Transporting Limited Amounts Of Fuel, Or Waste Oil

Grumpy

The Grumpy Grease Monkey mechanical engineer.
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I don,t know how many of you gentlemen have shop welder/generators or other lawn mowers or similar equipment that requires you to buy and transport a bit of fuel for thier use, but Ive noticed that finding a well designed structually strong 5 gallon fuel transport container thats rather leak and puncture resistants getting much harder to locate.
ethanol laced fuel has a very limited acceptable storage life expectancy and should NEVER be used in things like generators, lawn mowers chain saws and weed whackers as the ethanol content rapidly corrodes small engine carburator internal parts if left in storage.
most of us "car guys" have one or more "JERRY CANS"

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or the cheaper plastic knock-offs that are vaguely similar
I use
red cans for gas and BLUE for diesel

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neither 5 gallon transport tank design works well in some cases simply because both may leak if not kept in the upright position and in a car trunk they may not allow the trunk lid to close or they may tip over during transport.

having a few bungee cords to stabilize the tank(s) during transport helps

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the newer plastic fuel tanks lack a seperate air vent,they are designed to allow air into the container as fuel is dispensed through the pour spout , this results in a slow and surging fuel flow.
if you were to drill a small air bleed hole of about 1/10" in diam. in the upper surface of the handle area, this helps fuel flow measurably, allowing air in, but its also a potential leak.
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the cheap/simple solution is to use a short 5/16" diam. screw eye , you can purchase for under 70 cents at most hardware stores ,thats easily inserted in that vent hole,you drill with a 1/4" drill to prevent leaks during transport and removed from the vent hole when your pouring fuel.
YES ADDING THAT AIR VENTS MANDATORY
http://pure-gas.org/extensions/map.html

https://gasnearmestation.com/non-ethanol-gas-near-me/

E85 gas station locations

http://e85locator.net/E85locations.html




All gasoline breaks down over time, most gas absorbs moisture from the air to some extent, ethanol laced fuel is especially prone to this moisture absorption.
ethanol is hygroscopic

hy·gro·scop·ic
ˌhīɡrəˈskäpik/
adjective
(of a substance) tending to absorb moisture from the air.
water combined with ethanol is highly corrosive if left in contact with most metals over long time periods
the ability of gasoline to quickly and easily vaporize tends to degrade over time making it significantly less easily ignited as its the vapor not the liquid component of the fuel that burns the most efficiently, normally heat helps rapidly atomize and vaporize the fuel, but as fuel ages the easily vaporized components tend to be lost to evaporation, leaving a less easily ignited and usually DARKER COLORED LIQUID.
mixing the remaining old gas with new fuel will generally help but not cure the issue!
I use STA-BIL marine fuel additive in my lesser used engines, but reading the info on various site the LONGEST listed time frame it seems to work for as designed was about 2 years, if I had gas over 2 years old ID personally drain the tank, add stabil, plus a name brand fuel system cleaner and a fresh fuel filter,add fresh non-alcohol laced fuel, and flush the fuel rail and or car fuel bowls, before using the car or engine,
Id probably use the old fuel I drained to clean parts or ignite a trash pile, yeah you might be able to mix it with fresh fuel and use it but the chances of it having absorbed moisture, separated into various less than ideal for use as a fuel,components while sitting for over two years,or causing issues with the engine that might damage it,would just not be worth the risk in my opinion.
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http://www.goldeagle.com/tips-tools/top ... s-debunked

http://www.sta-bil360.com/how-it-works

there ARE ETHANOL FREE GAS STATIONS LISTED, when you NEED TO FILL A MUSCLE CAR TANK, HERES MY LOCAL STATION, yes it costs more short term, easily an extra 70-80 cents a gallon, but you don,t run nearly the same risk of trashing your muscle cars engine and fuel delivery systems
http://pure-gas.org/extensions/map.html
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http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ng-e85-in-your-old-muscle-car.2141/#post-5780
 
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I ran my lawnmower Sunday on pure 91 octane gas.
Ran 10 times better.
Also rebuilt the entire deck last Friday.
Set the Valves in the Kohler SV620 DODC 22HP verticle shaft engine.
2012 MTD Gold 46" cut Hydro Mower.
Runs like a champ again.
112 hours in 3 years.

Used Royal Purple injection cleaner concentrate.
Seems to work better than Techron Grumpy.
$6.99 per bottle.
Stabilizes ethanol.
 
When I was a kid we used to buy a tank full of gas for $3 at the junk yard. The yards would drain the tanks of the incoming cars into one of those oval steel oil tanks. They had a hand crank and nozzle and we would go when our tanks were near empty. The yards would have external fuel filters and we changed ours more frequently too. That went on for several years and the prices kept going up to the point it really wasn't worth going there anymore. Thankfully we never had any problems.
 
if your a car guy, chances are very good that you own several of the plastic "JERRY CANS ", I know I do,
I purchased jerry cans in red for gas and dark blue for diesel fuel/
if you use these a few things you learn is that the separate yellow spout caps tend to get misplaced and the air vent system sucks,
its a damn shame that it is so difficult to find real JERRY CANS,
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or even good clones for sale at anything close to a decent price



the cheap plasctic inferior copys are trash by comparison
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074RNG1JB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
you can purchase replacement spout caps easily enough on the internet
,but most auto parts stores will not sell the caps separately

the newer plastic fuel tanks lack a separate air vent,
they are designed to allow air into the container as fuel is dispensed through the pour spout, this results in a slow and surging fuel flow.
if you were to drill a small air bleed hole of about 1/10" in diam. in the upper surface of the handle area, this helps fuel flow measurably, allowing air in, but its also a potential leak.
screw_eyes_lag_screw_MED.jpg

the cheap/simple solution is to use a short 5/16" diam. screw eye , you can purchase for under 70 cents at most hardware stores ,thats easily inserted in that vent hole,you drill with a 1/4" drill to prevent leaks during transport and removed from the vent hole when your pouring fuel.
YES ADDING THAT AIR VENTS MANDATORY
 

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just a heads up
if you do oil changes and especially if you own a lift
you find the oil collection container gets full far more often than you might think,
you need a way to safely transport that waste oil to the stores collection site tank,
and many guys don,t own a pick-up truck

https://www.harborfreight.com/5-gal...MIgrqI6Kmv6wIV_f_jBx0xNAXWEAQYASABEgJiTvD_BwE


https://www.harborfreight.com/20-ga...MIs8Cnuayv6wIVgv3jBx1rEAs8EAQYAyABEgLb5fD_BwE

many of us have some type of oil drain pan,
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if you do oil changes many auto parts stores
(but not all) collect used waste oil

I don,t want to contaminate a 5 gallon fuel container with waste oil
so I looked for a different option
but how can you transport that waste oil to the auto parts store?
well having a couple 5 gallon leak free containers that don,t cost a great deal, helps

the container must be small and light enough to place in a car trunk,
and not easily tipped over,
it must be rather spill-proof , yet not leak, and ideally be reuseable

durable air vents for 5 gallon bucket waste oil ,lids
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ZORO-SELECT-6AZC0-1-8-FNPT-Brass-Anchor-Coupling/332211736202
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fire house subs sells 5 gallon buckets for $3
the original bucket lids they come with are certainly not leak-free :rolleyes:


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https://www.firehousesubs.com/find-a-firehouse/



uline sells lids that seal with pour spouts :D
rather reasonably, but you need to buy 5 at $2.25 each
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have a buddy split the cost and thats not a bad deal

after all you only need 2-3 5 gallon buckets to transport waste oil.
IF you want to add an air vent to the lid before you install it on the 5 gallon bucket to make pouring waste oil far faster, a Dorman
Dorman/AutoGrade universal transmission drain plug kit
Price:
$2.99
Part Number: 65241 can be installed on the bucket lid to act as an air vent that won't leak
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Dorman/AutoGrade universal transmission drain plug kit
Price:
$2.99
Part Number: 65241

https://www.uline.com/Product/ProductDetailRootItem?modelnumber=S-9943

https://www.uline.com/Product/Detai...lastic-Pail-Red?model=S-9943R&RootChecked=yes
https://www.uline.com/Product/ProductDetailRootItem?modelnumber=S-9943


or
larger air vents
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0892GZRN...jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==



now if you do enough oil changes to warrant the time and effort its worth it.
and you can fit 2-4 of the 5 gallon buckets used to transport waste oil in an average cars trunk

having a funnel helps you not make a mess
TRACTOR SUPPLY SELLS A 4-quart version,
thats near ideally sized that Ive used for 20 years or more

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/delphos-funnel-6-qt-3958503
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https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/outdoor-power-equipment/funnels/7060460

https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/outdoor-power-equipment/funnels/7060478



 
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Im looking for a thumb screw type of threaded plug in 1/8" npt
ideally something like this pictured above
any ideas gentlemen?:D

I have the surplus oil containers, with vents, but ideally, they should have air vents that have female 1/8" npt threads with easy to remove plugs

yes I can install drain cocks for air vents but Id vastly prefer to use a removable plug type screw

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dorman 61103
about $2.60 each
 
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yes I could rather easily fabricate what I need ,
and most likely will do that...
but I was hoping it was a $1 part someplace.
yes I can install drain cocks for air vents,
as a cheap yet semi effective and easy to locate , local pars substitute
but Id vastly prefer to use a removable plug type screw

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dorman 61103
about $2.60 each
 
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