BBC Gen VI no oil pressure

I have just completed building a gen-6 502 Big Block. I put oil in the pan and when priming the gauge barely moves to 10 psi. This is a brand new bare block, brand new rotating assembly, everything is new. I removed the oil bypass under the filter nipple, as I'm not running an oil cooler. I do have the other filter bypass in the adjacent location. It is a brand new Wix oil filter. All 3 oil galley screw in Allen plugs are in place at front and rear of motor. The o-ring is in place under the rear main cap. It has a Morroso pan, with a Morroso high volume oil pump. The pump pick up is welded in place, and has approximately 1/2" clearance between pickup screen and oil pan.
I have virtually no oil pressure on the gauge while priming with the electric drill. I have attached the gauge to the top back of the block pressure location as well as the side of the block above the oil filter location, and see little to no pressure at either location.
Is there a plug that I missed? This is a brand new bare block... is there any sort of plug that should be installed under the rear main cap on a gen-6 big-block that would create a loss of oil pressure if not installed??
 
pressure is a measure of RESISTANCE to oil flow, if the pumps providing flow and yes that needs to be verified,
( because if the oil pump pick-up is less than a 1/4" off the oil pan floor flow is potentially restricted)
if your getting oil flow from the oil pump and no back pressure Id suggest checking the flow control valves, bearing clearances and oil passage plugs at the ends of the lifter gallery passages, any major open to flow oil passage results in very low oil pressure readings
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ark-v-bbc-engine-oil-system-differences.4576/

https://www.chevydiy.com/oil-lubrication-systems-guide-big-block-chevy-engines/
https://paceperformance.com/i-51345...ich-adapter-for-external-oil-cooler-only.html

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/basic-info-on-your-v8-lube-system.52/

high volume oil pumps use is far more beneficial than high peak pressure in oil pumps,
remember peak pressure only happens at higher rpms and tests show,
no benefits in long term engine durability,
if peak oil pressure exceeds 65 psi or higher.

read links and sub links




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when clearances allow longer length, quality oil filters provide significantly larger surface area, this tends to both reduce pressure drop,
and increase the useful filtration time before the filter tends to partially clog due to trapped debris,
yes they still require frequent replacement but they tend to do a better job, over the same time frame
Big Block Chevrolet Gen V and Gen VI Oiling SystemSolving the mystery of the Gen V and Gen VI Priority Main Oiling system
Priority Main Oiling System
The Generation V and VI big block Chevrolet blocks feature a priority main oiling system where the main oil supply passage is located adjacent to the camshaft tunnel. Drilled passages which intersect this large oil tunnel carry oil directly to the main bearings. If you are facing the front of the block with the engine in the upright position, this main oil supply tunnel is located in the 2 o’clock position just below the right hand lifter oil supply line.

Oil Cooler Plumbing
Located along the oil pan rail just ahead of the oil filter pad are two drilled and tapped (3/8” NPT) oil passages for routing oil to an external oil cooler. The hole located closest to the oil filter pad (#2) is for the outgoing supply line to the oil cooler. The front passage (#1), which is farthest from the filter pad, is the return line from the oil cooler.

Careful examination reveals that these two passages intersect the same return line that feeds oil back to the main oil tunnel. This requires that a special fitting be used in the #2 supply line to prevent oil from short circuiting the oil cooler.

Part number SD1540 provides the necessary diverter basket to prevent the supply oil from entering the return line before going to the oil cooler. This fitting has a dash 10AN thread to allow the use of aftermarket components to plumb your external oil cooler. The front passage #1 will require a 3/8” NPT by dash 10AN adapter (#FCM2185), which is available from Scoggin-Dickey.

Understanding By-pass Valve Locations
Factory assembled 454, 502 engines and short blocks have two by-pass valves installed in the block. These factory installed by-pass valves (#25013759) will open at an 11 psi pressure differential. One by-pass valve is installed in the center hole on the oil filter pad (#4). This hole is the oil return passage from the oil filter. The second by-pass valve is installed in the adjacent hole (#3). The egg shaped hole (#5) is the high pressure oil supply passage from the oil pump.

For all racing application that will NOT use an oil cooler but will maintain the stock oil filter location, you must remove the center by-pass valve in location #4. Removing this valve eliminates three redundant right runs in the oil system. However, if you leave this by-pass in place the oil system will still function as it was intended, but a loss of oil pressure can result from the four right angle turns required for oil to return to the main oil tunnel.

If you intend to use a remote oil filter, a high pressure by-pass valve part number 25161284 must be installed in position #3. This valve will open at a 30 psi pressure differential. A plug will be installed in position #4 to prevent oil flow thru this passage. Oil should be returned to the block in the 3/8” hole located just able the oil filter pad. An oil filter block off plate kit (#SD3891) can be purchased from Scoggin-Dickey for Gen V and VI blocks to plumb your external oil filter.

If you intend to maintain the stock filter location and will use the factory provided oil cooler passages to install your oil cooler, then you must install two high pressure by-pass valves (#25161284). One will be installed in location #3 and the second in location #4.
 
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pressure is a measure of RESISTANCE to oil flow, if the pumps providing flow and yes that needs to be verified,
( because if the oil pump pick-up is less than a 1/4" off the oil pan floor flow is potentially restricted)
if your getting oil flow from the oil pump and no back pressure Id suggest checking the flow control valves, bearing clearances and oil passage plugs at the ends of the lifter gallery passages, any major open to flow oil passage results in very low oil pressure readings
http://garage.grumpysperformance.co...ark-v-bbc-engine-oil-system-differences.4576/
galleryplugs.jpg

https://www.chevydiy.com/oil-lubrication-systems-guide-big-block-chevy-engines/
https://paceperformance.com/i-51345...ich-adapter-for-external-oil-cooler-only.html

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Big Block Chevrolet Gen V and Gen VI Oiling SystemSolving the mystery of the Gen V and Gen VI Priority Main Oiling system
Priority Main Oiling System
The Generation V and VI big block Chevrolet blocks feature a priority main oiling system where the main oil supply passage is located adjacent to the camshaft tunnel. Drilled passages which intersect this large oil tunnel carry oil directly to the main bearings. If you are facing the front of the block with the engine in the upright position, this main oil supply tunnel is located in the 2 o’clock position just below the right hand lifter oil supply line.

Oil Cooler Plumbing
Located along the oil pan rail just ahead of the oil filter pad are two drilled and tapped (3/8” NPT) oil passages for routing oil to an external oil cooler. The hole located closest to the oil filter pad (#2) is for the outgoing supply line to the oil cooler. The front passage (#1), which is farthest from the filter pad, is the return line from the oil cooler.

Careful examination reveals that these two passages intersect the same return line that feeds oil back to the main oil tunnel. This requires that a special fitting be used in the #2 supply line to prevent oil from short circuiting the oil cooler.

Part number SD1540 provides the necessary diverter basket to prevent the supply oil from entering the return line before going to the oil cooler. This fitting has a dash 10AN thread to allow the use of aftermarket components to plumb your external oil cooler. The front passage #1 will require a 3/8” NPT by dash 10AN adapter (#FCM2185), which is available from Scoggin-Dickey.

Understanding By-pass Valve Locations
Factory assembled 454, 502 engines and short blocks have two by-pass valves installed in the block. These factory installed by-pass valves (#25013759) will open at an 11 psi pressure differential. One by-pass valve is installed in the center hole on the oil filter pad (#4). This hole is the oil return passage from the oil filter. The second by-pass valve is installed in the adjacent hole (#3). The egg shaped hole (#5) is the high pressure oil supply passage from the oil pump.

For all racing application that will NOT use an oil cooler but will maintain the stock oil filter location, you must remove the center by-pass valve in location #4. Removing this valve eliminates three redundant right runs in the oil system. However, if you leave this by-pass in place the oil system will still function as it was intended, but a loss of oil pressure can result from the four right angle turns required for oil to return to the main oil tunnel.

If you intend to use a remote oil filter, a high pressure by-pass valve part number 25161284 must be installed in position #3. This valve will open at a 30 psi pressure differential. A plug will be installed in position #4 to prevent oil flow thru this passage. Oil should be returned to the block in the 3/8” hole located just able the oil filter pad. An oil filter block off plate kit (#SD3891) can be purchased from Scoggin-Dickey for Gen V and VI blocks to plumb your external oil filter.

If you intend to maintain the stock filter location and will use the factory provided oil cooler passages to install your oil cooler, then you must install two high pressure by-pass valves (#25161284). One will be installed in location #3 and the second in location #4.
Thank you for your reply. I've been studying your diagrams, and believe clearances are good, all galley plugs are in place, and oil pickup is 1/2 - 5/8" from floor of pan. The only thing left is to check cam bearing oil holes, but shouldn't I see pressure regardless?
I do have oil flow, however it is with very little
pressure. That's why I was wondering about any missing plug under the rear main cap in the block? I think the small blocks have such a plug, but I'm unsure about the Gen VI bbc
 
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I think your referring to the small plug that routes oil through the oil filter, even if its missing the pressure will be at least 10-15 psi, , the oil just bye-passes the filter
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failure to use the correct oil pump,mounting stud, bolt or nut or carefully check clearances when mounting an oil pump can cause problems using a MARK IV BBC oil pump on a MARK VI BBC won,t generally work, unless mods to get the correct fit are done
 
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Todd, what are you using for a preluber shaft?
You need the type that replicates the distributor shaft and lower body, not just a shaft to spin the oil pump.
The lower portion of the distributor's shaft runs through the passenger side lifter gallery. Without it, that gallery is wide open.
Also use a 1/2" drill motor or air powered. A 3/8" drill motor will burn out quicker than you think it could.

Sometimes it takes a while to prime a new engine. Rotate the crank at least 2 revolutions while prelubing.
And you're good to go ONLY when you see oil at EVERY rocker arm!
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good point , thanks I forgot to point that out!
 
That is the exact priming tool I'm using. I found the issue... this was a brand new GenVI 502 bare block, and I missed pipe plugs in the lifter valley under the intake manifold. I knew about the back of the block, and behind the timing chain, but there are also (3) 1/8" plugs in the lifter area.
Once I installed these, oil pressure came up to 50 psi

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yeah, those plugs being in place are so obvious I forgot to point them out, thanks for posting the picture
 
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