should I start reloading?

Discussion in 'reloading/bullet casting' started by Grumpy, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member


    it really depends on how much ammo you'll want on hand and if your willing to both buy the equipment,
    and get into the secondary hobby of producing that ammo.

    theres no question that you can produce good reliable ammo at a cost savings ,
    but the time and effort and equipment cost may not be worth the savings unless you shoot a good deal
    read this link
    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...bout-getting-into-reloading.11358/#post-51890


    ammo in bulk is not cheap but youll want to compare the cost vs benefits and the time spent
    https://www.targetsportsusa.com/308-...mmo-c-101.aspx

    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index....o-308-762-nato

    http://ammunitionstore.com/categorie...7-62x51mm.html
    getting commercial ammo will cost 45-60 cents a shot in bulk for that 308

    http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...do-i-need-here-for-a-500-s-w-reloading.11917/

    load data is available
    http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/de...All&type=Rifle


    16-20 cents each for projectiles
    https://www.wideners.com/reloading-s...mj-500-reviews

    16-20 cents for cases

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/2337933...?ref=related-4

    $3-3.50 a hundred for primers

    and maybe $20-27 a pound for powder and you get maybe 120-130 shots per pound

    then theres the equipment, which you might be able to buy used in great condition at a discount,
    but if you buy good basic equipment you,ll usually spend $350-$550
    (press , powder scale ,dies , shell holder, manuals,case trimmer, primer tools,,case tumbler)

    youll get 4-9 reloads per case, on average depending on the rifle and how hot the case is reloaded,
    you may save 16 -20 cent a cartridge with reloads on 308 win
    the economic point is, reached (and that varies wildly with the cartridge selected)
    but with a 308 win or 223, rem that will generally be a break-even is between 1200-1800 cartridges,
    from that point on the price per cartridge drops.

    if you were reloading a 375 H&H , 300 wby 416 rem or 458 win etc.
    where cartridges cost $60-$80 for 20 cartridges the cost of reloading makes a great deal of sense,
    you could easily reduce the cost by 40%-70% of commercial ammo.

    but for a 308 win, 223 rem,9mm para where mill surplus is abundant, and reasonably priced, at least currently, its generally not a huge savings

    now if you want to shoot pistols ar rifles and use cast projectiles you can save a good deal more,
    especially if you cast your own bullets but that could easily add an additional $150-$500 in additional initial, tool cost,
    but it could also reduce projectile cost to a couple cents a shot,
    in lead, lube and maybe a gas check, for example

    450 marlin ammo costs $26-$30 a box for 20

    (thats about $130-$1.50 cents a shot)
    you can reload it if you have the brass , for under 30 cents a shot using a good accurate cast gas check projectile (a savings of 70%-to - 90%)
    youll have similar percentage savings with many of the larger less common cartridges, especially magnums


    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/bulk-ammo-sources.12454/

    http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

    http://www.nosler.com/load-data/

    http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/reloading_manual/

    http://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/

    http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/

    http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/

    http://optimalchargeweight.embarqspace.com/

    http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

    http://www.nosler.com/load-data/

    http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/reloading_manual/

    http://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/

    http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/

    http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/



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    https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/dept/reloading/rifle-bullets

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    http://www.georgia-arms.com/bulk-quantity-ammunition-canned-heat
     
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2018
  2. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    I got asked what,
    " what would you suggest if a person was interested in accumulating a S.H.T.F survival rifle and ammo?"


    most people will suggest you buy an SKS or AK47 as the lower cost and dependable option,and store a lot of cases of ammo,and while thats an option, once you run out of ammo your screwed,
    if your looking to have a long term source for a rifle with usable ammo, on a cost per shot basis, and over a long term,
    Id suggest you consider having the ability to reload, and cast your own projectiles, in a caliber that can be very effective using cast bullets, the 357 mag , 44 mag, 45 lc, 450 marlin 458 win, and 45/70 all come to mind as good options.
    as high quality lever or bolt action rifle might be a good investment,
    finding a bargain on used or cheap but high quality reloading tools and decent bullet casting molds a supply of brass,(mild loads allow brass to be re-used many times) primers (stock up a bunch these, they are reasonably cheap, easily stored and last decades and don,t take up much space), and powder , would cost about the same as stocking up with several thousand center-fire cartridges, but in a survival context it would allow you to still have a functional firearm for a good deal more shots.
    the larger diameter calibers pushing a reasonably high mass projectile , can be very very effective (50 million buffalo were killed with cartridges like the 45/70) and if your really forced too you can manufacture black powder
    (obviously look into how that's done and print out, and have copies of all the minute details in duplicate)
     
  3. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

  4. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    Allen is one of the guys I hunt with, and hand load for , rather regularly,he uses a marlin 45lc and these hand loads,
    cast and use gas check,300 grain bullets, bullets from 95% WW alloy and 5% tin,
    10 grains of blue dot works well, (accurate) and about 1000 fps in the rifle but your limited to about 120 yards , due to trajectory and retained energy
    the bullets are lethal enough at that range for deer and hogs but don,t expect spectacular kills according to Allen
    hit where you need too and they kill very well
    https://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c452-300-rf.html

    https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever...1894cb-45-colt

    http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=45%20Colt&Weight=All&type=Hand gun&Source=

    personally if I wanted a marlin too use with cast bullet's in a lever gun Id select a 45/70 like this one linked below
    and load 350 grain cast, gas check bullets over 45 grains of RL7 with a 215 fed primer,

    https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/model-1895-big-bore/model-1895cb

    http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=45-70&Weight=All&type=rifle&Source

    http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/d...70&Weight=350&type=rifle&Order=Powder&Source=
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2018

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