I've used at least a dozen different shot guns in areas requiring shotgun only hunting, and I've had mixed results, now if you've ever been limited too using a scatter gun on deer you know buckshot looses most of its effectiveness past about 35 yards and slugs need to be used past that short range. I started with a mossberg 500 pump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500 which at least in my case , repeatedly had small parts break, it broke the safety button,several times, and had numerous other problems, (I gave that one away for FREE to a friend) Id AVOID buying or using THAT SHOTGUN if you step back mentally and analyze, what your trying to accomplish and under what conditions your trying to do so it helps. In my opinion buckshot limits your range too much too be a valid and useful ammo, choice, for deer hunting. double 00 buck shot's potentially devastating at under 30-35 yards, but both energy and ever increasing projectile spread causes lethality too rapidly drop off past that distance. an accurate slug gun with a rifled barrel can more than triple a shotguns effective reach over the best buckshot loading's. THIS SAVAGE IS AN EXCELLENT and reliable and accurate SHOT GUN these bolt action shotguns have rifled bore designed to stabilize slugs I think thats the reason (LOWER RECOIL) that I've heard,most people select the 20 ga I own the 12 ga version, and most of my friends have purchased the 12 ga version, but from what I've read the 20 ga seems to be more popular if you hand-load the lyman slugs seem to work rather well, if you select the loads that provide the higher velocitys,, loads that push the velocity up as they stabilize the 20 ga version best at the faster velocity levels in several of my friends experience https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...g-bullet-mold-20-gauge-576-diameter-350-grain btw 12 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .729 inches. 16 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .662 inches. 20 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .615 inches. 28 Gauge = Bore Diameter of .550 inches. if you notice the 58 caliber mini ball mold cast projectile, has the correct diameter to be loaded in a 20 ga plastic shot cup in a 20 ga too effectively work as a slug https://www.midwayusa.com/product/5...3-58-caliber-575-diameter-510-grain-new-style this does not seem to be an issue with the 12 ga version,keep in mind these slugs are loaded inside a plastic shot-cup, that compresses and grips the slug, and rifling, in the shotguns bore, (if its a rifled bore designed for slugs) as its forced down the bore, the slug itself never touches the shotgun bores rifling , which acts as a sabot thats discarded as it leaves the bore. you can buy a mold and cast your own at a considerable cost savings if you reload. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...g-bullet-mold-12-gauge-681-diameter-525-grain http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/ http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/212 http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_slug_gun.htm if your restricted to shotgun only areas , your not in as bad shapes as you might at first think! these rifled slug guns do a really good job on deer out to about 140 yards, (in experienced and practiced hands, and assuming good ammo) my late uncle, used his savage slug gun to kill several large black bears, and while the average range was under 75 yards he stated it slammed them so hard they rarely did more than spin, fall and twitch http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/i ... 0152654112 https://www.midsouthshooterssupply....y-shotgun-mould-sabot-slug-12-gauge-525-grain https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...g-bullet-mold-12-gauge-681-diameter-525-grain keep in mind these slugs are loaded inside a plastic shot-cup, that compresses and grips the slug, and rifling, in the shotguns bore, (if its a rifled bore designed for slugs) as its forced down the bore, the slug itself never touches the shotgun bores rifling , which acts as a sabot thats discarded as it leaves the bore. you can buy a mold and cast your own at a considerable cost savings if you reload. This is load data for the 525 Gr. Lyman Sabot Slug. Its tough to format for the forum but the list reads of follows. Powder Charge Primer Wad Velocity Pressure Federal Gold Medal Univ. Clays 36.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1503 10,100 WSF 34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 11,300 Herco 32.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1389 11,100 SR 4756 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1585 10,500 800X 31.5 Fed 209AWAA12 1459 10,700 Blue Dot 46.5 Win 209 WAA12R 1544 9,900 571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1429 10,700 Federal Plastic Hunting Univ. Clays 35.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1442 9,300 34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1421 9,200 Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1297 9,100 SR 4756 40.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1439 8,300 800X 30.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1403 9,800 Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1408 7,300 571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1405 9,900 Fiocchi Plastic Univ. Clays 34.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1478 10,100 WSF 31.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1383 10,000 SR 4756 37.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1396 8,700 N3SH 36.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1486 9,700 Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1476 8,800 Remington RTL (Premier) Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1386 10,800 Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1269 11,100 Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12 1249 11,300 SR 4756 34.0 Rem 209PWAA12R 1448 11,100 SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1462 10,900 Blue Dot 41.0 Rem 209PWAA12F114 1475 11,000 Blue Dot 43.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1501 11,200 Remington Unibody SP Univ. Clays 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1416 9,900 WSF 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1434 11,400 Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12 1336 10,600 SR 4756 37.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1468 10,200 800X 31.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1440 10,700 Blue Dot 45.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 9,300 Blue Dot 46.0 Win 209 Fed 12S4 1532 10,600 Winchester AA Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1358 9,700 Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1271 11,100 Unique 22.5 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1231 10,500 WSF 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1393 11,000 WSF 28.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1332 10,500 Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1273 10,900 SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1378 8,800 N3SH 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1372 10,100 Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1474 9,200 I swapped to an Ithaca pump 12 ga and had that work really well for close in brush hunts , WITH BUCKSHOT BUT WAS NOT GOOD WITH SLUGS SO IT LIMITED THE RANGE IT WAS EFFECTIVE TO ABOUT 35 YARDS but it was not until I swapped to a H&K super 90 http://remtek.com/arms/hk/civ/benelli/m1s90.htm that I found a really effective semi auto shot gun, that thru both buckshot and slugs reasonably well, but I eventually bought a SAVAGE bolt action with a rifled barrel, designed for slugs, (useless for buck shot) http://www.chuckhawks.com/savage_slug_gun.htm I can recommend the savage 12 ga model 210, its what Ive found to be a very accurate slug gun with a decent 4x scope, try to find one in 12 ga even if its used but in good condition, a sabot slug can be very effective in these guns. in 12 ga., but the standard foster slugs don,t tend to be all that accurate in my experience with a rifled barrel that shot slugs accurately to over 100 yards, once Id sighted in a good 2.5x leopold scope, I felt really well armed. what have YOU used?