I've been hunting in several states for over 40 years now, I lived in florida , where we mostly hunt for whitetail deer and hogs, deer here rarely reach 140 lbs, I've got to point out the over all visual reaction has and is changing, 30 years ago IT was RARE to even see an AR style or military semi automatic hunting rifle in the field , in fact I can,t remember seeing an AK, SKS, AR, or FAL,HK, or similar rifles in deer camp back when I first started deer hunting, and in some states restrictions on 22 caliber, or magazine capacity limitation's or semi automatic action restrictions makes the use of that rifle difficult or impossible.
now 39 states allow the 223 rem use on deer.
I moved to TEXAS recently and have not yet looked into the fish & game law's.
no deer will ever know if the bullet came from a bolt action or a semi auto rifle, there's zero difference in the result,
if that shots been placed correctly and all the military calibers can be hand loaded or purchased with expanding bullet ammo designed for hunting use. and there's no deer or hog that can survive a well placed soft point from even a 223 let alone a 7.62/39 or 7.62/51
or 308 or 30/06.
yet over the years I've seen a constant increase in the percentage of hunters carrying.
AK, SKS, AR, or FAL,HK, or similar rifle style or military semi automatic hunting rifles in the field.
any states limit hunting rifles to a 5 shot magazine capacity.
now a great deal of this is in my opinion related to the fact that both,
the type of rifles are now much more popular and the bullet quality they fire and selection has vastly improved.
30-40 years ago if you showed up with an AK, SKS, or AR rifle you were looked at by many as some kind of marginally crazy guy ,
no one wanted to be near you, because the pre-conception, of many hunters who were really , not all that gun, savvy,
was that you were going to be spraying bullets like a fire hose, randomly, through the brush.
but as the firearm type became MUCH more common in the hands of the majority of firearms owners,
I think the realization set in that ,while the military rifles might look ,"... well...,MILITARY"
the function was no different, than the typical semi auto hunting rifles many guys carried,
and most of us owned similar rifles and once the bullets improved the effectiveness of a single well placed shot from those rifles,
did exactly the same thing as the more common lever or pump action rifles had done for decades.
I know many guys brought the rifles to camp just to try them out,
but a few guys found they actually preferred them for hunting,
and as acceptance, and AS the percentage of hunters owning similar rifles grew, the stigma,
that you had to be a "NUT CASE" was greatly reduced, until its now fairly common to see those rifles..
especially the SKS with a 5 round capacity magazine installed here in Florida.
I know that 30-40 years ago I would not be all that comfortable with some guy carrying a AR 15 style rifle on a deer hunt,
but during the last decade or so its become common enough that I doubt many people give it a second thought.
I also know from experience that the common 55 grain soft point hunting ammo of several decades ago is VASTLY inferior to the current 62-80 grain bullets available in .223 caliber rifles and there are now 5 round capacity mags available for most military rifle look alike clones making them useful hunting tools that are legal in most areas.
If you think about it ,there's a historical parallel, lever and pump actions were partly phased out slowly, at least to some degree,
after the first world war, as bolt actions became the primary military rifle style and now as the self loading military style rifles have become standard over the last 60-70 years they have started to be rather common, in the hunting fields also,
maybe not yet the preferred style in all areas of the hunting fields, but much MUCH more common.
while the 223 rem can be fired in most 5.56 mm rifles the chambers are not identical nor the pressure levels ,
so firing the higher pressure 5.56 mm ammo in a 223 rem is not always a good idea
there are several bullets designed for use on varmints in 22 caliber 223 chambered rifles with very thin jackets ,
that are far too fragile to use for the best effect on deer.
there are also several 62-77 grain bullets specifically designed to use a 223 cartridge on deer size game
remember the bullet(projectile) does ALL the work, nosler, barnes and several other brands have bullets designed for deer hunting.
as always precise shot placements critical to getting good results
use a rifle chambered in 308 win or 7.62/51mm like an M1a1and a decent quality 165-180 grain bullet and any deer or elk within reasonable range should be easily taken by a good marksman.
will a 223rem work? without any doubt, in the hands of a good shot it will... but a 308 win chambered rifle still maintains some advantages on deer size game.
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now 39 states allow the 223 rem use on deer.
I moved to TEXAS recently and have not yet looked into the fish & game law's.
no deer will ever know if the bullet came from a bolt action or a semi auto rifle, there's zero difference in the result,
if that shots been placed correctly and all the military calibers can be hand loaded or purchased with expanding bullet ammo designed for hunting use. and there's no deer or hog that can survive a well placed soft point from even a 223 let alone a 7.62/39 or 7.62/51
or 308 or 30/06.
yet over the years I've seen a constant increase in the percentage of hunters carrying.
AK, SKS, AR, or FAL,HK, or similar rifle style or military semi automatic hunting rifles in the field.
any states limit hunting rifles to a 5 shot magazine capacity.
now a great deal of this is in my opinion related to the fact that both,
the type of rifles are now much more popular and the bullet quality they fire and selection has vastly improved.
30-40 years ago if you showed up with an AK, SKS, or AR rifle you were looked at by many as some kind of marginally crazy guy ,
no one wanted to be near you, because the pre-conception, of many hunters who were really , not all that gun, savvy,
was that you were going to be spraying bullets like a fire hose, randomly, through the brush.
but as the firearm type became MUCH more common in the hands of the majority of firearms owners,
I think the realization set in that ,while the military rifles might look ,"... well...,MILITARY"
the function was no different, than the typical semi auto hunting rifles many guys carried,
and most of us owned similar rifles and once the bullets improved the effectiveness of a single well placed shot from those rifles,
did exactly the same thing as the more common lever or pump action rifles had done for decades.
I know many guys brought the rifles to camp just to try them out,
but a few guys found they actually preferred them for hunting,
and as acceptance, and AS the percentage of hunters owning similar rifles grew, the stigma,
that you had to be a "NUT CASE" was greatly reduced, until its now fairly common to see those rifles..
especially the SKS with a 5 round capacity magazine installed here in Florida.
I know that 30-40 years ago I would not be all that comfortable with some guy carrying a AR 15 style rifle on a deer hunt,
but during the last decade or so its become common enough that I doubt many people give it a second thought.
I also know from experience that the common 55 grain soft point hunting ammo of several decades ago is VASTLY inferior to the current 62-80 grain bullets available in .223 caliber rifles and there are now 5 round capacity mags available for most military rifle look alike clones making them useful hunting tools that are legal in most areas.
If you think about it ,there's a historical parallel, lever and pump actions were partly phased out slowly, at least to some degree,
after the first world war, as bolt actions became the primary military rifle style and now as the self loading military style rifles have become standard over the last 60-70 years they have started to be rather common, in the hunting fields also,
maybe not yet the preferred style in all areas of the hunting fields, but much MUCH more common.
while the 223 rem can be fired in most 5.56 mm rifles the chambers are not identical nor the pressure levels ,
so firing the higher pressure 5.56 mm ammo in a 223 rem is not always a good idea
there are several bullets designed for use on varmints in 22 caliber 223 chambered rifles with very thin jackets ,
that are far too fragile to use for the best effect on deer.
there are also several 62-77 grain bullets specifically designed to use a 223 cartridge on deer size game
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use a rifle chambered in 308 win or 7.62/51mm like an M1a1and a decent quality 165-180 grain bullet and any deer or elk within reasonable range should be easily taken by a good marksman.
will a 223rem work? without any doubt, in the hands of a good shot it will... but a 308 win chambered rifle still maintains some advantages on deer size game.
http://dpms-gii.com/full.html
http://www.onlylongrange.com/bn36.asp
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