Tuning a TBucket Dart 400 cuin Engine

over all , the state of tune, is improving noticeably,
always try making each change then noting the result before advancing further.
well looking at the spark plugs,
Id suggest you retard the rate of the ignition advance curve,
slightly so it reaches full advance at a higher rpm and at a slower rate,
maybe test ,backing off the total advance 1-2 degrees

looking at the graph ,
Id suggest testing one size leaner on the secondary jets,
and it looks like from the graph,
you could use a bit longer duration,
and a bit larger accelerator pump fuel volume as the throttle opens
your obviously running a bit rich at times then lean, we need to isolate when the transitions in f/a ratio is
occurring, the fuel delivery and ratio needs to be predictable & consistently repeatable, your data is jumping around wildly

your getting close and you should have seen a noticeable power and response improvement, as things have changed.
whats your feelings , on your progress at this point ?
 
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I would install a fresh new set of spark plugs Rick before test and tune again.
Over advanced timing present as Grumpy states .
You can add an octane booster also.
 
I changed out the springs today on the distributor. Went from 2 blue springs to to 1
light silver and 1 heavy silver. Below is my new advance curve for my ignition.

I will get some new plugs like Brian suggested. Should I stay with Champion RN12YC
like Brodix suggested as a starting place or change brands or heat range. I've looked
some and it's quite confusing, I didn't find a conversion table with a 1 to 1 equality.
There seemed to be many equivalent for each brand, such as NKG might have 3 possible
plugs for the one Champion.

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It's easy to see the difference in the spring if you know one thing. Two identical springs,
but one has fewer coils will be stiffer. That's why you cannot just cut a coil of a vacuum
advance spring and produce a softer spring. Think of it like this, is it easier to bend a short
rod or a long rod, well there you go you have your answer.

It's 100° F today, so I'm not going to run the test to see the changes, it should cool down in
a couple of day, maybe then ......

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great pictures! (of the springs)
yes that change in the ignition advance, curve , you posted looks very promising,
in this particular application,
backing off the total advance 1-2 degrees may help.
but obviously testing will be required to prove,
its working as intended.
the plugs are obviously running,
just a bit hotter than ideal under full load accelleration.
one step colder plug may help?
 
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Stick with the Champion. RN12 YC spark plugs for now.

Colder spark plugs can help tuning with pump gas but are prone to Fuel fouling from low speed driving.
Work best 3,000-7,000 Rpm constant.
 
Cold spark plugs work nice in stickshift manual trans cars.
Push in the clutch pedal and stab the gas pedal to clean the spark plugs.
Not always possible to put in Neutral. in auto trans cars on the street.
 
Tried to run another test, my hat started to leave my head so just too many things going
on. The test is really only 1st and 2nd gear.... no 3rd. RPM data didn't make any sense so
I excluded it.

On the up side my fuel pressure sensor is back, replaced under warranty. Values were
bouncing between 0 to 100 psi, which is obviously wrong. I called AEM and I tested it
for voltage according to their instructions. It's output was only .31 volts IIRC.

After only softpedeling in 1st, then 2nd was short of redline, the fuel pressure is nearly
zero(.27 psi) at 6.7 seconds. I must be running off of the float bowl volume. The fuel
pressure trend was down from 4.0 seconds until I lifted. Looks like I really need that new
fuel system I purchased a coupleof years ago, so this winter it will be high on my list of
things to do.

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Tried to run another test, my hat started to leave my head so just too many things going
on. The test is really only 1st and 2nd gear.... no 3rd. RPM data didn't make any sense so
I excluded it.

On the up side my fuel pressure sensor is back, replaced under warranty. Values were
bouncing between 0 to 100 psi, which is obviously wrong. I called AEM and I tested it
for voltage according to their instructions. It's output was only .31 volts IIRC.

After only softpedeling in 1st, then 2nd was short of redline, the fuel pressure is nearly
zero(.27 psi) at 6.7 seconds. I must be running off of the float bowl volume. The fuel
pressure trend was down from 4.0 seconds until I lifted. Looks like I really need that new
fuel system I purchased a coupleof years ago, so this winter it will be high on my list of
things to do.

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Uuuhmmmmm....I do recall stating there is a Fuel Pressure / Fuel Delivery Issue.

That's all for tonight.
 
A Fuel Log Fuel Line setup for the Demon Carb be nice Rick.

A Small Reserve supply using a Fuel Log.
I recommend because the T accelerates so hard with its very light weight.
 
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Belt Driven Fuel Pumps for Alcohol and Gas


Alcohol has become a very popular race fuel to use with a Holley® carburetor. The big problem is the fuel supply requirement using alcohol. The fuel requirement is twice the amount needed with gasoline. A 700 HP engine consumes 700 pounds of fuel an hour when operating at full throttle. Simple math tells you that no electric and/or mechanical fuel pump will handle this requirement. The electric and 6 valve mechanical pumps have excessive high idle fuel pressure which can cause flooding and rich conditions at idle and part throttle but they cannot keep up with full throttle fuel demand. The solution to the problem is a fuel pump where the pressure is low (3-5 psi) at idle then increases with engine RPM and the pressure is fully adjustable to your needs.


These pumps have become very popular on Drag Race engines using gasoline as well as alcohol. The fuel pressure
is low when doing a water burn out and staging and does not have the high fuel pressure spike that is common with electric pumps. With an 800 HP engine it takes less than 1 HP to operate this pump. Also, there is no drain on the battery.


At BLP Racing Products we have developed 2 versions of belt driven fuel pumps. One features an internal fuel by-pass system that enables the user to regulate and adjust the fuel pressure without having to use a separate by-pass valve and a return line to the tank. The second version is a fuel pump with no internal regulator and can be used with a BLP 7491 fuel by-pass regulator or the installer can use their own by-pass system.


Doug Learned and his staff at Intercity Manufacturing Incorporated manufacture the pump component parts. BLP then assembles and tests the pumps in-house. The pumps are available in 4 different gear sizes .400”, .500”, 600”, and .700” thick gears. By using different thickness gear wear plates the same body can be used for all 4-size gears. This gives us the option of changing pump volumes by just changing the gears and wear plates.


Features:
• The adjusting arm can be rotated a full 360° without having to disassemble the pump
• Pump can be used with or without a return line
• All billet construction
• Available in 4 volume sizes
• Available for right or left hand mounting
• Can be serviced in the field
• Easily mounted with simple plumbing
• 1 full year warranty including parts and labor


WHICH FUEL PUMP IS BEST?
In our opinion it is always best to use a –8 return line with a belt driven fuel pump. This type fuel return system handles fuel spikes better than an internal by-pass type pump. It also keeps the fuel cooler when using gasoline. However, having said that, BLP builds and sells more adjustable, internal by-pass fuel pumps than we do the return line style fuel pumps. The reason for that is they are simple to plumb and easy to adjust. Used in the right application and maintained properly they are virtually trouble free.


External return Fuel Pumps
Providing that you use the proper return regulator these fuel pumps can be used in any application.


Features:
• They handle fuel spike much better when you back off the throttle. This is very important in circle track racing to prevent fuel from loading up in the corners
• You can have a lower idle pressure and a larger spread between idle and full throttle pressure


NOTE:
• Must use a –8AN return line (cannot use a –6AN)
• Must use a quality and regularly maintained return regulator


Internal By-Pass Fuel Pumps
These fuel pumps by-pass the excess fuel internally to the low-pressure side of the fuel pump. The pressure is adjustable at the fuel pump. No regulators of any kind are required or recommended.


Features:
• Easy to install and does not require a return line
• Easy to adjust and maintain


MUST:
• You cannot use the high volume .700 wide gear pump when internally regulated
• Do not use in circle track application when using gas. It works fine with alcohol in any heat condition, but vapor lock can occur when using gas as a fuel.


The keys to successfully using the internal by-pass fuel pump is to use our recommendation and do the following:
• Size the pump correctly and do not use any larger pump than necessary. Bigger is not better.
• The internal by-pass type pump has to have the fuel inlet line lower than the pump. For example, if you run a modified that has to run the fuel line up high on the chassis then you need to run an external by-pass pump.

Fuel Pump Volumes
The validity of advertised fuel pump volumes is only as accurate as the method used for testing. In other words, a fuel pump will show more volume if it is gravity fed with no outlet restriction than if the pump had to lift the fuel and maintain a constant pressure. This holds especially true with a mechanical fuel pump.
Example: a mechanical pump may pump 108 gallons per hour at 1 pound of pressure but only 60 gallons per hour if it had to maintain 5 pounds of pressure. We test and flow our pumps in a real world environment. To simulate racing conditions we lift the fuel 18”, pump it through a 1/2” line and maintain race condition fuel pressure.


BLP Fuel Pump driven at 50% of Engine Speed with A Fixed Pressure
.400 Thick gear pump
1800 Pump RPM at 50 PSI flows 81 GPH
3500 Pump RPM at 10 PSI flows 98 GPH
4000 Pump RPM at 11 PSI flows 113 GPH


.500 1800 Pump RPM at 50 PSI flows 108 GPH
3500 Pump RPM at 10 PSI flows 120 GPH
4000 Pump RPM at 11 PSI flows 139 GPH


.600 Thick gear pump
1800 Pump RPM at 50 PSI flows 120 GPH
3500 Pump RPM at 10 PSI flows 148 GPH
4000 Pump RPM at 11 PSI flows 170 GPH


.700 Thick gear pump
1800 Pump RPM at 50 PSI flows 138 GPH
3500 Pump RPM at 10 PSI flows 170 GPH
4000 Pump RPM at 11 PSI flows 192 GPH


FUEL PUMP SIZE APPLICATION
We classify our fuel pumps by the gear thickness and we have (4) different gear sizes to choose from. If you compare the BLP fuel pump to a typical fuel injection pump such as a Hilborn or Enderle then use this as a volume comparison.


BLP FUEL PUMP TYPICAL FUEL INJECTION PUMP
.400 wide gear No comparison
.500 wide gear 0 Pump
.600 wide gear ½ Pump
.700 wide gear 1 Pump


A BLP .500 wide gear pump will handle most carburetor fuel volume needs. Installing the correct volume fuel pump is very important. Bigger is not always better and if the pump has to by-pass too much fuel then you will have problems with fuel spike. Contact BLP for the correct fuel pump application.
 
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BLP manufactures high quality race engine parts including engine accessory drive components, racing Holley carburetors, gaskets, belt driven fuel pumps and fuel system components. We carry the largest Holley performance carburetor service parts inventory in the industry. BLP also offers special machining services to our customers. Our confidentiality to our customers is paramount with us.
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Commitment to our customers is exemplified by continued expansion to include increasing both floor space and adding modern CNC machining centers. Our in-house engineering staff and Research and Development department enables BLP to remain a leader in the racing industry.

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When Jimmy Johnson won NASCAR's top points championship with a record setting 4th year running, his car was equipped with a carburetor manufactured by BLP (Bo Laws Performance) Products of Orlando. BLP Products, Inc. has manufactured high quality race engine parts and components for many of the professional race carburetor builders and NASCAR race teams, along with modifying Holley® race carburetors.
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BLP also manufactures special components for Holley® Carburetors, along with designing and developing drive components, belt-driven fuel pumps, piston dome oilers and sheet metal valve covers. Bo Laws Automotive began in 1965 as a two-man automotive general repair shop. By 1970, the small firm grew to five employees successfully tuning and race prepping Corvettes and muscle cars. From 1971 until 1990, the company operated as a combination speed and machine shop, specializing in building high performance products and race engines. BLP Products, Inc was then founded in 1991 and continues to remain one of the top high performance products manufacturers in the racing industry


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"It was an awesome time in American automotive history and I consider myself very fortunate to have experienced those times," comments founder, Bo Laws. "There were very few racing parts available and we had to design and make many of our own parts." Laws was very successful in drag racing in the late '60s and won several NHRA National Events in the Street Eliminator and Pro Stock divisions. This success helped propel the business and in 1983, Laws was inducted into the first Southeast Division NHRA Hall of Fame.

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Today every form of motor racing enjoys a tremendous growth in popularity, increased competition and a higher degree of technical advancement. The performance products manufacturers who support this growth must continue to develop and improve their product to provide a competitive edge.

The Holley® carburetor is the best out of the box carburetor available. Holley® takes pride in the continuation of engineering and research of their fine products. However, these are mass produced units and can be improved and modified for your racing application. This is where BLP Racing Products can help. With our continued practice with intake manifold, cylinder head, and engine development, we are better able to understand the engine requirements and carburetor needs of our customers. Our engine dyno facility was designed to provide accurate data needed for research and development work.

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These key combinations and over 40 years of racing experience gives us the definite advantage when choosing the right fuel system for your application. BLP Carburetors are designed to perform the necessary functions to be competitive in today’s hi-tech racing. Every BLP Carburetor has been selected and modified to provide easy starting, good clean idling, smooth R.P.M. transition and efficient wide-open throttle operation.

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Dry Air Flow testing represents the total amount of air drawn through the carburetor without taking into consideration the amount of air that the fuel being used displaces at a given ratio. This is the most common way of testing and represents the advertised CFM figures that you see Holley® use for their new carburetors as well as carburetor modifiers for their modified carburetors. To be consistent we use this method to flow test our carburetors.

Wet Air Flow testing represents the total amount of air drawn through the carburetor less the amount of air the fuel being used displaces or in simpler terms the net amount of CFM the engine recognizes. To figure wet air flow you need to subtract the amount of air the fuel displaces from the dry air flow CFM number. If you would like to calculate the wet air flow in your application we have furnished you with the following formula:

The following A/F ratios are utilized in calculating rated air flow for different fuel type and applications:

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Dry air flow Less 7.6% 13.1:1 Rated
964 CFM - 74 CFM = 890 CFM

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Brian, maybe you haven't figured it out yet ...... I'm NOT going to buy another
carburetor. I like the one I have and have learned alot by working with it.
 
Brian, maybe you haven't figured it out yet ...... I'm NOT going to buy another
carburetor. I like the one I have and have learned alot by working with it.
Its just Copy and paste Rick.
Don't get all worked up.
I like it that way. Prices are listed.
Going to do Tech like Grumpy does.
Links. Copy and paste.
No Arguments.
Just Read away.
 
yes theres just really no valid reason to change carbs at this point, as youve barely tapped into the tuneing potential of the carb and intake manifold potential so far.
the intake plenum design,runner porting, modifications, and any spacers or turtles have yet to be explored,ported and tested.
if your induction set-up is thought of as including the carb. intake manifold fuel pump, lines, fuel pressure regulator and any associeted modifications,
too just those areas alone,
and totally ignoring the fact that changes to the cam, valve train,rockers,can still be made,
and if you realize changes in exhaust tuneing,can drop you back almost to the point tuneing needs to start over almost from scratch.
If what youve done so far, too the induction system, and fuel delivery systems on a scale of 1-too-100,
were to be logically plotted, out on a graph listing everything you might try, vs what you can still do in testing,
your not even at the low teens in percentages of the combo's potential.
plenum porting and carb spacers, carb heat barriers, mods to the fuel delivery system, and even related ignition system or header collector tuning, alone can easily require weeks of testing



related info
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-related-intake-modification.1038/#post-35124

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/how-big-a-fuel-pump-do-you-need.1939/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/setting-up-your-fuel-system.211/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/octane-boosters.613/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/holley-annular-vs-down-leg-boosters.5229/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...selection-design-for-500-hp-fuel-system.7787/

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/carb-intake-test.58/#post-49548

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/anti-reversion-exhaust-design.789/#post-40231

http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...-guys-that-just-slap-on-factory-headers.3155/
 
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the intake plenum design,runner porting, modifications, and any spacers or turtles have yet to be explored,ported and tested.

The Wilson one inch carb spacer I have is just 4 cylindrical holes with no blending, I
expect there is alot that can be done there.

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and if you realize changes in exhaust tuneing,can drop you back almost to the point tuneing needs to start over almost from scratch.

I was wondering about that, cause I'm planning on replacing the headers. Could be Schoenfeld
or Stainless Works, trying to get some dimensions to see if they will fit.
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YES EVEN FAIRLY EASY TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS CAN MAKE A VERY NOTICEABLE CHANGE
 
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