tracking down an electrical drain

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one of the more common problems I see in older muscle cars and corvettes is that, many of the guys that own those cars, have the cars used rather intermittently or only on weekends, not as daily transportation, and as a result when they do go to use the car the battery's dead.
this is almost always a case where your forced to track down the source of the electrical drain issue by isolating the individual circuits by pulling fuses and testing each individual circuit,with a multi-meter. and Id sure pull trouble codes and get out the correct shop manual as they can be very useful in tracking down an electrical drain.
if you use a trickle charger verify its functioning with the multi meter before you start, both the battery and the trickle charger can be defective and just because the trickle charger has an LED light that works is no indication it actually works correctly, and battery's do wear out or become defective, so don,t jump to the conclusion your cars got a problem until you verify everything , battery don,t fully recover from repeated full discharged condition, so yes you need a trickle charger on a seldom used car.
leaving your interior lights or head lights on will kill the battery in as little as a few hours, thats not a fault in anything but the guy operating the car, but if you find the car battery dead and you didn,t cause the problem by neglecting the cause, you can track it down and isolate the offending electrical drain.
now if you don,t use a battery minder or charger its totally understandable, if you leave the car for several weeks between brief trips, that the battery will go dead, simply because the car never gets the battery fully charged. this is a fairly common complaint, obviously you'll want to locate the battery drain source,if this happens frequently or in only a few days time. and thats best done with the correct meter and pulling fuses until you locate the defective circuit, thats causing the electrical drain.
obviously you want to verify the battery takes a full charge and the alternator functions correctly and your battery connections and electrical grounds are good during the process.
a logical step by step approach will lead you to the problem, youll be amazed at what youll learn reading links. use of a shop manual and multi meter can be very helpful
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Chevrolet Corvette (1995 – 1996) – fuse box diagram
Year of production: 1995, 1996

Instrument panel fuse block
The interior fuse center is on the right side of your instrument panel. Turn the knob and pull the door to access the fuses.

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you really need to purchase a multi meter and a SHOP MANUAL and look thru the schematics
without testing theres almost no way to locate the source of your problem,, testing will tell you

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I really hate to bring this up, but when ANYONE purchases "a new to them" corvette, its almost MANDATORY
your forced to purchase a factory shop manual for your exact year corvette .
in either book form or the CD you can download each page from.
its very common to have electrical issues with c4 corvettes your dealing with a car thats over 35 years old and that probably spend decades exposed to moist air , rain, snow etc, like most of us you'll be forced to test and replace electrical connectors , bulbs, grounds fuses and fuse pannels etc.
ID also replace any suspect light sockets and bulbs

and of course a multi meter, with test leads that are designed to pierce insulation, without permanently damaging wires
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tracking down an electrical drain

one of the more common problems I see in older muscle cars and corvettes is that, many of the guys that own those cars, have the cars used rather intermittently or only on weekends, not as daily transportation, and as a result when they do go to use the car the battery's dead. this is almost...
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Chevrolet Corvette – fuse box – instrument panel
Fuses Usage
1 Heater, A/C Programmer
2 Brake-Transmission Shift Interlock
3 Windshield WiperNasher Switch Assembly
4 Radio Receiver (Ignition)
5 Heated Mirrors, Heater and A/C Control Head, Heater and A/C Programmer
6 Light Switch, Daytime Running Lamps Module
7 Horn Relay
8 Hazard Flashers, Brake Switch
9 Crank-Air Bag
10 Crank-Park/Neutral Switch (Automatic), Clutch Switch (Manual)
11 RH Illumination
12 LH Illumination
13 Console Illumination
14 Fuel Pump 1
15 Automatic Transmission
16 Central Control Module, Daytime Running Lamps Module
17 Generator
18 A/C .Compressor Clutch, Heater and A/C Control Head, Heater and A/C Programmer, Rev Defog Relay
19 Accessory Plug
20 Heated Oxygen Sensors
21 Real Time Damping Module, ABS Module, HVAC Solenoid Assembly
22 Injectors #1,4,6,7
23 Injectors #2,3,5, 8
24 Turn Signal Flashers
25 Ignition Coil and Ignition Coil Module
26 Passive Keyless Entry Module
27 Instrument Cluster, Driver Information Center, Air Bag System
28 Back-up Lamps Switch, Transmission Position Switch, One to Four Shift Solenoid
29 Cooling Fan Relay Coil #1 , 2,3
30 Canister Purge Solenoid, EGR Circuit (LTl), Mass Airflow Sensor, One to Four Shift Relay, Brake Switch (Automatic), Air Pump Relay
31 Power Mirror Adjuster Control, Lighted Rearview Mirror, Visor Vanity Mirrors
32 Cruise Control Engage Switch, Daytime Running Lamps Module, Low Tire Pressure Warning Module, Cruise Control Cut-off Relay
33 Engine Control Module
34 Air Bag System
35 Central Control Module
36 Footwell Courtesy Lamps, Door Courtesy Lamps, Glove Compartment Lamps, Lighted Rearview Mirror
37 Bose Amplifier Relay, Power Antenna Relay, Cargo Compartment Lamps
38 Instrument Cluster, Tone Generator, Dome Lamp Relay
39 Central Control Module
40 Radio Receiver (Battery), Radio Control Head, Passive Keyless Entry Module
41 Sport Seats
42 Power Door Lock Switches, Driver Information Center, Passive Keyless Entry Module
43 Heater and A/C Programme
44 Cigarette Lighter, Accessory Plug
45 Hatch or Deck Lid Release Relay
K Power Seats
L Blank
M Power Window
N Blank
P Blank
Engine compartment fuse block
There are two maxi-fuse blocks in the engine compartment. One is part of the forward lamp wiring harness and the other is part of the ECM-engine wiring harness.

Forward Lamp Fuse Block

Chevrolet Corvette – fuse box – forward lamp fuse block
Fuse Usage
1 Interior Lighting
2 Primary Cooling Fan
3 LH Headlamp Motor
4 RH Headlamp Motor
5 Secondary Cooling Fan
6 Exterior Lighting
7 Power Accessory (Power Locks, Hatch, Lighter, Seats)
8 Air Pump


ECM Engine Fuse Block

Chevrolet Corvette – fuse box – ECM engine fuse block
Fuse Usage
1 Engine Control Module
2 Fuel Pump
3 Anti-Lock Brakes, Acceleration Slip Regulation System
4 A/C Blower
5 Rear Defogger
6 Ignition
7 Ignition
8 Brake Hydraulics
WARNING: Terminal and harness assignments for individual connectors will vary depending on vehicle equipment level, model, and market.



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But heres a few tips.
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having an amp draw meter can be quite useful at times, knowing how to use it obviously helps also,
SO READ THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT COME WITH IT AND FOLLOW THEM
the amp draw meter can be used to measure the current flow and as you disconnect fuses you can isolate the source of the current drain
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having a wire roll caddy , thats easy to access or fabricating one for working around the cars helpful
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for those reading through the thread, Ill point out, that having heavy gauge COPPER battery and ground connection cables with the correct ends, and a 140 amp-to-200 amp alternator goes a long way towards
reducing potential battery and starter related issues
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]having a wide assortment of different multi meter test leads available is a huge benefit while testing
the clip test leads that test thru a wires insulation without much damage are a big help
SENSOR LOCATION INFO


Sensor Locations
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if your car sits for days at a time you need a trickle charger
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I bought 4 for $5 each when they were on sale a few years ago, two still work fine and two crapped out , and stopped working in that time.
still at the price no real complaints

(1)If the cars fairly modern and you have the option pull trouble codes.

(2) if you don,t have a shop manual GET ONE, your working at a disadvantage without one!

(3) youll need a multi meter and it sure helps if you fabricate a 12 volt buzzer with about 8 ft long leads and alligator clip ends

(4) obviously youll want to know where the cars fuse block is located (SHOP MANUAL HELPS)
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Youll generally want to start by disconnect the neg battery cable and connect the 8 foot long test leads you fabricated on the 12 volt DCV voltage buzzer with the alligator clips between the battery and the disconnected cable, the buzzer well start buzzing, thats normal, now go to the fuze panel and remove one fuze at a time and listen to the buzzer (the reason it has 8 foot long leads is that you can keep in near you), when you remove a fuse that controls a circuit where current flows you will notice either a slight reduction in buzzer volume or the buzzer will stop,buzzing until the fuze is replaced.
Id also strongly suggest you don,t touch the ignition key for two reasons, first if you try to start the car with the battery cable disconnected and the buzzer in place the buzzer will almost instantly burn up, a good quality 12 volt 10-20 amp DC buzzer to test with is usually very useful and secondly, your battery drain occurs while the ignitions off so turning it on changes the circuits that are energized and gives you bad info[/color]
Once the offending circuits located get out the shop manual and find and fix the problems source

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having a good set of needle nose pliers helps here!
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Most alternators fail when they can,t keep the battery charged , most defective battery's fail to maintain 12-13 volts or retain a charge, usually reading less than 12 volts or drop off very rapidly under load, If your getting over 15 volts at the battery Id suggest retesting, the first step would be to remove the fan belt temporarily for a short duration test, and start the engine with the MULTI meter to see what the battery is actually doing under load VS what the alternator is producing.

if the battery stays under 14 volts and only reads higher than 15 volt with the alternator connected its more than likely the alternators internal voltage regulator is defective, its also a good idea to have more than a single multi meter to confirm voltage or resistance readings, if they seem really odd.
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heres a cheap yet effective multi meter
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Ive purchased several 200 amp alternators from the guys at DB ELECTRIC for friends and my 1985 corvette, and for my 1996 vette at summit
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you need this info
DOWN-LOAD AND PRINT IT OUT!
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all the answers are readily available, theres known testing procedures and listed test results you can expect, and procedures listed in the shop manual for isolating and testing components, you don,t need to be a genius, you just need to be logical and persistent and not afraid to learn new things while getting your hands dirty at times, don,t get overwhelmed , break everything down too easy individual problems and tests, verify and test all the sensors,and test for factors like consistent fuel pressure, known temps,expected voltage or ohms resistance, and vacuum readings and don,t randomly start replacing parts as that gets expensive and its rarely the most efficient way to eliminate problems(unless you get really lucky) with modern computer diagnostic software you,ll have some advantages but think logically, most automotive problems still concern, loose electrical connectors, defective sensors, lack of compression, fuel delivery issues ,fuel pressure, vacuum, temperature or electrical issues.
get a multi meter and test leads, read the links and ideally get a trouble code scanner
youll need a MULTI METER
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and Ive also had several minor NON_RELATED electrical issues with alternators and electrical drains that they were very helpful in diagnosing, the main thing youll want to do is install a new direct connection, 4 gauge power lead from the new alternator to the batter positive terminal.
youll very likely find that your engine runs cooler and your fans run much more efficiently once they can get all the current they want, youll also find the ignition spark is much brighter if you get the same results Ive seen every time.
Youll also want to make very sure your electrical grounds are solid and think thru your ignition instal, most MSD control boxes fail due to heat or moisture, mounting them in a reasonably cool dry location helps and that ELIMINATES inside the engine compartment,mounting the controller in the upper most possible location in pass side foot well as far up under the dash as you can mount it is a frequently suggested and used location


RELATED THREADS, don,t forget too check for defective sensors and relays and grounds




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http://www.electronics-cooling.com/...s-in-automotive-alternator-power-electronics/



TESTING AN MSD IGNITION


I make this info stuff easy to find


RELATED THREADS, and as always theres a ton of related info there that if you skip reading youll find it takes you longer to locate your problem
 
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Bobs car recently started draining the battery over night,he asked me to help isolate the problem. a few minutes testing by pulling fuses, to locate the defective circuit , while having a multi meter and amp draw meter,to check current flow soon isolated the problem to the interior light circuit, further inspection showed a defective door contact which was the cause but without the skills to think it thru and isolate the source and the tools (MULTI METER, and SHOP MANUAL showing the circuit and fuse numbers etc. ) that could have been a huge P.I.T.A. to locate! you don,t always need a AMP DRAW METER a GOOD QUALITY 12VOLT 10 AMP rated BUZZER will change tone noticeably if you connect it between the battery pos (+) and BATTERY POS(+) cable you temporarily disconnect for test purposes
in some cases BAD DIODES in an ignition ,or a voltage regulator or alternator can cause a voltage drain, that kills a battery over night or over only a couple days so be aware thats one potential source , that it might not be a shorted , or grounded wire issue
I learned decades ago to swap to a 140 amp-200 amp alternator,
as the stock 75-105 amp alternators on muscle cars and earlier corvettes are marginal at best/
if you shop carefully they can usually be found locally at some alternator re-builders for under $150
both my corvettes have 200 amp versions purchased NEW for under $250
while that may be over-kill to some I find the electric fans on the corvette and ignition and head lights work noticeably better

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the threads have links youll need

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-auto-elecrtrical-connectors.3105/#post-68805

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...trical-wiring-for-a-tbucket.10038/#post-39056

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...vious-owner-butchered-wiring.3439/#post-19529

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/lots-of-wiring-info-diagrams.317/#post-84479

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/testing-an-alternator.3222/#post-46703

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http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...r-auto-elecrtrical-connectors.3090/#post-8220

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/heat-shrink-tubing.1443/#post-28050


Typical Current Loads for Automotive Systems, Lighting and Accessories:
Engine Idling (no lights or accessories on) - 35 to 50 amps. This will vary depending on the number of cylinders (more cylinders draw more power for the fuel injectors and coils), the type of fuel injectors (some draw higher amp loads than others), the type of ignition system (single coil or multi-coil), the amp draw of the PCM, and the fuel pump (the amp draw will be higher with higher pressure systems).

Engine Off (nothing on) - 40 to 50 milliamps (power drain by modules in sleep mode, antitheft system and keyless entry)

Ignition Coil (single oil-filled coil older vehicle) - 3 to 4 amps.

Ignition Coil (single DIS coil newer vehicle) - 5 to 6 amps.

Ignition Coil (coil-on-plug) - 6 amps per coil.

Ignition System (primary circuit) - 6 to 20 amps.

Fuel Injectors - 4 to 6 amps peak, 1 amp hold

Electric Fuel Pump (depends on pressure and flow) - 4 to 12 amps

Electric Cooling Fan (depends on size) - 6 to 30 amps

Headlights (halogen low beam) - 8 to 9 amps per pair

Headlights (halogen high beam) - 9 to 10 amps per pair

Headlights (halogen high and low beams combined) - 17 to 19 amps

Headlights (High Energy Discharge) - 12 to 14 amps during initial start, 7 to 8 amps once bulbs are hot

Headlights (LED) - 0.6 to 1 amps per bulb

Small bulbs (incandescent) - 0.3 to 0.4 amps per bulb

Small bulbs (LED) - 0.04 to 0.06 amps per bulb

Starter Motor - 200 to 350 amps

500 Watt Sound System - 42 amps

Electric Rear Window Defroster - 10 to 20 amps

Windshield wipers - 2 to 10 amps depending on load

Heated Seats - 3 to 4 amps per seat

Power Windows - 3 amps

Electric Power Steering - 2 to 40 amps depending on load

Air Conditioner Compressor Clutch - 2.5 to 5 amps

Heater A/C blower motor (depends on load, size and speed setting) - 2 to 30 amps



TYPICAL ACCESSORY CURRENT DRAW (AMPS)
Lights
Headlights (high beam) 10-22
Headlights (low beam) 40
Tail Lights 8
Safety
Emergency brake light 4
Emergency flasher 15
Turn signals 10-15
Windshield wipers 6-20
Horn 15
Brake lights 15-20
Running lights 8
Ignition
Winter starting 225-500
Summer starting 100-400
Approx. Avg. 300
Courtesy
Cigarette lighter 15-20
Interior lights 10-15
Instrument panel lights 4
Entertainment
Radio 10
Stereo Tape 10
Electric antenna 20
Comfort
Air conditioner 10
Heater 20-30
Defroster 15-30
Electric seat 20
Electric windows 20-30
TYPICAL ACCESSORY CURRENT DRAW (AMPS)


having a quick easy to use auto voltage test checker helps speed the diagnosis
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as most of us who work on cars know chasing minor electrical glitches is a P.I.T.A. and it helps a good deal to have at least a minimal quality multi meter and test leads, and a scan tool, that can be used to, locate isolate and test THRU insulation on wires, and a tool to pull trouble codes and do minimal programming.
the first thing ID check is the battery cable connections and grounds to the frame and the alternator output at the alternator , then the ohms resisitance in major battery cable connections
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some related threads that should help
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ing-down-an-electrical-drain.8493/#post-37179

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...tting-out-low-voltage.12221/page-2#post-59599

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/testing-an-alternator.3222/#post-46703

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...lternators-and-oil-all-here.12628/#post-64603

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/how-altenators-work.355/#post-62266

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...uys-don-t-look-at-the-clues.11176/#post-50125

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...h-flicker-on-dash-and-radio.13593/#post-70202

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/suspicious-voltage-drop.10718/#post-46927

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