many locality's forbid or limit access to pistols,
rifles tend to punch thru even most outer walls, and can endanger neighbors,
but a properly loaded shotgun, loaded with buck shot is usually legal too use in home defense too fight home invaders, and for personal protection, Id strongly suggest use of a shoulder stock and at least a 5 shell magazine capacity
a high quality shotgun is immensely effective,
in skilled hands, against human aggressors,
at ranges under 30 yards,
YOUR first step is in reading and fully understanding YOUR STATES LAWS
and
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS AND THE LAWS LIMITATIONS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INoJlULbXik
http://www.husseinandwebber.com/case-work/criminal-defense-articles/self-defense-florida/
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html
http://www.kirkpinkerton.com/self-defense-others-florida/
http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/o...analysis-of-florida-new-self-defense-law.html
the next step is understanding you need to learn how to effectively use ,your weapon of choice,
and that requires practice on a regular basis,a shotgun is NOT a spray and PRAY you hit something weapon system,
you have to aim directly at the target,
buckshot groups tend to expand by about 1" in diameter per yard in distance,too the target,
for an open choke gun, a bit less for a full choke barrel.
ideally your choice in shotguns should be equipped with a full length magazine tube and a 18"-22" barrel,
anything much longer tends to restrict movement in confined areas.
you need a good alarm system and sturdy door locks that will restrict rapid access into your home
the third step is realizing it won,t do any good too own a firearm and keep it locked up, so it must be easily accessed by the owner,
but not by un-authorized people, so if you get a pistol get a carry permit and keep it with you!
or at least easily accessed.
if you get a riot gun Id suggest a higher quality 12 ga semi auto or pump action.
keep in mind a shotgun properly loaded is a devastating,
but very range limited weapon, best used at under 40 feet.
no home invasion type threat or opponent,
will give you time to unlock a safe, too gain access to your firearm, if they can avoid it.
Ive shot dozens of the police combat training courses, something too keep in mind when you take the course with a sub-machine gun, youll generally have a 30 round magazine
most guys use a 5-7 round burst , and string the impacts , that 4-5 targets at most per magazine.
a shotgun in trained experienced hands placed 9-12 00 buck centered on the target with each shot and you can think of each shot as a single machine gun burst.in a home youll rarely exceed 30 feet to a intruder
you can load individual shells or with practice doubles on the run, with practice and never have the gun unloaded.
with most ammo and guns, buckshot is a 35 yard proposition slugs extend the useful range to over 140 yards if youve got a decent gun and experience, with quality ammo on a man size target
remember even if your totally justified in shooting an intruder,
it is extremely likely that it is going to cost you a great deal of time and money for lawyers in most locations too PROVE THAT!,
but IF your justified, the choice is to spend the time and money after the shooting or possibly DIE or loose family members,
if you don,t shoot!
a nut case burglar,/home invader,who knows your home but still forces his way into your home,may not hesitate to kill you or family members.
be aware any weapon that will be an effective man stopper will penetrate walls and put people beyond the wall at risk, so keep that in mind
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls/
long experience has shown that for ranges under about 60 feet the properly loaded shotgun is an amazingly effective anti-personnel weapon. think about it for a second, many guys carry a 9mm pistol, the military currently issues 9mm pistols, that throw a .35 caliber projectile between 115-124 grains at about 1100 fps, this is well proven to be deadly with a well placed hit on an adversary.
BUCKSHOT IS DEVASTATING AT 2-15 YARDS,
(ALMOST ALL HOME DEFENSE SHOOTINGS ARE IN THAT RANGE)
But PAST THAT LIMITED RANGE,
IT RAPIDLY LOST EFFECTIVENESS
most of us ,(thankfully) will never get forced too shoot home invaders threatening our families
but many hunt!
notice that even a slug at close range is not instantly fatal
100% of the time on deer , especially at ranges exceeding 35 yards
a accurately placed slug is far better than buckshot if you know anatomy
many guys opt for the smaller easier to carry 380 autos that throw a 90 grain projectile at about 970fps.
both of those pistols pale in power levels to a common 12 ga shotguns load of (12), 54 grain, 33 caliber balls, "00-buckshot" at 1290fps .
anything smaller than #4 buck is very unlikely to have adequate penetration under ALL conditions, in fact "1 buck is commonly used.( but at close range, like under 20 feet like in most rooms in homes, its devastating) your better off sticking to the three larger common sizes for anti personnel work, double ought or 00 buck is the standard defensive load most guys use and its a good choice but it will penetrate interior walls easily
many guys worry about excessive recoil on a 12 ga, my advise is to practice more until your familiar with the gun, and remember your rarely, if ever going to actually shoot a low life invading your home, the simple presence of a shotgun pointing at the creep invading your home should make them instantly flee the location, and if you do, shoot, a single well aimed shot to the upper frontal chest area, should suffice, (you don,t want to shoot a fleeing idiot in the back!, as hes no longer a serious threat if hes running away )
00 buck shot is the traditional man stopper load but inside a home where you may want to limit penetration into other rooms thru light walls #4 bucks a better choice,
its still deadly at across the average room distances with upper chest hits,
but a bit less likely to zip thru several walls and hit other family members
youll find this interesting
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm
Swaged Lead Buckshot: Nominal* size & weight.
No. 000 Buck, .350" 65 Gr.
No. 00 Buck, .330" 54 Gr.
No. 0 Buck, .320" 48 Gr.
No. 1 Buck, .300" 40 Gr.
No. 2 Buck, .270" 29 Gr.
No. 3 Buck, .250" 23 Gr.
No. 4 Buck, .240" 20 Gr.
This profile is of the wound created by a 12ga. 27 pellet #4 buck at 1350 f/s. Penetration depth of the deepest single pellet is only 10.6" with the majority between 6" and 10", which corresponds to the known performance of #4 buck--in other word erratic. #1, 00, or 000 buck are a much better choices giving penetrations of about 13", 14" and 15" respectively for standard lead buckshot. While I don't have any profiles available, reports I have received from testers indicate that the use of hardened and/or plated buckshot can provide about a 10-15 percent increase in penetration due to the lack of pellet deformation with the harder pellets
this is almost the standard load for most shotguns used for defense, , obviously you've got the option to use heavy bird-shot or smaller buckshot sizes, but if your going to shoot a guy whose just invaded your home you don,t want him able to keep fighting after being hit or telling the authority some B.S. reason why he kicked in your door or crawled through your window, or picked your door lock in the middle of the night.
you better be 100% justified in any use of deadly force BEFORE squeezing the trigger but you don,t was a discussion group and lawyers on his side if you do get forced into defending your home
each type of shotgun has advantages and disadvantages in length, ease of aiming, number of shots and speed of follow up shots if required. you can,t SPRAY AND PRAY and expect to hit consistently, a shotgun pattern will normally spread out about 1" per yard traveled so across an average homes 10-30 ft ranges between the home owner and defender, and some home invader whos just kicked in your door, your looking at a maximum pattern size of UNDER 10"-12" in diameter.
shotguns like this pistol grip version are short , and easy to hide but most guys under stress can,t hit anything accurately much past bayonet ranges
a decent riot gun, with a 7-9 shot capacity, is a good choice, but it requires both hands to reload and aim effectively, which in most cases will not be a problem, but if your wounded it may be? something to think about, and one reason the semi autos are gaining popularity over pump action riot guns.
IF you need a home defense shotgun , Id suggest you get a benelli m1 new or used in good condition, add a mag extension to match barrel length,
and buy a case of federal , winchester,or hornady full velocity 00 12 ga buckshot,
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produ...-defense-full-power-8-pellet-00-buckshot-ammo
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/ammunition/shotgun-ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104567580/herter-s-reg-defense-shotshells/1555113.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/shotgun-ammunition/_/N-1100191+4294388401+4294751475/Ne-4294388401?WTz_st=GuidedNav&WTz_stype=GNU
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/ammunition/shotgun-ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104567580/winchester-174-military-grade-buckshot/706133.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/shotgun-ammunition/winchester/_/N-1100191+1000005171+4294388401+4294751475/Ne-1000005171?WTz_st=GuidedNav&WTz_stype=GNU
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produ...ornady-zombie-max-2-34-8-pellet-00-zshot-ammo
personally I would avoid buying a Mossberg as I've owned several and all of them eventually broke parts, the remington, ithaca and H&K shot guns are all operating flawlessly
your very likely too, die of old age,
long before a properly maintained, well lubricated, benelli M1, shotgun,
loaded with good factory ammo jams , breaks parts,or miss feeds, if your keeping it around your home for security
the semi-autos carry 5-8 shells and fire and aim, easily with practice, providing the user with both impressive firepower and excellent accuracy, but may jam if not held firmly as most require some resistance to recoil to function properly
this double barrel is short,handy dependable and 100% reliable if kept in good repair and maintained, but only carry's two shells, (not that your likely to need more but its something that you need to think about
thats one good example of why I taught the wife how to use a 12 ga riot gun loaded with #4 buck if shes seriously threatened in the home
and why we have redundant alarms, several key chain panic buttons, better locks and cell phones
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobi ... 7/redirect
a single application of #4 or -#1 or the popular 00 buck, to the intruders face/neck at short range cures that issue also, a skilled or even semi skilled person with a good effective shot gun like the one pictured above can do an enormous amount of damage to even several intruders at short (under 50 feet) distances
you get more projectiles . more potential damage but less penetration as the size of shot gets smaller, #4 will provide massive damage at ranges under 50 feet, 00 will extend the range to 40 yards, which is UN-necessary in home defense use in most cases
GOOGLE "pictures of shotgun wounds"
worth reading
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defen ... /index.htm
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
watch the videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRdd21br ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7iIQO2Y ... re=related
rifles tend to punch thru even most outer walls, and can endanger neighbors,
but a properly loaded shotgun, loaded with buck shot is usually legal too use in home defense too fight home invaders, and for personal protection, Id strongly suggest use of a shoulder stock and at least a 5 shell magazine capacity
a high quality shotgun is immensely effective,
in skilled hands, against human aggressors,
at ranges under 30 yards,
YOUR first step is in reading and fully understanding YOUR STATES LAWS
and
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS AND THE LAWS LIMITATIONS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INoJlULbXik
http://www.husseinandwebber.com/case-work/criminal-defense-articles/self-defense-florida/
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html
http://www.kirkpinkerton.com/self-defense-others-florida/
http://www.floridafirearmslaw.com/o...analysis-of-florida-new-self-defense-law.html
the next step is understanding you need to learn how to effectively use ,your weapon of choice,
and that requires practice on a regular basis,a shotgun is NOT a spray and PRAY you hit something weapon system,
you have to aim directly at the target,
buckshot groups tend to expand by about 1" in diameter per yard in distance,too the target,
for an open choke gun, a bit less for a full choke barrel.
ideally your choice in shotguns should be equipped with a full length magazine tube and a 18"-22" barrel,
anything much longer tends to restrict movement in confined areas.
you need a good alarm system and sturdy door locks that will restrict rapid access into your home
the third step is realizing it won,t do any good too own a firearm and keep it locked up, so it must be easily accessed by the owner,
but not by un-authorized people, so if you get a pistol get a carry permit and keep it with you!
or at least easily accessed.
if you get a riot gun Id suggest a higher quality 12 ga semi auto or pump action.
keep in mind a shotgun properly loaded is a devastating,
but very range limited weapon, best used at under 40 feet.
no home invasion type threat or opponent,
will give you time to unlock a safe, too gain access to your firearm, if they can avoid it.
Ive shot dozens of the police combat training courses, something too keep in mind when you take the course with a sub-machine gun, youll generally have a 30 round magazine
most guys use a 5-7 round burst , and string the impacts , that 4-5 targets at most per magazine.
a shotgun in trained experienced hands placed 9-12 00 buck centered on the target with each shot and you can think of each shot as a single machine gun burst.in a home youll rarely exceed 30 feet to a intruder
you can load individual shells or with practice doubles on the run, with practice and never have the gun unloaded.
with most ammo and guns, buckshot is a 35 yard proposition slugs extend the useful range to over 140 yards if youve got a decent gun and experience, with quality ammo on a man size target
remember even if your totally justified in shooting an intruder,
it is extremely likely that it is going to cost you a great deal of time and money for lawyers in most locations too PROVE THAT!,
but IF your justified, the choice is to spend the time and money after the shooting or possibly DIE or loose family members,
if you don,t shoot!
a nut case burglar,/home invader,who knows your home but still forces his way into your home,may not hesitate to kill you or family members.
be aware any weapon that will be an effective man stopper will penetrate walls and put people beyond the wall at risk, so keep that in mind
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls/
long experience has shown that for ranges under about 60 feet the properly loaded shotgun is an amazingly effective anti-personnel weapon. think about it for a second, many guys carry a 9mm pistol, the military currently issues 9mm pistols, that throw a .35 caliber projectile between 115-124 grains at about 1100 fps, this is well proven to be deadly with a well placed hit on an adversary.
BUCKSHOT IS DEVASTATING AT 2-15 YARDS,
(ALMOST ALL HOME DEFENSE SHOOTINGS ARE IN THAT RANGE)
But PAST THAT LIMITED RANGE,
IT RAPIDLY LOST EFFECTIVENESS
most of us ,(thankfully) will never get forced too shoot home invaders threatening our families
but many hunt!
notice that even a slug at close range is not instantly fatal
100% of the time on deer , especially at ranges exceeding 35 yards
a accurately placed slug is far better than buckshot if you know anatomy
many guys opt for the smaller easier to carry 380 autos that throw a 90 grain projectile at about 970fps.
both of those pistols pale in power levels to a common 12 ga shotguns load of (12), 54 grain, 33 caliber balls, "00-buckshot" at 1290fps .
anything smaller than #4 buck is very unlikely to have adequate penetration under ALL conditions, in fact "1 buck is commonly used.( but at close range, like under 20 feet like in most rooms in homes, its devastating) your better off sticking to the three larger common sizes for anti personnel work, double ought or 00 buck is the standard defensive load most guys use and its a good choice but it will penetrate interior walls easily
many guys worry about excessive recoil on a 12 ga, my advise is to practice more until your familiar with the gun, and remember your rarely, if ever going to actually shoot a low life invading your home, the simple presence of a shotgun pointing at the creep invading your home should make them instantly flee the location, and if you do, shoot, a single well aimed shot to the upper frontal chest area, should suffice, (you don,t want to shoot a fleeing idiot in the back!, as hes no longer a serious threat if hes running away )
00 buck shot is the traditional man stopper load but inside a home where you may want to limit penetration into other rooms thru light walls #4 bucks a better choice,
its still deadly at across the average room distances with upper chest hits,
but a bit less likely to zip thru several walls and hit other family members
youll find this interesting
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm
Swaged Lead Buckshot: Nominal* size & weight.
No. 000 Buck, .350" 65 Gr.
No. 00 Buck, .330" 54 Gr.
No. 0 Buck, .320" 48 Gr.
No. 1 Buck, .300" 40 Gr.
No. 2 Buck, .270" 29 Gr.
No. 3 Buck, .250" 23 Gr.
No. 4 Buck, .240" 20 Gr.
This profile is of the wound created by a 12ga. 27 pellet #4 buck at 1350 f/s. Penetration depth of the deepest single pellet is only 10.6" with the majority between 6" and 10", which corresponds to the known performance of #4 buck--in other word erratic. #1, 00, or 000 buck are a much better choices giving penetrations of about 13", 14" and 15" respectively for standard lead buckshot. While I don't have any profiles available, reports I have received from testers indicate that the use of hardened and/or plated buckshot can provide about a 10-15 percent increase in penetration due to the lack of pellet deformation with the harder pellets
this is almost the standard load for most shotguns used for defense, , obviously you've got the option to use heavy bird-shot or smaller buckshot sizes, but if your going to shoot a guy whose just invaded your home you don,t want him able to keep fighting after being hit or telling the authority some B.S. reason why he kicked in your door or crawled through your window, or picked your door lock in the middle of the night.
you better be 100% justified in any use of deadly force BEFORE squeezing the trigger but you don,t was a discussion group and lawyers on his side if you do get forced into defending your home
each type of shotgun has advantages and disadvantages in length, ease of aiming, number of shots and speed of follow up shots if required. you can,t SPRAY AND PRAY and expect to hit consistently, a shotgun pattern will normally spread out about 1" per yard traveled so across an average homes 10-30 ft ranges between the home owner and defender, and some home invader whos just kicked in your door, your looking at a maximum pattern size of UNDER 10"-12" in diameter.
shotguns like this pistol grip version are short , and easy to hide but most guys under stress can,t hit anything accurately much past bayonet ranges
a decent riot gun, with a 7-9 shot capacity, is a good choice, but it requires both hands to reload and aim effectively, which in most cases will not be a problem, but if your wounded it may be? something to think about, and one reason the semi autos are gaining popularity over pump action riot guns.
IF you need a home defense shotgun , Id suggest you get a benelli m1 new or used in good condition, add a mag extension to match barrel length,
and buy a case of federal , winchester,or hornady full velocity 00 12 ga buckshot,
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produ...-defense-full-power-8-pellet-00-buckshot-ammo
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/ammunition/shotgun-ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104567580/herter-s-reg-defense-shotshells/1555113.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/shotgun-ammunition/_/N-1100191+4294388401+4294751475/Ne-4294388401?WTz_st=GuidedNav&WTz_stype=GNU
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/ammunition/shotgun-ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104567580/winchester-174-military-grade-buckshot/706133.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/shotgun-ammunition/winchester/_/N-1100191+1000005171+4294388401+4294751475/Ne-1000005171?WTz_st=GuidedNav&WTz_stype=GNU
http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/produ...ornady-zombie-max-2-34-8-pellet-00-zshot-ammo
personally I would avoid buying a Mossberg as I've owned several and all of them eventually broke parts, the remington, ithaca and H&K shot guns are all operating flawlessly
your very likely too, die of old age,
long before a properly maintained, well lubricated, benelli M1, shotgun,
loaded with good factory ammo jams , breaks parts,or miss feeds, if your keeping it around your home for security
the semi-autos carry 5-8 shells and fire and aim, easily with practice, providing the user with both impressive firepower and excellent accuracy, but may jam if not held firmly as most require some resistance to recoil to function properly
this double barrel is short,handy dependable and 100% reliable if kept in good repair and maintained, but only carry's two shells, (not that your likely to need more but its something that you need to think about
thats one good example of why I taught the wife how to use a 12 ga riot gun loaded with #4 buck if shes seriously threatened in the home
and why we have redundant alarms, several key chain panic buttons, better locks and cell phones
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobi ... 7/redirect
a single application of #4 or -#1 or the popular 00 buck, to the intruders face/neck at short range cures that issue also, a skilled or even semi skilled person with a good effective shot gun like the one pictured above can do an enormous amount of damage to even several intruders at short (under 50 feet) distances
you get more projectiles . more potential damage but less penetration as the size of shot gets smaller, #4 will provide massive damage at ranges under 50 feet, 00 will extend the range to 40 yards, which is UN-necessary in home defense use in most cases
GOOGLE "pictures of shotgun wounds"
worth reading
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defen ... /index.htm
http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
watch the videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRdd21br ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7iIQO2Y ... re=related
Last edited by a moderator: