. Particularly if a subject topic is brought over here from another forum and the OP isn't involved in the discussion here. It's a way of consolidating related topics scattered about the web without surfing a hundred forums.

Id point out that most posted answers , must be read hundreds of times by a wide and randomly differently experienced skill level group, keep in mind most members , on these sites have far less experience than the 10%-15% of the more experienced guys answering most posts and if you or anyone else reads thru the sites threads, over time youll see that theres only a few members that truly do have years of experience, and the vast majority are here to pick up tips and look for answers, and hopefully take advantage of YOUR experience and knowledge.
NO I'M NOT suggesting YOU,or anyone else on this or any other site I post on, or several other of the more experienced members posting here,or on any other site, don,t know whats involved,in any particular area we are discussing, the fact is that there are several guys on most sites that I'll instantly concede have far more skills and experience in some areas, than I do,and please accept my deepest apology if you thought I was in any way, implying your skills or experience was not being respected!.
but keep in mind the posted answer to any question is surely going be read by hundreds of other people , over the following months, many of which, have far less experience or knowledge than YOU DO!

I often hesitate and don't respond with an answer to a question on forums because I know others who read a short answer will be mislead into doing something that might waste time, money, resources or be a safety risk because the short answer for the OP might not apply to a different yet similar situation. In many cases a long response might be required to keep someone other than the OP from using the information in the short answer incorrectly in their own application. On the other hand there are times where the OP just needs a short answer and an explanation to teach the masses isn't justified.

when I post most answers to questions I'm fully aware that the VAST majority of the readers don,t fall into the same level of experience that you or several other more experienced members have, thus I try to point out factors that you may feel are obvious but many readers are absolutely clueless about or things they never considered.
I nearly always find I have guys in my shop who think that simply buying some single component , bolting it on, driving away is both easy to do and all thats required, and if you think about the fact that these posted answers are not intended to be read by just you alone but to be useful for dozens of less experienced guys who also read them, you may see that I,m not trying in any way reduce my respect for your skills but simply point out to the vast majority of those guys with far less experience that there are other factors involved that need to be considered.

The "other factors involved" is the big issue for me. All too often on forums (not very often here) people post what they feel are yes/no right/wrong type questions in an original post without enough supporting information to get the quick answer and if they do get a quick answer from someone (anyone) even if it's wrong then others lurking with similar but different situations will use the quick answer and apply it to their own project. Happens a lot with overheating issues. I don't usually answer questions like that. However if an OP provides a lot of the necessary information excluding only a couple factors, then I'll ask about the unknown factors and see if I may know the correct answer they need.

By the way Grump I've got a BBC 454 should I run a Dominator carb? ahahaha
 
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