If your seriously looking into the purchase of a fire arm for home defense you obviously have three basic categories.
handguns (decent power, easily concealed and easily carried but generally best used at well under 30 yards in most hands)
thus high power rifle cartridges tend to be a less than ideal choice in most applications.
in my opinion, you'll want to own several firearms,
and firearms CHAMBERED in very commonly available cartridges like,
223,308, 30-06, 7.62/54 7.62/39 or 9mm and 45 acp for defensive use.
While you might want a 22lr and several thousand cartridges stored for years of hunting small game,
frequent, practice, and plinking, because its economical, it not a good choice for many uses.
You would not consider a 22LR as close to ideal for personal defensive use!
You'll want something larger for personal defense, and if you hunt or shoot frequently,
hand loading and bullet casting, help reduce costs and allow you to keep adequate ammo on hand.
generally you want to store or have on hand, thousands of primers and cases , ideally stored in water proof containers ,
having so is a huge plus in your bag of supplies like brass and primers and projectiles, and having a reloading press and related tools and the related skills helps immensely. having a 45/70, 357 mag and the ability to cast lead alloy bullets has potentially long term benefits
shotguns ( generally much better power, than a handgun, are for defensive use,but not easy to conceal,
much more effective than a handgun, if the correct ammos selected,slugs or 00 buckshot
but (generally limited to about 50-80 yards max effective range) far more than required in most cases.
MILITARY STYLE (CLONE)SEMI-AUTO RIFLES(ideally chambered in handgun cartridges) can be suppressed
all choices in rifles or ammo, will be a compromise in several areas
(hard to easily conceal, compared to a handgun,
but rifles have decent power, much more range and accuracy potential.
, generally higher ammo price, but in many cartridge choices, frequently more easy ammo availability etc,
and ( any carbine or rifle should be selected too have at least 300 yard range minimum)
equipped with both good optics and iron sights,
MOST OF THE COMMON MILITARY STYLE RIFLES,
you'll see for sale are available in these three calibers, these are your common choices
,keep in mind any fire-arms rather useless without a decent supply of matched ammo.
(so have at least 400-1000 cartridges, and 5-6 magazines and a few minor spare repair,
parts, properly stored)
what would you select and WHY?
keep in mind having commonly available ammo is critical here, making ,
pistol cartridge chambered carbines a good option,
but rifle chambered carbines may be potentially more dangerous for in the home defensive use.
rifle cartridge, chambered carbines have too much penetration in some cases.
223 rem (AR),
308 win, M1A1)
7.62 x 39 (AK)
top choices for a military semi clone, rifle
the 30/06 (Garand) or if your limited a bolt action 6.5mm Swedish Mauser is a valid option
think through your options and consider what might happen if you miss your intended target inside your home!
A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined,
but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition
to maintain a status of independence from any who
might attempt to abuse them,
which would include their own government.
The best defense against evil men,
are good men who are skilled at violence.
you would have a difficult time finding a pistol caliber carbine,
more dependable than a semi auto 9mm uzi clone!
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/all-magazines/rifles
military, based rifle designs MUST be durable and dependable, and at least semi accurate. they must have good parts interchangeability ,
and be designed to operate under less than ideal conditions with minimal cleaning, and maintenance.
2"-3" 100 yard accuracy is often considered adequate,
and the average,off the rack, rifle,
may have issues consistently duplicating that accuracy level,
but most commercial clones with a few tweaks and commercial parts,after being mildly reworked, easily provide better accuracy consistently,
both the better quality clones of the AR15 and M14 can be tweaked to provide excellent accuracy (especially the heavy barrel match versions)
(keep in mind ammo quality, being used, maters a great deal)
personally I think every RESPONSIBLE ,
and emotionally mature, adult thats willing too train with,
and properly maintain a rifle, and use it safely ,should purchase and own an AR15, AK47, mini 14,clone,
or M1a style semi auto or similar rifle, and have at least 500 cartridge's and 6-9 magazines in reserve.
yeah that would include the gals and probably require you own a gun safe,
for safe storage, of rifle and ammo,
and require you practice, with the rifle, several times a year minimum
for the few uneducated members
clips are frequently used to transport ammo, and efficiently quickly, refill magazines
if you only have a couple magazines the 50 cal cans are a decent option
a couple 40 mm ammo cans are about ideal if you have a bunch of magazines
the 40mm ammo cans easily hold twice plus the number of magazines and ammo that a 50 cal ammo can holds
http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/ammo-cans-storage-containers/40mm-ammo-box.html
its a damn good idea to own several of the 50 cal ammo cans if you have a couple extra pistol or rifle magazines.
dirty, rusty magazines are usually nearly useless and become permanently damaged rapidly.
(don,t forget to use the zip-lock bags and a storage prep like written up above)
but if you have a few dozen , upgrading to the larger 40-mm ammo can ,
makes a great deal more sense economically as your container generally,
costs less than twice as much as the 50 cal cans,
but holds MORE than twice the volume in contents.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...e-223-may-not-be-lethal-enough-for-civilians/
remember any rifles worthless without a good supply of ammo, so Id suggest stocking up with all you can afford, plus an assortment of smaller internal repair parts and a good cleaning kit, so you can keep it operational
223/5.56 is the common AR 15 /m 16 caliber
if you do the required research you'll very quickly find that there's a huge selection of various components available, you'll obviously want too select the components that match your intended use.
complete kits are available to custom build your particular idea of the ideal rifle.
http://www.model1sales.com/
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=79
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=346
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/cat...rts-by-gun-model/ar-15/complete-build-kits.do
If YOU buy a complete kit , for $550-$700- it includes all the required parts except the lower receiver,
I would suggest a heavy stainless fluted barrel to have better heat dissipation characteristics,building a custom AR 15 is generally very easy and fairly cheap, compared too several other options.
and a chrome bolt assembly as they are a bit less fouling prone, yes it increases weight , but it helps accuracy and durability.
you can build an AR15 like an erector set, mix & matching components to build your ideal carbine.
(something you can,t do nearly as easily building an AK)
most larger gun shops will sell you a stripped lower AR 15 receiver for just under $100, so if you assemble the parts yourself,
you should easily have a quality rifle for under $700-$900 dependent on components selected.
be aware youll need to carefully select options and don,t forget iron sights
https://store.springfield-armory.co...CnQ&utm_content=173322723&utm_source=hs_email
heres an accessory that might prove critical, but its a bit expensive
7.62 x 39mm is your most common AK 47 style rifle cambering
AK carbines are very dependable and reasonably priced,
many various models are for sale at under $600
ID strongly suggest selecting a MILLED not stamped receiver version.
you'll typically not find an AK to be as accurate as an AR15 or M14 but its certainly capable of hits out at 250 yards on an
opponent
I would STRONGLY suggest ...if you select any AK based 7.62/39 cartridge based rifle,
you insist on one made with a FORGED receiver, (not stamped sheet metal) and one that accepts original 30 shot AK magazines
one factor not being discussed is that theres a world of difference in various AK rifle;s as to the quality and potential accuracy
most surplus AK ammo is crap, mill surplus quality, accuracy was never a huge concern,
if you hand load that can be significantly improved on, speer 150 grain .311 bullets over rl7 powder tends to work ok.
https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2217
no one who's done extensive testing will begin to tell you the AR platform does not on average have some advantages,
but not all AK based rifles are hopelessly inaccurate,
military stamped steel receivers , iron sights short sight radius,
and non-chrome lined barrels like the picture above, tend to shoot 2"-5" 100 yard groups
forged receiver versions with chrome-lined barrels like the picture below,
readily accept the 30 round magazines
and 2"-3" 100 yard groups with iron sights are quite common and with a decent scope and mounts
and longer barrels ,1.5":-2" groups are rather the norm, yeah the Norinco trigger sucks, but you can improve it and get used to using it.
it will never beat a bull barrel AR for accuracy, but its certainly a decent 100-150 yard deer rifle if proper ammo is used in skilled hands
if your hunting hogs in florida
the sporter AK, rifles pictured above are a very good value
they have forged receivers and chrome bores, and longer and generally more accurate barrels in my experience
if your hunting hogs in florida
the sporter AK clones like the one pictured above, are a very effective and useful firearm.
https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullets/311/311-150-sptz-bullet
https://loaddata.com/Article/BenchTopics/Handloads-for-the-762x39/101
http://handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=7.62 x 39&Weight=All&type=rifle&Order=Powder&Source=
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/1/9/handloading-the-762x39-mm-m43/
https://loaddata.com/Article/BenchTopics/Handloads-for-the-762x39/101
https://ultimatereloader.com/2017/04/14/high-performance-7-62x39mm-reloads-for-the-ak-47/
http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manuals/Reloading/Caliber Specific Load Data/Complete Reloading Manual for the 7.62x39.pdf
https://rifleshooter.com/2017/04/re...load-development-with-125-and-150-gr-bullets/
7.62 x 51mm or 308 win is available in the M1A1 and AR10 variants
IF YOU OWN OR BUY AN M1A1
1. Clearance the stock from rubbing on the gas cylinder or op rod.
2. Clearance the hand guard from rubbing on the stock.
3. Properly shim the gas cylinder until gas lock snugs around 5 o'clock.
4. Grease the front band where it touches the ferrul.
5. Verify your action with tilt tests on oprod/bolt and piston.
(the concept of making your shots count and accurate shot placement seems lost on the "SPRAY AND PRAY" mentality)
this seems a bit like the military where the 223 has a less than ideal reputation and the 7.62 has long been considered far more effective, but because the average soldier can carry twice as many 223 vs 7.62 for the weight , and the 223 is easier to control under full auto fire ,the 223 was selected.
(personally Id rather trust my lift to a m 14 and carry 300 cartridges than a ar 15 with 600 cartridges) simply because I know the m14 reaches out further punches through more cover and one decent center mass hits usually fatal, and the guy behind the guy can also be killed.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/968185387/PTR-Indust-PTR-91F-HK91-G3-Clone-308-w-5-20-Rd-Mag.htm
theres always a trade off, between the power and weight in any rifle and ammo selection, you can go for the smaller lighter caliber like a 223, pushs a common 55 grain projectile that allows you to carry a great deal of ammo but the lighter weight/mass of the projectile limits the effective energy the projectile retains as the distance increases, this is why a 223 has difficulty penetrating a standard military helmet at ranges exceeding 500 yards and why the heavier 308 caliber at a slightly lower velocity can still do so at 800 plus yards.
the 308 hits harder at 450 yards than the 223 does at 50 yards
now you might think this is rather meaningless as most combat occurs at under 300 yards, but that same increased inertia means that the enemy combatant has far less chance of a bullet penetrating light cover like a car door, or wood fence with a 223 vs a 308 that would easily zip through what resists a 223.
the trade off is you can carry about twice as many cartridges in 223 vs 308, so you need to be a bit more conservative spraying rounds indiscriminately with the 308, as the typical battly load might be 300-600 , vs 600-1000 with a 223,
in most rifles cambered for the Russian 7.62/39 the cartridge power is about mid way between the 223 rem and 308 win but in most of the AK variants it lacks accuracy, past 300 yards, but the rifles have excellent durability/dependability
(theres always trade offs)
before I post my ideas lets hear yours
308 180gr Sierra hpbt Match 2600fps 26in bbl .223 federal gold medal match 69gr sierra hpbt match 2950 (factory load)
........................308.....223............308..........223...................................308...............223
Range yds....Path in........................Velocity fps...................................Energy ft/lbs
Muzzle..........-1.5............................2600........2950....................................2702............1333
50........... ... -0.1............................2510................................................... 2517
100............... 0.0..........0.0.............2421.........2642....................................2343............1069
150..............-1.4.............................2335.....................................................2179
200..............-4.4..........-3.5.............2251........2353.....................................2025 .............848
250............. -9.2.............................2168.....................................................1878
300........... -15.8.........-13.5............2086........2084.....................................1740..............665
350............-24.3.............................2007.....................................................1610
400........... -35.1.............................1929........1832.....................................1487.............514
450............-48.2.............................1853.....................................................1373
500........... -63.8.............................1780........1604.....................................1266.............394
550........... -82.1.............................1708.....................................................1166
600..........-103.5.............................1639.....................................................1073
650..........-128.0.............................1572...................................................... 987
700..........-156.1.............................1507...................................................... 908
750......... -188.0.............................1446.......................................................835
800..........-224.1.............................1387.......................................................769
personally I think the government ought to promote civilian marksmanship,
something like having a once a year , optionally available test,
for any adult 18 years old and older,
that can legally own a firearm, and have the tests available locally,
(within 25 miles of, ) every zip code.
(every weekend the test should be available,
the at your local outdoor rifle range test that certifies your skills, )
that you can take up to three times in any one year,
and if you can shoot well enough with a military style, bolt action or semi-auto,rifle of your choice,
in any commonly available military caliber 223, 308, win-or -30/06 service rifle clone,
that you own personally,
if you can shoot well enough,
(so you can put 8 out of 10 shots in a 10" circle at 200 yards shooting offhand)
or 8 of 10 shots in a 6" circle while sitting,
,in under 2 minutes time,)
you get a $1000 tax credit for that year.
if both you and your wife can quality thats a $2000,
FOR that year's tax credit, that you mail in with your tax return.
if you can shoot well enough,
it would be a good reason to keep in practice and own a firearm.
if I'm going to get involved in serious social disputes
Id vastly prefer my M1A1, having the ability to punch through light cover and body armor, and have no tell tail smoke from a shot, and being able to easily hit targets with a scope mounted at 600 yards plus has advantages, and carrying (8) 20 cartridge magazines , in a vest, certainly beats a muzzle loader with maybe 50 shots in a belt pouch
btw a 215 federal primer and 3031, 4064 or 4895 powders and a 168 grain-180 grain bullet all work well in a 308 if proper loads are used
https://gundigest.com/article/5-scout-rifles-survival
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/sunday-gunday-6-best-survival-rifles-market/
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-survival-rifles/
https://www.skilledsurvival.com/best-survival-rifles-for-shtf/
https://www.skilledsurvival.com/best-survival-guns-you-want-to-own/
handguns (decent power, easily concealed and easily carried but generally best used at well under 30 yards in most hands)
thus high power rifle cartridges tend to be a less than ideal choice in most applications.
in my opinion, you'll want to own several firearms,
and firearms CHAMBERED in very commonly available cartridges like,
223,308, 30-06, 7.62/54 7.62/39 or 9mm and 45 acp for defensive use.
While you might want a 22lr and several thousand cartridges stored for years of hunting small game,
frequent, practice, and plinking, because its economical, it not a good choice for many uses.
You would not consider a 22LR as close to ideal for personal defensive use!
You'll want something larger for personal defense, and if you hunt or shoot frequently,
hand loading and bullet casting, help reduce costs and allow you to keep adequate ammo on hand.
generally you want to store or have on hand, thousands of primers and cases , ideally stored in water proof containers ,
having so is a huge plus in your bag of supplies like brass and primers and projectiles, and having a reloading press and related tools and the related skills helps immensely. having a 45/70, 357 mag and the ability to cast lead alloy bullets has potentially long term benefits
shotguns ( generally much better power, than a handgun, are for defensive use,but not easy to conceal,
much more effective than a handgun, if the correct ammos selected,slugs or 00 buckshot
but (generally limited to about 50-80 yards max effective range) far more than required in most cases.
MILITARY STYLE (CLONE)SEMI-AUTO RIFLES(ideally chambered in handgun cartridges) can be suppressed
all choices in rifles or ammo, will be a compromise in several areas
(hard to easily conceal, compared to a handgun,
but rifles have decent power, much more range and accuracy potential.
, generally higher ammo price, but in many cartridge choices, frequently more easy ammo availability etc,
and ( any carbine or rifle should be selected too have at least 300 yard range minimum)
equipped with both good optics and iron sights,
MOST OF THE COMMON MILITARY STYLE RIFLES,
you'll see for sale are available in these three calibers, these are your common choices
,keep in mind any fire-arms rather useless without a decent supply of matched ammo.
(so have at least 400-1000 cartridges, and 5-6 magazines and a few minor spare repair,
parts, properly stored)
what would you select and WHY?
keep in mind having commonly available ammo is critical here, making ,
pistol cartridge chambered carbines a good option,
but rifle chambered carbines may be potentially more dangerous for in the home defensive use.
rifle cartridge, chambered carbines have too much penetration in some cases.
223 rem (AR),
308 win, M1A1)
7.62 x 39 (AK)
top choices for a military semi clone, rifle
the 30/06 (Garand) or if your limited a bolt action 6.5mm Swedish Mauser is a valid option
think through your options and consider what might happen if you miss your intended target inside your home!
how many people own a M1 carbine, sks, or similar carbine
do you now or have you ever owned a M1 carbine? when I was growing up, owning one was about as common as owning a hammer, every one owned one! any of these carbines are very effective home defense or hunting carbines, and certainly far easier to hit with in rather unpracticed hands . in fact...
garage.grumpysperformance.com
but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition
to maintain a status of independence from any who
might attempt to abuse them,
which would include their own government.
The best defense against evil men,
are good men who are skilled at violence.
you would have a difficult time finding a pistol caliber carbine,
more dependable than a semi auto 9mm uzi clone!
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/all-magazines/rifles
military, based rifle designs MUST be durable and dependable, and at least semi accurate. they must have good parts interchangeability ,
and be designed to operate under less than ideal conditions with minimal cleaning, and maintenance.
2"-3" 100 yard accuracy is often considered adequate,
and the average,off the rack, rifle,
may have issues consistently duplicating that accuracy level,
but most commercial clones with a few tweaks and commercial parts,after being mildly reworked, easily provide better accuracy consistently,
both the better quality clones of the AR15 and M14 can be tweaked to provide excellent accuracy (especially the heavy barrel match versions)
(keep in mind ammo quality, being used, maters a great deal)
personally I think every RESPONSIBLE ,
and emotionally mature, adult thats willing too train with,
and properly maintain a rifle, and use it safely ,should purchase and own an AR15, AK47, mini 14,clone,
or M1a style semi auto or similar rifle, and have at least 500 cartridge's and 6-9 magazines in reserve.
yeah that would include the gals and probably require you own a gun safe,
for safe storage, of rifle and ammo,
and require you practice, with the rifle, several times a year minimum
for the few uneducated members
clips are frequently used to transport ammo, and efficiently quickly, refill magazines
if you only have a couple magazines the 50 cal cans are a decent option
a couple 40 mm ammo cans are about ideal if you have a bunch of magazines
the 40mm ammo cans easily hold twice plus the number of magazines and ammo that a 50 cal ammo can holds
http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/ammo-cans-storage-containers/40mm-ammo-box.html
its a damn good idea to own several of the 50 cal ammo cans if you have a couple extra pistol or rifle magazines.
dirty, rusty magazines are usually nearly useless and become permanently damaged rapidly.
(don,t forget to use the zip-lock bags and a storage prep like written up above)
but if you have a few dozen , upgrading to the larger 40-mm ammo can ,
makes a great deal more sense economically as your container generally,
costs less than twice as much as the 50 cal cans,
but holds MORE than twice the volume in contents.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...e-223-may-not-be-lethal-enough-for-civilians/
remember any rifles worthless without a good supply of ammo, so Id suggest stocking up with all you can afford, plus an assortment of smaller internal repair parts and a good cleaning kit, so you can keep it operational
223/5.56 is the common AR 15 /m 16 caliber
if you do the required research you'll very quickly find that there's a huge selection of various components available, you'll obviously want too select the components that match your intended use.
complete kits are available to custom build your particular idea of the ideal rifle.
http://www.model1sales.com/
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=79
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=346
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/cat...rts-by-gun-model/ar-15/complete-build-kits.do
If YOU buy a complete kit , for $550-$700- it includes all the required parts except the lower receiver,
I would suggest a heavy stainless fluted barrel to have better heat dissipation characteristics,building a custom AR 15 is generally very easy and fairly cheap, compared too several other options.
and a chrome bolt assembly as they are a bit less fouling prone, yes it increases weight , but it helps accuracy and durability.
you can build an AR15 like an erector set, mix & matching components to build your ideal carbine.
(something you can,t do nearly as easily building an AK)
most larger gun shops will sell you a stripped lower AR 15 receiver for just under $100, so if you assemble the parts yourself,
you should easily have a quality rifle for under $700-$900 dependent on components selected.
be aware youll need to carefully select options and don,t forget iron sights
https://store.springfield-armory.co...CnQ&utm_content=173322723&utm_source=hs_email
heres an accessory that might prove critical, but its a bit expensive
7.62 x 39mm is your most common AK 47 style rifle cambering
AK carbines are very dependable and reasonably priced,
many various models are for sale at under $600
ID strongly suggest selecting a MILLED not stamped receiver version.
you'll typically not find an AK to be as accurate as an AR15 or M14 but its certainly capable of hits out at 250 yards on an
opponent
DS ARMS SA58 FAL RIFLE FALO HEAVY BARREL - Rock Firearms
FALO as an abbreviation from the French Fusil Automatique Lourd.
rockfirearms.com
I would STRONGLY suggest ...if you select any AK based 7.62/39 cartridge based rifle,
you insist on one made with a FORGED receiver, (not stamped sheet metal) and one that accepts original 30 shot AK magazines
one factor not being discussed is that theres a world of difference in various AK rifle;s as to the quality and potential accuracy
most surplus AK ammo is crap, mill surplus quality, accuracy was never a huge concern,
if you hand load that can be significantly improved on, speer 150 grain .311 bullets over rl7 powder tends to work ok.
https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2217
no one who's done extensive testing will begin to tell you the AR platform does not on average have some advantages,
but not all AK based rifles are hopelessly inaccurate,
military stamped steel receivers , iron sights short sight radius,
and non-chrome lined barrels like the picture above, tend to shoot 2"-5" 100 yard groups
forged receiver versions with chrome-lined barrels like the picture below,
readily accept the 30 round magazines
and 2"-3" 100 yard groups with iron sights are quite common and with a decent scope and mounts
and longer barrels ,1.5":-2" groups are rather the norm, yeah the Norinco trigger sucks, but you can improve it and get used to using it.
it will never beat a bull barrel AR for accuracy, but its certainly a decent 100-150 yard deer rifle if proper ammo is used in skilled hands
if your hunting hogs in florida
the sporter AK, rifles pictured above are a very good value
they have forged receivers and chrome bores, and longer and generally more accurate barrels in my experience
if your hunting hogs in florida
the sporter AK clones like the one pictured above, are a very effective and useful firearm.
https://www.speer-ammo.com/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullets/311/311-150-sptz-bullet
https://loaddata.com/Article/BenchTopics/Handloads-for-the-762x39/101
http://handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=7.62 x 39&Weight=All&type=rifle&Order=Powder&Source=
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/1/9/handloading-the-762x39-mm-m43/
https://loaddata.com/Article/BenchTopics/Handloads-for-the-762x39/101
https://ultimatereloader.com/2017/04/14/high-performance-7-62x39mm-reloads-for-the-ak-47/
http://marvinstuart.com/firearm/Manuals/Reloading/Caliber Specific Load Data/Complete Reloading Manual for the 7.62x39.pdf
https://rifleshooter.com/2017/04/re...load-development-with-125-and-150-gr-bullets/
7.62 x 51mm or 308 win is available in the M1A1 and AR10 variants
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IF YOU OWN OR BUY AN M1A1
1. Clearance the stock from rubbing on the gas cylinder or op rod.
2. Clearance the hand guard from rubbing on the stock.
3. Properly shim the gas cylinder until gas lock snugs around 5 o'clock.
4. Grease the front band where it touches the ferrul.
5. Verify your action with tilt tests on oprod/bolt and piston.
(the concept of making your shots count and accurate shot placement seems lost on the "SPRAY AND PRAY" mentality)
this seems a bit like the military where the 223 has a less than ideal reputation and the 7.62 has long been considered far more effective, but because the average soldier can carry twice as many 223 vs 7.62 for the weight , and the 223 is easier to control under full auto fire ,the 223 was selected.
(personally Id rather trust my lift to a m 14 and carry 300 cartridges than a ar 15 with 600 cartridges) simply because I know the m14 reaches out further punches through more cover and one decent center mass hits usually fatal, and the guy behind the guy can also be killed.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/968185387/PTR-Indust-PTR-91F-HK91-G3-Clone-308-w-5-20-Rd-Mag.htm
theres always a trade off, between the power and weight in any rifle and ammo selection, you can go for the smaller lighter caliber like a 223, pushs a common 55 grain projectile that allows you to carry a great deal of ammo but the lighter weight/mass of the projectile limits the effective energy the projectile retains as the distance increases, this is why a 223 has difficulty penetrating a standard military helmet at ranges exceeding 500 yards and why the heavier 308 caliber at a slightly lower velocity can still do so at 800 plus yards.
the 308 hits harder at 450 yards than the 223 does at 50 yards
now you might think this is rather meaningless as most combat occurs at under 300 yards, but that same increased inertia means that the enemy combatant has far less chance of a bullet penetrating light cover like a car door, or wood fence with a 223 vs a 308 that would easily zip through what resists a 223.
the trade off is you can carry about twice as many cartridges in 223 vs 308, so you need to be a bit more conservative spraying rounds indiscriminately with the 308, as the typical battly load might be 300-600 , vs 600-1000 with a 223,
in most rifles cambered for the Russian 7.62/39 the cartridge power is about mid way between the 223 rem and 308 win but in most of the AK variants it lacks accuracy, past 300 yards, but the rifles have excellent durability/dependability
(theres always trade offs)
before I post my ideas lets hear yours
308 180gr Sierra hpbt Match 2600fps 26in bbl .223 federal gold medal match 69gr sierra hpbt match 2950 (factory load)
........................308.....223............308..........223...................................308...............223
Range yds....Path in........................Velocity fps...................................Energy ft/lbs
Muzzle..........-1.5............................2600........2950....................................2702............1333
50........... ... -0.1............................2510................................................... 2517
100............... 0.0..........0.0.............2421.........2642....................................2343............1069
150..............-1.4.............................2335.....................................................2179
200..............-4.4..........-3.5.............2251........2353.....................................2025 .............848
250............. -9.2.............................2168.....................................................1878
300........... -15.8.........-13.5............2086........2084.....................................1740..............665
350............-24.3.............................2007.....................................................1610
400........... -35.1.............................1929........1832.....................................1487.............514
450............-48.2.............................1853.....................................................1373
500........... -63.8.............................1780........1604.....................................1266.............394
550........... -82.1.............................1708.....................................................1166
600..........-103.5.............................1639.....................................................1073
650..........-128.0.............................1572...................................................... 987
700..........-156.1.............................1507...................................................... 908
750......... -188.0.............................1446.......................................................835
800..........-224.1.............................1387.......................................................769
personally I think the government ought to promote civilian marksmanship,
something like having a once a year , optionally available test,
for any adult 18 years old and older,
that can legally own a firearm, and have the tests available locally,
(within 25 miles of, ) every zip code.
(every weekend the test should be available,
the at your local outdoor rifle range test that certifies your skills, )
that you can take up to three times in any one year,
and if you can shoot well enough with a military style, bolt action or semi-auto,rifle of your choice,
in any commonly available military caliber 223, 308, win-or -30/06 service rifle clone,
that you own personally,
if you can shoot well enough,
(so you can put 8 out of 10 shots in a 10" circle at 200 yards shooting offhand)
or 8 of 10 shots in a 6" circle while sitting,
,in under 2 minutes time,)
you get a $1000 tax credit for that year.
if both you and your wife can quality thats a $2000,
FOR that year's tax credit, that you mail in with your tax return.
if you can shoot well enough,
it would be a good reason to keep in practice and own a firearm.
if I'm going to get involved in serious social disputes
Id vastly prefer my M1A1, having the ability to punch through light cover and body armor, and have no tell tail smoke from a shot, and being able to easily hit targets with a scope mounted at 600 yards plus has advantages, and carrying (8) 20 cartridge magazines , in a vest, certainly beats a muzzle loader with maybe 50 shots in a belt pouch
btw a 215 federal primer and 3031, 4064 or 4895 powders and a 168 grain-180 grain bullet all work well in a 308 if proper loads are used
https://gundigest.com/article/5-scout-rifles-survival
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/sunday-gunday-6-best-survival-rifles-market/
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-survival-rifles/
https://www.skilledsurvival.com/best-survival-rifles-for-shtf/
https://www.skilledsurvival.com/best-survival-guns-you-want-to-own/
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