something new from G.M. in a v8

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  1. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    https://www.chevyhardcore.com/tech-...-architecture-dohc-4-2l-550hp-twin-turbo-v-8/

    GM Debuts New Architecture, DOHC 4.2L 550hp Twin-Turbo V8

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    By DAVE CRUIKSHANK MARCH 21, 2018


    When the big daddy Caddy CT6 debuted last year with a twin-turbo V6, the automotive world gave the equivalent of an eye roll.

    With a former German car executive running Cadillac, it was probably just a matter of time before we saw a true Autobahn contender from Cadillac, even though the Wreath and Crest division only sells cars in the U.S., Canada and the Middle East. With it’s smaller stablemate CTS-V packing big-cube V8 horsepower for years, we wondered what GM had up its sleeve for a future big kahuna version of their top-of-the-line entry.



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    Behold, GM's brand new, Cadillac exclusive, DOHC, 4.2L 550hp, Twin Turbo V8 engine.

    The introduction of this motor has many repercussions. Not only about Cadillac and it’s ability to regain “Standard Of The World” status, but also gives a crystal clear glimpse into GM’s commitment to the internal combustion engine and the future of gasoline performance from the biggest U.S. automaker.

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    According to Cadillac, their new V8 is a “DOHC, 4.2L twin-turbo V-8, a clean-sheet design three years in the making and exclusive to Cadillac, makes an estimated 550 hp and 627 lb-ft (850 Nm) of torque. A detuned version with an estimated 500 hp and 553 lb-ft (750 Nm) of torque also will be offered. The engines are mated to a Hydra-Matic 10L90 10-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission and all-wheel-drive only. Fuel economy and emissions ratings will come later.

    Wards Auto elaborates further, “The Cadillac V-8 uses a “Hot V” design, where the twin-scroll turbocharger and electric waste gate are mounted in the valley between the aluminum cylinder heads to minimize turbo lag and overall engine packaging. The catalytic converters also are nestled inside the V.

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    An aluminum cylinder block houses a rotating assembly consisting of a forged steel crankshaft, forged steel connecting rods and high-strength aluminum eutectic pistons. Relatively small, 86-mm cylinder bores allowed engineers to reduce the size and weight of the pistons, which optimizes the engine’s geometry to match fast-revving turbo boost and deliver lightning-quick responsiveness and power across the rpm band.

    Torque delivery focuses on the low- and mid-range rpm band, GM says, with 90 percent of peak pull available at 2,000 revolutions. It continues through 5,200 rpm for the feel of a bottomless power reserve, the automaker says.

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    Key technologies include gasoline direct injection and active fuel management, where four of the engine’s cylinders are deactivated under light loads to improve fuel economy. GM has a next-generation cylinder-deactivation system coming out with the capability to run between one and eight cylinders depending upon load, but the timing of the Cadillac engine was too far ahead to get the latest version.

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    GM places four oil jet assemblies within the block to aid in cooling and uses a variable-displacement vane oiling system to match oil supply with engine load for greater efficiency. Stop/start technology also improves fuel economy.”

    The engines will be hand-built at GM’s Bowling Green, KY, Performance Build Center, a part of the Chevrolet Corvette assembly plant where the Corvette Z06 LT4 small-block V8 are screwed together. Each of the new Cadillac engines will be autographed with the builders signature.

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    The rather blandly named “Twin Turbo V8” will debut in the 2019 Cadillac CT6 V-Sport–not V Series–at the New York Auto Show on March 28th, 2018. This is the first Cadillac exclusive V8 since the Northstar and will go a long way to injecting some sales momentum into the excellent, but a tad boring, CT6. The new CT6 will also have Escala-esque styling updates adding some exterior pizazz to go along with the new motor.

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    Car folks have cause for celebration here, but many questions arise from this introduction.

    What other Cadillac could get this engine?

    The Escalade is a logical recipient. Differentiating itself from the Denali with an exotic V8 could further delineate the ‘Slade from it’s sister model and justify an even higher- end model. It’s rumored that only 1,500 of the new V8s are slated for production, so that scenario is a giant “Wait and see,” although adding the motor to more models could pay off its development costs faster.

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    Top: Not Caddy’s first time at the DOHC rodeo…Bottom: Escalade ripe for new V8

    What about the ATS and CTS? The new V8 is smaller and weighs less than the LS/LT motors and would fit in both but that’s unclear at this point as well. On the other hand, spreading the motor all around nixes the exclusivity of an individually assembled engine, too.

    Will We See This Engine In C7 Corvette Or New Mid-Engined C8?

    Building the new engine at Bowling Green is telling as well. We’ve heard about a mysterious DOHC Twin Turbo mill for months as we anxiously follow the new C8 Corvette development. We think it will debut in a Corvette at some point. We also think this engine will see a displacement boost and big power bump when it lands in the new Corvette as GM always introduces the “mild” version first.

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  2. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    It's looks like a Viable answer to The CAFE LAW Grumpy.
    Interesting design the Hot V Cadillac TT.
    Induction side of the cylinder heads is outboard reversed.
    The design limits how big of MM the Turbo can be.
    Just run out of room.
    But Cadillacs are cruisers.

    To get 1000 Hp claimed talked about for a C8 the design outlay is not possible.
    Turbos have to be larger.
    Mounted outboard of the cylinder heads.
     
  3. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    The 4- valve piston does not lend itself well to High Boost.
    Zoom in....
    Valve reliefs cut deep into the Very Important Top Ring Land down placement.
    Need .300-.400" for High Boost 21-50 psi or more.
     
  4. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Thinking about it Grumpy....The Bore size has to made larger for 1000 Hp C8.
    Valve pockets will not intrude any then in theory.
     
  5. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Away from Digital Corvette Grumpy.....

    We both know it's a huge Engineering and Race Hotrod DRAG RACER GOAL FOR 1000 HP HIGH BOOST ON 91-93 OCTANE PUMP GAS FROM A 4.0 LITER SOMETHING ENGINE.
    ALL CORVETTES SINCE DAY 1 HAVE DINKY TINY RADIATORS AND NO SPACE FOR HUGE SINCE THE C4 GEN CORVETTE.

    MAYBE E85 FUELED.
    RACE GAS 110 MOTOR OCTANE SUNOCO.

    Take a super efficient intercooler.

    15-17psi max typical on 93 octane.
     
  6. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    yeah, computer controls and sensors, that can provide accurate data in real time too run e85 as fuel would be an option
     
  7. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Too Little Too Late.
    Dodge goes down as the Fastest ever built in the history books Grumpy.
    Pontiac is #2.
     
  8. Ernest Shaw

    Ernest Shaw Retired machinist

    Corvette could get it and become a TRUE autobahn cruiser.
     
  9. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    It will get pounced pounded passed right away.

    Need 800 Hp baseline N/A.
    Mild boost be at 1000 Hp.
     

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