TBucket 200-4R Transmission Project

Not sure if we are right Grumpy, I have been looking at several sites for performance built 200 - 4r trannys and all the pictures show that gear with holes drilled in each recess. Think maybe Rick may be on to something with that idea.
 
Hey Rick it may be a good idea with Part # 636 to take a larger drill and countesink that enlarged hole to knock off the burrs from drilling. I would even try to do it inside with a drill bit by hand. I would do it on the front gear also.
 

I see your guy's point. I figure Chris at CK Performance has built hundreds of these
trans and would hopefully know more than I do about building a performance transmission.

He recommended .150 inch holes and I used a 7/64 (.109) inch drill bit, so I did stay
on the conservative side with a smaller hole.

 
busterrm said:
Hey Rick it may be a good idea with Part # 636 to take a larger drill and countersink
that enlarged hole to knock off the burrs from drilling. I would even try to do it
inside with a drill bit by hand. I would do it on the front gear also.
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It's nice to see you all are checking up on me, making sure I'm getting it right !!!

It may not be visible, but I did debur and chamfer the edges on #636. I'm sure I
did the same on that Front Internal Gear #633, but I was going to look again and
make sure, but it's at the machine shop now. I looked for that part for 10
minutes, before I checked my Precision Machine document and realized it's at the
machine shop. :confused:

OilHoleChamfer#636_3392.jpg

 
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Not questioning you Rick, I couldn't see it from the pic, just thought I would mention it. Just seems lubrication would flow easier without the square edges.
 
busterrm said:
Not questioning you Rick, I couldn't see it from the pic, just thought I would mention it. Just seems lubrication would flow easier without the square edges.

How far are you from assembling the entire shooting match Rick?
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Not a problem, glad you are watching and questioning what you see. There is always a chance I might forget something.

I hope to get my last batch of parts from the machine by Christmas. I have a week off so I will have some time to spend on the trans. Of course there is those things like something I missed for the machine shop or parts that I might need. I good goal would be ready to start assembling about the 2nd week of January.

 
So you might be assembling it when I am free to drive up for a visit again. I might actually get to either help or watch it go together?
Of course with a import beer in my hand, hahahhahaha, which means I will probably be watching.
 
busterrm said:
So you might be assembling it when I am free to drive up for a visit again. I might actually get to either help or watch it go together?
Of course with a import beer in my hand, hahahhahaha, which means I will probably be watching.
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Come on up, I'm ready !!!

I will start stock up of beer, so as to be sure I have enough for you, don't want you
to run dry! Watching can make you awfully thirsty! :D :p :lol:

 
Indycars said:
busterrm said:
So you might be assembling it when I am free to drive up for a visit again. I might actually get to either help or watch it go together?
Of course with a import beer in my hand, hahahhahaha, which means I will probably be watching.
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Come on up, I'm ready !!!

I will start stock up of beer, so as to be sure I have enough for you, don't want you
to run dry! Watching can make you awfully thirsty! :D :p :lol:

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:D
 

I had the machine shop do this to about dozen steels earlier and it was worth
EVERY penny. If you ever want to rob a bank, first spend several hours sanding
something to remove your finger tips, then proceed with your get rich plan.

I spent roughly 30 minute per steel plate and I still have two more to complete
for the Forward Clutch Pack. All these steel plates came from the same clutch
pack in the trans I bought for parts. Anyway I wanted to post something even
if it was a minor event.

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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/711534 ... r-110-volt

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/conten ... se_Cleaner

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the dillon 12 quart size would make cleaning those plates a simple drop in, wait a couple hours and retrieve project

they make rifle brass vibratory cleaners that use abrasive media (jewelers rouge) on old walnut shells, that would polish up and remove all surface sharp edges fairly fast
 

I didn't get my parts back from the machine shop before the holidays, so I've been
working on getting the parts debured, cleaned, labeled and bagged. Then at some
point I began to wonder exactly how much and which parts were ready for assembly.
I needed some logical way to determine what was done and what was not. So I started
checking them off on the parts diagrams in the ATSG manual.

Most everything listed as Purchased are seals, bushings, clutch steels/clutch
friction disks and a few hard parts.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070128173316/http://members.aol.com/powerrslid/thm2004r.html
NOTE: Everything in this post are those components that make up the center
section of the transmission. Another words, there is nothing about the
external parts, pump, valve body or anything else in the pan side of the trans.

PartsCheckFrontHalfTrans_3550.jpg
PartsCheckBackHalfTrans_3551.jpg

It's not easy identifying every part such as snap-rings and backing plates ("Backing Plate"
is similar to a pressure plate for manual trans clutch).

PartsBagged&Labeled_3548.jpg

 
My hat is off to you,

undertaking this type of project is huge (for me anyway)and an indication of your skills,

Not to mention the shop and tools to do something like this usually takes a few years to accumulate,

You are with out question a person of great detail and no doubt that trans is built right,

thanks for the detailed documenting of your project and to grumpy's performance for the place to document it,

I put some thought into doing my 200 but after the research I didn't want to take the car off the road for the time to do it,

After seeing this if anything goes wrong with mine I may have to give it a shot,

thanks again for sharing your project,

now back to the shop, while out testing some carb tuning yesterday I blew a power steering hose, what a mess and I had just cleaned the engine, oh well a good reason to spend more time in the shop.

Neal
 
yes I concur the whole thread and the fantastic detail in the photos makes this thread a huge help to anyone contemplating a similar up grade to their transmission, I really.. REALLY, wish you were local as Id love to get my fingers oily helping out, help where I could and learn how to do that, (work on a 200r4), and potentially get your help when I convert my 4l80E to full manual control
 
DorianL said:
Yummy! Make me hungry

I know you can cook, it was in a recent post of yours! :D
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legerwn said:
My hat is off to you,
undertaking this type of project is huge (for me anyway)and an indication of your skills,

Many thanks for those comments, that's very nice of you !

Time will tell about the skill ;) , but I won't be surprised if I have to pull the trans a couple of times before it's fully functional. It's just to be expected the first time doing something like this.

Not to mention the shop and tools to do something like this usually takes a few years to accumulate,
You are with out question a person of great detail and no doubt that trans is built right,

Yes I'm a detail orientated person, sometimes to a fault. It takes so damn long to get something done. :D


thanks for the detailed documenting of your project and to grumpy's performance for the place to document it,

Well it's obvious that I enjoy sharing the process and I take the time to get some good pictures to help me describe what's happening. BUT it's the encouragement and support that I have gotten from Grumpy and DorianL that's made this possible. I was just like you about a year ago, then I saw where DorianL did his own 200-4R build in his basement and then installed in on a cobble stone driveway. So between the two of them, I realized I could do this.

DorianL's build thread: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=2949


I put some thought into doing my 200 but after the research I didn't want to take the car off the road for the time to do it,
After seeing this if anything goes wrong with mine I may have to give it a shot,

We'll be here to help as much as possible!

thanks again for sharing your project,
now back to the shop, while out testing some carb tuning yesterday I blew a power steering hose, what a mess and I had just cleaned the engine, oh well a good reason to spend more time in the shop.

Neal
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Grumpy said:
yes I concur the whole thread and the fantastic detail in the photos makes this thread a huge help to anyone contemplating a similar up grade to their transmission, I really.. REALLY, wish you were local as Id love to get my fingers oily helping out, help where I could and learn how to do that, (work on a 200r4), and potentially get your help when I convert my 4l80E to full manual control

Thanks Grumpy, it's your support that keeps me going. It would be better than Disney Land if we could get together share projects!!!
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Omg, all this wishy washy stuff is gonna make my eyes sweat! Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Just kidding, I am waiting to see the painting part, are you going to paint it black like the motor? I am picturing a engine and tranny bolted together ready to drop in the T Bucket.
 
Mmmm - I still have my VB in the man-cave. This is inspiring me. I just need to get track down that electrical issue first. The weather should be decent this weekend - not freezing or raining. I'll probably do this Sunday.

I must say, you are doing a BEAUTIFUL job. I sincerely doubt you'll have to pull it out considering how meticulous you are...
 
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