what shotgun model and gauge do you hunt deer with?

Discussion in 'shotgun related' started by grumpyvette, Jan 18, 2011.

  1. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    I've used at least a dozen different shot guns in areas requiring shotgun only hunting,
    and I've had mixed results, now if you've ever been limited too using a scatter gun on deer you know buckshot looses most of its effectiveness past about 35 yards and slugs need to be used past that short range.

    I started with a mossberg 500 pump
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500

    which at least in my case , repeatedly had small parts break, it broke the safety button,several times, and had numerous other problems,
    (I gave that one away for FREE to a friend)
    Id AVOID buying or using THAT SHOTGUN

    if you step back mentally and analyze, what your trying to accomplish and under what conditions your trying to do so it helps.
    In my opinion buckshot limits your range too much too be a valid and useful ammo, choice, for deer hunting.
    double 00 buck shot's potentially devastating at under 30-35 yards, but both energy and ever increasing projectile spread causes lethality too rapidly drop off past that distance.
    an accurate slug gun with a rifled barrel can more than triple a shotguns effective reach over the best buckshot loading's.

    THIS SAVAGE IS AN EXCELLENT and reliable and accurate SHOT GUN
    these bolt action shotguns have rifled bore designed to stabilize slugs
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    http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

    http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/212

    http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_slug_gun.htm

    if your restricted to shotgun only areas , your not in as bad shapes as you might at first think!
    these rifled slug guns do a really good job on deer out to about 140 yards,
    (in experienced and practiced hands, and assuming good ammo)






    my late uncle, used his savage slug gun to kill several large black bears,
    and while the average range was under 75 yards he stated it slammed them so hard they rarely did more than spin, fall and twitch


    http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm

    http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... 0152654112

    https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....y-shotgun-mould-sabot-slug-12-gauge-525-grain

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...g-bullet-mold-12-gauge-681-diameter-525-grain
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    keep in mind these slugs are loaded inside a plastic shot-cup,
    that compresses and grips the slug, and rifling, in the shotguns bore,
    (if its a rifled bore designed for slugs)
    as its forced down the bore, the slug itself never touches the shotgun bores rifling , which acts as a sabot thats discarded as it leaves the bore.
    you can buy a mold and cast your own at a considerable cost savings if you reload.

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    This is load data for the 525 Gr. Lyman Sabot Slug. Its tough to format for the forum but the list reads of follows.

    Powder Charge Primer Wad Velocity Pressure

    Federal Gold Medal

    Univ. Clays 36.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1503 10,100
    WSF 34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 11,300
    Herco 32.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1389 11,100
    SR 4756 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1585 10,500
    800X 31.5 Fed 209AWAA12 1459 10,700
    Blue Dot 46.5 Win 209 WAA12R 1544 9,900
    571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1429 10,700

    Federal Plastic Hunting

    Univ. Clays 35.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1442 9,300
    34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1421 9,200
    Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1297 9,100
    SR 4756 40.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1439 8,300
    800X 30.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1403 9,800
    Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1408 7,300
    571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1405 9,900

    Fiocchi Plastic

    Univ. Clays 34.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1478 10,100
    WSF 31.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1383 10,000
    SR 4756 37.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1396 8,700
    N3SH 36.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1486 9,700
    Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1476 8,800

    Remington RTL (Premier)

    Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1386 10,800
    Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1269 11,100
    Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12 1249 11,300
    SR 4756 34.0 Rem 209PWAA12R 1448 11,100
    SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1462 10,900
    Blue Dot 41.0 Rem 209PWAA12F114 1475 11,000
    Blue Dot 43.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1501 11,200

    Remington Unibody SP

    Univ. Clays 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1416 9,900
    WSF 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1434 11,400
    Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12 1336 10,600
    SR 4756 37.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1468 10,200
    800X 31.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1440 10,700
    Blue Dot 45.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 9,300
    Blue Dot 46.0 Win 209 Fed 12S4 1532 10,600

    Winchester AA

    Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1358 9,700
    Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1271 11,100
    Unique 22.5 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1231 10,500
    WSF 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1393 11,000
    WSF 28.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1332 10,500
    Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1273 10,900
    SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1378 8,800
    N3SH 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1372 10,100
    Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1474 9,200

    I swapped to an Ithaca pump 12 ga and had that work really well for close in brush hunts , WITH BUCKSHOT BUT WAS NOT GOOD WITH SLUGS SO IT LIMITED THE RANGE IT WAS EFFECTIVE TO ABOUT 35 YARDS
    but it was not until I swapped to a H&K super 90
    http://remtek.com/arms/hk/civ/benelli/m1s90.htm

    that I found a really effective semi auto shot gun, that thru both buckshot and slugs reasonably well, but I eventually bought a SAVAGE bolt action with a rifled barrel, designed for slugs, (useless for buck shot)
    http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_slug_gun.htm
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    I can recommend the savage 12 ga model 210, its what Ive found to be a very accurate slug gun with a decent 4x scope,
    try to find one in 12 ga even if its used but in good condition, a sabot slug can be very effective in these guns. in 12 ga., but the standard foster slugs don,t tend to be all that accurate in my experience


    with a rifled barrel that shot slugs accurately to over 100 yards, once Id sighted in a good 2.5x leopold scope, I felt really well armed.

    what have YOU used?
     
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  2. grumpyvette

    grumpyvette Administrator Staff Member

    I have a 12 ga H&K riot gun, and a remington, riot gun, that can fire off all the magazine load of shells in rapid succession, its also darn effective at about 20-35 yards with federal 2 3/4" 00 buck, which Ive found to be the best load.
    but they are clearly becoming useless much past 35-40 yards. Ive used them for several decades , but IM also really well aware of its limitations. before you go out expecting your shot gun to be effective Id ask you do an easy test, cut out a life size deer or hog silhouette and staple it on a full 4ft x8ft sheet of 3/4" plywood, lean it against a old stump or fence and mark off the range at 10 yard intervals out to about 80 yards then fire a load of buckshot from each 10 yard interval as you move closer, but mark the impact points before you shot from the previous shot before each shot, if buck shot fails to penetrate thru 3/4" plywood, its unlikely to do so on deer, or hog so your past the range your consistently reaching the vitals, if you can,t place at least 3-5 buckshot,pellets in the deer or hogs vitals, your past the range it will prove to be deadly and your very likely to have deer or hog run off and die later, random body hits are not what your after its consistent multiple hits in the lung, neck and heart that will prove to be mortal hits.
    yes you might occasionally drop a deer or hog at extreme ranges with a lucky hit, but your far more likely to wound.
    I think your going to have a different view on the guns effective range if you do the test, its damn effective at across the room ranges, but losses power with range rapidly.
    this is the reason I tend to use SLUGS on most deer and hog hunts with shotguns,
    a smooth bore shotgun that shoots slugs consistently, easily extends the range 2-3 times or more,
    a slug gun with a rifled bore and the correct matched sabot slogs adds,
    an additional 50-70 yards,
    but of course buck shot become useless in a rifled bore
     
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  3. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

    notice that even a shotgun slug at close range is not instantly fatal
    but a slug is far better than buckshot, and just like when you use a rifle,
    precise shot placement and a good knowledge of the games anatomy,
    is critical to producing quick results
    btw I've owned several mossberg pump 12 ga shotguns over the years, in my experience,
    Id suggest you avoid them,
    as every one, I've ever owned, eventually had reliability issues.
    H&K, BENELLI , Ithaca winchester, and remington ,
    all make dependable semi auto and pump 12 ga shotguns








     
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  4. T-Test

    T-Test Well-Known Member

    I still have a Ted Williams 12 gauge auto I bought in 1976 from Sears for $79.00. Made by Winchester and has killed hundreds of deer using OO buck shot out to about 50 yards, max.
    Still rather hunt with black powder, or compound bow.
     
  5. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member







    I'm sure its just me, but,
    I found it a bit irritating that this guy never bothered,
    too adjust his shotgun sights to place the guns ,
    shotgun slug, group, impact center over the target.
    with the load he was testing,
    this could have been done in seconds with a screw driver.
    maybe he has it sighted in for a different brand of slug.

    if you find one of these in old stock or in a pawn shop you can frequently get a deal on the price, and most will have seen little use.
    http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/212

    just as a reference
    many smooth bore slug guns with a rifle scope will keep a 6"-9" 100 yard group off a good bench rest
    many rifled bore slug guns with a rifle scope will keep a 2"-4" 100 yard group off a good bench rest
    both are easily capable of killing deer at typical 50-80 yard ranges
    but a good rifled bore slug gun with a rifle scope can keep 4"-5" 200 yard groups off a good bench rest
     
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  6. Grumpy

    Grumpy The Grumpy Grease Monkey Staff Member

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