TBucket Engine Project (Dart SHP)

Discussion in 'Engine Combos and Dynometer Database' started by Indycars, Nov 3, 2010.

  1. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    I plan on tomorrow going back and removing the screws, then silver solder the baffles in place. If
    have the right size pop rivet and might do that also.

    Today I finally got the first piece of the timing cover on. I'm hopeful, but not completely confident
    that I can make the oil pan seal where I had to pull it loose back about 2 inches. I cleaned and
    cleaned at least 15-20 times using a scraper and pushing it back into the joint on the oil pan rail.
    Then I pushed the Black RTV into place.

    Before getting started with applying the RTV, I made sure I had every bolt and every tool needed
    to complete the task. Didn't want any delay while I looked for something. Made sure that I had RTV
    in the corner where the pan and timing cover come together.

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  2. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    as usual I love the picture detail & quality, could you post a link to purchase a duplicate too the two piece timing cover you posted in the pictures?
    In my experience, the black rtv works ok,
    but the high heat gray or copper gasket sealant has always worked a bit better
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    I prefer this for most of the jobs where silicone type gasket sealants get used like intake gaskets and valve cover gaskets

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    http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/sealants-and-threads.805/#post-71928
     
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  3. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

  4. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Keep going Rick.

    All the guys at work Like Black RTV.

    I keep a Tube of Ultra Grey RTV in my Toolbox.

    At Home I pretty much use The High Temp Ultra Copper Exclusive now.
    Really like.
    Grumpy turned me onto it 2 years back.
    The Glob of Ultra Copper I put on the trash garbage can lid 2 years ago is still there.
    100 F down to -25 F temps. Rained on. Never came off.
    Can not pull it off either.
     
  5. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Seems to a Drag Racer Thing too.
    No one likes the Copper Orange Color but Grumpy & Me.
     
  6. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

    https://www.permatex.com/products/g...m-oil-resistance-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-4/
    [​IMG]Notice that this new one says MAXIMUM OIL RESISTANCE.

    Here is their OPTIMUM formula https://www.permatex.com/products/g...t-makers/permatex-optimum-black-gasket-maker/
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    Specially formulated for high flexibility and maximum oil resistance.

    • High Flex: assemblies where dissimilar metals meet
    • Maximum Oil Resistance
    • Temp. Range: -65°F to 500°F
    • Sensor-safe, Low Odor, Non-corrosive
    • Extra Nozzle
    OPTIMUM BLACK combines maximum oil resistance with high flexibility. Today, we see components changing and unlike materials meeting (plastic/steel, aluminum/steel, etc.), all with different rates of expansion and contraction. In addition, with technology advancing, regulations and requirements tightening, we see thinner metals, fewer fasteners, and wider spread bolt patterns. The strength and flexibility of OPTIMUM BLACK handle the changes and added stresses that exist between today’s lightweight, high performance, and premium component assemblies. It is sensor safe, low odor, and non-corrosive with resistance to oil, shop fluids, and vibration.

    However, Ultra Grey says Outstanding oil resistance and joint movement tolerance. Eight times more flexible than cork/composite gaskets; three times more oil resistant than conventional silicones. Temperature range -65ºF to 500ºF (-54°C to 260°C) intermittent; resists auto and shop fluids and vibration.
    https://www.permatex.com/products/g...igid-high-torque-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-2/

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    But this one https://www.permatex.com/products/g...makers/permatex-ultra-synthetic-gasket-maker/
    [​IMG]says designed specifically for resistance to unique synthetic motor oil chemical properties. Prevents leak paths commonly associated with synthetic motor oils. Recommended for close tolerances and high performance parts. Temperatures up to 500° F Intermittent. Import/Domestic compatible.
    Suggested Applications: Valve covers, oil pans, oil pumps, intake manifold end seals, and timing gear covers.


    I think I will give the Ultra Synthetic a try when I redo my oil pan gasket because I use synthetic oil, and their MAX GEAR OIL RESISTANT formula was the ONLY sealant that ever got my rear differential to seal and stay sealed.

    Whichever you choose Rick, I have my fingers crossed for you for NO LEAKS.
     
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  7. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    truthfully all three work if the surfaces were cleaned and de-greased prior to the sealants application,
    of the sealant you select, so I doubt you,ll have any issues,
    given a choice, Id have selected the high temp copper or as a back-up the high temp gray,
    but like I stated I doubt any of the three would fail to do the job.
    the key is proper surface, prep, de- greasing and cleaning, prior to the sealant application, and not over tightening the bolts.
     
  8. Strictly Attitude

    Strictly Attitude solid fixture here in the forum

    I like torque wrench on all and agree grumpy any of those will work if properly prepped.
     
  9. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    With the new Comp Cams timing cover I needed more clearance around the edge to have the
    needed clearance. I used newspaper as a grid to help me scribe an arc on the right and left sides
    and be symmetrical. A lot of trial and error, but very doable. After that it was just some cutting
    and grinding to get the needed clearance. Some primer, color and clear ..... back in business.

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  10. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer. Staff Member

    Its damn nice to see your both thinking ahead, while observing,and being aware of what your looking at.
    far better that most of the guys I've dealt with over the last five decades.
    and that your able to think up related and functional solutions,
    to the issues you find you are confronted with,
    AND
    YOU GET 500 EXTRA BONUS POINTS,
    FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHY AND POSTING RELATED SKILLS

    engine building is about 75% technology and science and 10% art, and 15% skill gained through experience,over time.
    doing it successfully mandates the person involved, in the process, can accurately observe, think, and recognize problems,
    and if required, stop and think up solutions.

    yes it involves knowing how components are intended to function and accurate precision measurement and access to some specific tools and a skilled well equiped machine shop you can trust, is a mandatory factor and skill set.
    so many guys seem to be under the absurd impression that any and all solutions,
    to any and all problems,
    invariably involve, throwing away some component,
    and installing some new out of the box part,
    instead of acting logically and actually measuring,
    thinking and potentially custom clearancing or at least reading the instructions,
    and as most experienced engine builders will tell you ,
    almost nothing you can buy fits and functions correctly in out-of-the-box, condition
    ,too near its true potential.after its ,
    carefully, inspected, and correctly clearanced, and fitted.
     
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  11. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Wow ..... will that get me a 2 week vacation on a private island ???
     
  12. Strictly Attitude

    Strictly Attitude solid fixture here in the forum

    No but grumpy will probably post some eye candy on an island for you
     
  13. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Well hell, just have to take what I can get then !!!

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  14. JohnHancock

    JohnHancock Well-Known Member

    There is something alive under her shirt!
     
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  15. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    And it could be deadly for some of us OLD FOLKS !

    AND it's coming for you in your dreams !!! I can speak from experience (just last night), that's the best place. If you
    are lucky, then the dream might last a couple of hours, beats the hell out of reality of 30-60 seconds !!!

    Ok, it's time to shut that wiggle things down. If you didn't get to see, there is always hope for the future when I bring
    it back.
     
  16. Loves302Chevy

    Loves302Chevy "One test is worth a thousand expert opinions."

    NO. Use it to buy some better tools to fabricate with.......... welder, grinders, sanders, milling/drilling machine, etc.
    You are doing fine with what you have, but some jobs would be so much easier with the proper equipment.
     
  17. Maniacmechanic1

    Maniacmechanic1 solid fixture here in the forum

    Spring is about here.
    Horn dogs.
     
  18. JohnHancock

    JohnHancock Well-Known Member

    You are a mean man Rick! I was going back for more! Lol
     
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  19. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    .
    You just can't get good help anymore, she wouldn't crawl under the car
    and clean that rug!

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  20. Indycars

    Indycars Administrator Staff Member

    Rivets and JB Weld, no screws now!

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